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Stupid, Stupid NRA Endorses Dem Governor In Ohio And Loses
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 11/03/2010 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 11/03/2010 6:08:20 AM PDT by joeclarke

I have been hearing a lot of talk in the past couple of years by gun owners - like members of Gun Owners Of America and Ohioans For Concealed Carry, and even NRA people that, possibly, the National Rifle Associations was getting a bit too big for its holster, ie. the NRA has become a PAC of bureaucrats who are more becoming like what the AARP is to oldsters - losing its mind.

The NRA endorsed the Democrat incumbent Governor Ted Strickland over a more conservative John Kasich who in years past did not have the best record on Second Ammendment issues. Even though Kasich turned around on his understanding of the Right To Bear Arms Ammendment in the Bill of Rights, the NRA inexplicably spent a whole lot of gun owner money on last minute commercials which nearly deep sixed John Kasich.

I cannot believe that NRA members are that much of a one-issue group, but the staff and honchos at the NRA have been attempting to portray the rank and file rifle owner as some dumb dunce who would rather vote for a Democrat who promoted a member of Handgun Control Inc. (Lee Fisher, Strickland's Lieutenant Governor) and a defiantly anti gun Yvette McGee Brown, Strickland's running mate for governor. Kasich won, anyway, and the NRA has gunpowder on its face.

Late in his campaign for reelection as governor, Ted Strickland got a lot of publicity for taking a sudden interest in taking shooting lessons - with his wife. I do want to thank the Governor for his endorsing the Castle Doctrine in our great state of Ohio, but how could we have supported a man who has such close political and media friends (mostly liberal Democrats) who are so anti Second Ammendment?

Did Strickland promise the NRA something we don't know about?


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2ndammendment; democrats; elections; nra

1 posted on 11/03/2010 6:08:26 AM PDT by joeclarke
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To: joeclarke

They also supported Reid


2 posted on 11/03/2010 6:10:05 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: joeclarke

THe Reid-lovin’ NRA SUCKS.


3 posted on 11/03/2010 6:10:17 AM PDT by Obadiah (BHO -- out the door in 4!)
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To: joeclarke

Nice blog trolling there...


4 posted on 11/03/2010 6:12:43 AM PDT by upstanding
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To: joeclarke

NRA infiltrated by ‘progressives’? Looks that way to me.
I’m glad that Kasich won. He has the experience to deal with budget deficits. He just walked into a $8B buzzsaw.


5 posted on 11/03/2010 6:15:36 AM PDT by griswold3 (Nov 2 is not just an election, it's a restraining order)
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To: joeclarke

I have mixed feelings about this. I like to jump all over organizations like NOW and the NAACP because of their obvious liberal slant. NOW only supports democratic women and the NAACP is coined the NAALCP. So, if the NRA sticks to its mission and supports those they deem the most 2nd Amendment friendly candidates, regardless of the letter after the candidate’s name, isn’t that showing a little integrity?


6 posted on 11/03/2010 6:16:32 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: joeclarke

It’s not surprising a single issue organization would endorse someone who supports their single issue.


7 posted on 11/03/2010 6:16:55 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (Why protest fur and not leather? Ever try to hassle a motorcycle gang?)
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To: joeclarke

The NRA sucks; has for many years. They are nothing but a fund-raising machine. The NRA has sold out gun owners time after time, just to keep the battle going so they can raise more money. F’em.


8 posted on 11/03/2010 6:17:48 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: joeclarke; TSgt
Thanks for posting. This is EXACTLY right! The radio ads purported to be the NRA and how Strickland (there is no other Governor in the nation more linked-at-the-hip with 0bama) was their great and dear friend. It was sickening and it did make this race much closer than it should have been.

Don't fall for this lame desperate Dem ploy. Kasich gets it. He's got his hands full with the Ohio economy. He will fully support the 2nd Amendment if it ever even comes up.

9 posted on 11/03/2010 6:18:30 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (I'm with Jim DeMint ... on the fringe baby!)
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To: joeclarke

Like the GOP, a formerly useful organization on the way out.


10 posted on 11/03/2010 6:19:08 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: joeclarke

The NRA is a 2nd Ammendment organization.

A Candidate who likes to BBQ babies, torture small animals, sell drugs to teenagers, allow felons to vote, burn churches and murder old people is perfectly fine.

As long as the NRA’s blinders are completely in place - all they care about is how a candidate supports the 2nd Ammendment.

They cannot see the forest, for the trees.


11 posted on 11/03/2010 6:24:53 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

It’s not surprising a single issue organization would endorse someone who supports their single issue.

I don’t think the NRA’s one issue is 2nd Ammendment or Guns - its themselves.

The Sierra Club was a “conservative” outfit at one time.


12 posted on 11/03/2010 6:27:52 AM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: upstanding

Nice blog trolling there...

Looks like you’re blog trolling the blog trollers.
Well done.


13 posted on 11/03/2010 6:28:47 AM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: joeclarke

The NRA has completely lost this gun owner.


14 posted on 11/03/2010 6:31:30 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: Howie66

Same here. (They keep sending me stuff, but the divorce is final)


15 posted on 11/03/2010 6:36:02 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Howie66

Me too. After being an NRA member for years I will not be renewing my membership. I have joined Gun Owners of America to continue the Second Amendment battle.


16 posted on 11/03/2010 6:37:02 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: AD from SpringBay

Unfortunately they dont always.

Years ago when I was politcally active, I hosted pro 2A rallies on the steps of the State Capitol, did a cable access tv show that was pro 2A etc.... When I ran for office as a libertarian the NRA supported the GOP guy who was not a member (I was) and who had never even fired a gun in his life.

And this was in a district that is severely left. The GOP has no chance here, but a libertarian or a pro gun democrat could win here.

I was supported by a some other great 2A groups though.

Not trying to start a flame war...just fyi


17 posted on 11/03/2010 6:47:19 AM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: From The Deer Stand

I took my NRA renewal money and sent it to Sharron Angle with a note explaining where the money was coming from. Then I joined GOA.


18 posted on 11/03/2010 7:01:15 AM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: upstanding
Nice blog trolling there...

That's why he put it in the "Blogs" section.

Duh.

And he's absolutely right. The NRA needs to reap the whirlwind. That organisation alone is probably responsible for stealing several victories from conservative Republicans last night, and certainly endangered several more. In doing so, they gave aid and comfort to the anti-gun Democrat agenda, regardless of what individual Democrats may do with the issue.

19 posted on 11/03/2010 7:12:56 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (is a Jim DeMint Republican. You might say he's a funDeMintalist conservative.)
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To: joeclarke
Joe, Ohioans for Concealed Carry PAC, and The Buckeye Firearms Association also endorsed Strickland.

Strickland is truly a pro-gun Democrat with a sound voting record to prove it. On gun rights he was unquestionably a big improvement over Taft, his Republican predecessor.

Strickland deserved both of their endorsements. They are gun rights organizations, and on that single issue, Strickland has proved himself to be the better candidate.

I'm however, not a single issue voter and I'm glad Strickland lost. I'm however also glad that those three gun rights organizations aren't hypocrites. They aren't conservative organizations, they are gun rights organizations. They support those that support gun rights regardless of their views on other issues. That is exactly what they should do. Especially in Ohio where we have a history of Republican Party leadership that doesn't firmly support gun rights.

Being a pro-gun Democrat is exactly what got Strickland into office. It is something that wouldn't have been so powerful for him if the Ohio Republican Party would quit putting forth big government Republicans that obviously don't trust citizens with guns.

20 posted on 11/03/2010 7:24:21 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: joeclarke

Kasich had, I think a “B” rating from NRA. Not sure on GOA.

What was Strickland’s rating, or do they even rate governors?


21 posted on 11/03/2010 7:34:04 AM PDT by meyer (Hey Obama - It's the end of the world as you know it.... ..... and I feel fine!)
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To: griswold3
Strickland got the endorsement of the Ohioans for Concealed Carry PAC and the Buckeye Firearms Association as well as the NRA. Ohio has a history of Republicans who are unfriendly to gun rights. Usually the Democrats are even less friendly, but Strickland is the exception to that rule.

Strickland is not a conservative. He is a liberal who happens to support gun rights, and he has a proven voting record to back it up. Kasich has claimed to see the light. I guess we will see if his was a conversion of expedience.

I wouldn't personally vote for Strickland, but he deserves the endorsements over Kasich by gun rights groups. He has stuck by gun owners even though doing so can't have been popular within his own party. He has proven himself on gun rights, and these are gun rights organizations.

Have gun rights organizations been infiltrated by progressives? As long as they support run rights, why shouldn't they be welcome in those organizations. Invite them in. Maybe we can slowly talk some sense into them.

22 posted on 11/03/2010 7:42:59 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: meyer
Kasich has a C- from the Buckeye Firearms Association. I believe his most recent rating from the NRA is a B. He apparently saw the light not long ago and has brought up his NRA rating. His past ratings were apparently lower.

I would not consider him a reliable supporter of gun rights.

Strickland is a reliable supporter of gun rights, but he's liberal on just about everything else.

23 posted on 11/03/2010 7:47:14 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: joeclarke
They also supported Pomeroy in ND. Which made no sense because the statement was that Pomeroy was against an Assault Weapons Ban, when that nit had voted FOR the original one and was a real pusbag about it.

I think the NRA needs to clean house in the political vetting department, because they backed a lot of people who have been openly hostile to the RKBA in the past, and not one of them has had a genuine 'come to Jesus' moment on the issue since. It's as if whoever was picking candidates to back had no memory back more than 10 years.

24 posted on 11/03/2010 7:47:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: AD from SpringBay
So, if the NRA sticks to its mission and supports those they deem the most 2nd Amendment friendly candidates, regardless of the letter after the candidate’s name, isn’t that showing a little integrity?

It would be if at least one of the people they endorsed didn't have a sh*tty voting record on the RKBA, including voting for the AWB under Clinton.

But when a single-issue organization blatantly doesn't do their homework, they become no issue, and my donations to them go the same route.

25 posted on 11/03/2010 7:50:32 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: joeclarke

The NRA has supported EVERY gun control law that has come down the pike. They claim as long as people can have “shooting sports” they suport the gun control laws. They refuse to acknowledge that the 2nd amendment is about tyranny.


26 posted on 11/03/2010 8:24:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
That organisation alone is probably responsible for stealing several victories from conservative Republicans last night,......

The NRA helped to reelect Harry Reid!!!!!

27 posted on 11/03/2010 8:58:46 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: joeclarke
My recollection is there were five key house races where the NRA supported Dems:

1) GA8 - Jim Marshall (D) vs. Austin Scott (R) GOP pick up

2) VA2 - Glenn Nye (D) vs. Scott Rigell (R) GOP pick up

3) MD1 - Frank Kratovil (D) vs. Andy Harris (R) GOP pick up

4) MS1 - Travis Childress (D) vs. Alan Nunnebee (R) GOP pick up

5) AL2 - Bobby Bright (D) vs. Martha Roby (R) GOP pick up

Looks like 0-5 for the NRA. Screw 'em, I will not be re-upping next year!

28 posted on 11/03/2010 12:45:11 PM PDT by PDMiller
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To: joeclarke

NRA: Not Really American.

The NRA has suported and campaigned for each and every gun control law since the turn of the century. Here is the article from the March 1968 edition of their magazine, AMERICAN RIFLEMAN MAGAZINE. They explain how they are for gun control laws.


WHERE THE NRA STANDS ON GUN LEGISLATION
97-year record shows positive approach to workable gun laws

By ALAN C. WEBBER
Associate Editor
THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN

“I think it is a terrible indictment of the National Rifle Association that they haven’t supported any legislation to try and control the misuse of rifles and pistols in this country.”

“The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns...”

— American Rifleman
March 1968, P. 22

That flat assertion was made by Senator Robert Kennedy (N.Y.), Jan. 16 in addressing the New York State University law school in Buffalo.

Terming Kennedy’s accusation “a smear of a great American organization,” NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth pointed out that “The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871.”

A few days later, Orth seconded the request of President Lyndon Johnson, made Jan. 17 in his State of the Union message, for a curb on mail-order sales.

“The duty of Congress is clear,” Orth said, “it should act now to pass legislation that will keep undesirables, including criminals, drug addicts and persons adjudged mentally irresponsible or alcoholic, or juveniles from obtaining firearms through the mails.”

“The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition...”

— American Rifleman
March 1968, P. 22

The NRA position, as stated by Orth, emphasizes that the NRA has consistently supported gun legislation which it feels would penalize misuse of guns without harassing law-abiding hunters, target shooters and collectors.

Here is the record over the years:

Item: The late Karl T. Frederick, an NRA president, served for years as special consultant with the Commissioners on Uniform State Laws to frame The Uniform Firearms Act of 1930.

Adopted by Alabama, Indiana, the District of Columbia, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, and Washington, the Act directly attacks the “mail order murder” to which President Johnson referred in his State of the Union Message. It specifically forbids delivery of pistols to convicts, drug addicts, habitual drunkards, incompetents, and minors under the age of 18. Other salient provisions of the Act require a license to carry a pistol concealed on one’s person or in a vehicle; require the purchaser of a pistol to give information about himself which is submitted by the seller to local police authorities; specify a 48-hour time lapse between application for purchase and delivery.

Item: The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns.

Item: The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition, and prohibits the movement in interstate or foreign commerce of firearms and ammunition between certain persons and under certain conditions.

“NRA supported the original ‘Dodd Bill’ to amend the Federal Firearms Act...”

— American Rifleman
March 1968, P. 22

More recently, the spate of articles on gun legislation has spread the erroneous impression that the NRA has always opposed Senator Thomas J. Dodd’s attempts to keep guns out of the hands of juveniles. This is simply untrue. The facts are these:

The NRA worked closely with the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency, of which Senator Dodd was chairman, in its investigation into the relationship between juvenile crime and the availability of firearms.

The NRA supported the original “Dodd Bill” to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun.

In January, 1965, with the continued support of the NRA, Senator Dodd introduced an amended version of his first bill, now designated 5.14 and expanded to cover rifles and shotguns as well as handguns.

“Senator Kennedy’s ‘terrible indictment’ of the NRA is groundless.”

— American Rifleman
March 1968, P. 23

The parting of the ways came only when Senator Dodd introduced still another bill (S.1592) in March, 1965, which drastically intensified his earlier bills. The NRA opposed S.1592 and subsequent bills introduced by the Connecticut Senator. If passed into law, S.1592 would, among other things, have ended all interstate shipments of firearms except to persons holding a Federal firearms license. It also would have prohibited even a Federal licensee from selling a pistol to anyone residing in another State.

NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts. The essential provisions which the NRA supports are contained in 2 Senate bills introduced by Senator Roman L. Hruska (Nebr.) and House bills introduced by Congressmen Cecil R. King (17th fist.-Calif.) and Robert L. F. Sikes (1st Dist.Fla.). These bills would:

1. Impose a mandatory penalty for the carrying or use of a firearm, transported in interstate or foreign commerce, during the commission of certain crimes.

2. Place “destructive devices” (bombs, mines, grenades, crew-served military ordnance) under Federal regulation.

3. Prohibit any licensed manufacturer or dealer from shipping any firearm to any person in any State in violation of the laws of that state.

4. Regulate the movement of handguns in interstate and foreign commerce by:

a. requiring a sworn statement, containing certain information, from the .......

CONTINUED ON PAGE 23 (text below)
THE AMERICAN RIFLEMAN
(March 1968)

purchaser to the seller for the receipt of a handgun in interstate commerce;

b. providing for notification of local police of prospective sales;

c. requiring an additional 7-day waiting period by the seller after receipt of acknowledgement of notification to local police;

d. prescribing a minimum age of 21 for obtaining a license to sell firearms and increasing the license fees;

e. providing for written notification by manufacturer or dealer to carrier that a firearm is being shipped in interstate commerce;

f. increasing penalties for violation.

Through bulletins to its members, the NRA has often voiced approval and support of State and local ordinances designed to keep firearms out of the hands of undesirables. A bulletin of Feb. 20, 1964 notified Virginia members of the introduction in the Virginia House of Delegates of a bill requiring a 72-hour waiting period for purchase of a handgun. In the bulletin, which outlined the provisions of the bill, NRA Secretary Frank C. Daniel commented as follows:

“A number of States and local jurisdictions have a waiting period of varying length for the purchase of a concealable firearm; and, where intelligently and reasonably administered, it has not proved to be an undue burden on the shooter and sportsman. ... The bill from a technical point of view adequately protects citizens of good character from any arbitrary denial of their right to purchase a handgun. It should be judged on the basis of whether or not a waiting period for the purchase of a handgun is desirable for the State.”

The bill was killed in the House Feb. 25, 1964.

When bills were introduced in the Illinois legislature in February, 1965, to provide mandatory penalties for crimes committed while armed with a firearm, the NRA expressed its opinion to Illinois members in these terms:

NRA Secretary Daniel

“The purpose of these bills is to penalize the criminal misuse of firearms and weapons, and not the firearms themselves. This is a sound and reasonable basis for regulation and is aimed in the right direction—that of criminal conduct when armed. Senate Bill No. 351 and House Bill No. 472 are worthy of the support of the sports-men of the State of Illinois.”

The bills were passed by the Senate and House but were vetoed by Gov. Otto Kerner a few months later.

Many other instances of NRA support for worthwhile gun legislation could be quoted. But these suffice to show that Senator Kennedy’s “terrible indictment” of the NRA is groundless.


29 posted on 11/04/2010 12:23:29 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: joeclarke

Conservatives won inspite of the NRA. In my state, 2 NRA endorsed Democrats went down in flames and were replaced with conservative Republicans.

IMHO, the NRA needs to stop endorsing candidates. Just give us background info and a rating, like they do now. But no endorsements.


30 posted on 11/04/2010 1:21:20 PM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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