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50 Nuclear Missiles Drop Offline
The Weekly Standard ^ | 26rd October, 2010 | John Noonan

Posted on 11/14/2010 4:26:26 PM PST by bronxville

The Atlantic (and now Wired) is reporting that an entire squadron of nuclear missiles unexpectedly dropped into a "launch facility down" status on Saturday morning, taking a sizable portion of America's nuclear deterrent offline:

President Obama was briefed this morning on a power failure at F.E. Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming that took 50 nuclear ICBMs, one ninth of the U.S. missile stockpile, temporarily offline on Saturday.

The base is a main locus of the United States' strategic nuclear forces. The 90th Missile Wing, headquartered there, controls 150 Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic nuclear missiles. They're on full-time alert and housed in a variety of bunkers across the base.

On Saturday morning, according to people briefed on what happened, a squadron of ICBMs suddenly dropped down into what's known as "LF Down" status, meaning that the missileers in their bunkers no longer could communicate with the missiles themselves. LF Down status also means that various security protocols built into the missile delivery system, like intrusion alarms and warhead separation alarms, were offline.

The White House response to the incident has been jaw dropping. When pressed on the critical security lapse, an unnamed official told Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic (emphasis mine): "to make too much out of this would be to sensationalize it. It's not that big of a deal. Everything worked as planned."

According to Ambinder's report, during the period that the squadron went offline, the 90th Missile Wing had absolutely no communication with 50 nuclear weapons. There was no security available to protect the affected sites, nor was there any way of monitoring if the missiles sprung a leak, had their targeting data wiped, or suffered a mechanical breakdown. This is one of the most concerning and significant lapses in nuclear command and control in memory.

This could have a significant impact on START ratification. Cutting our nuclear arsenal was predicated on the functionality and health of the current strategic arsenal. Republican lawmakers, led by Senator Jon Kyl, have been understandably reluctant to ratify START until their concerns about aging nuclear warheads were answered and mitigated by the Obama sdministration. With this enormous breach in command and control functionality, the condition of our ancient fleet of delivery systems -subs that are 30 years old, missiles that are 40, and bombers that are 50- will have to be closely examined.

When new START hits the Senate floor during the lame-duck session of Congress, lawmakers should make extra certain that there are plans -and resources- on the books to upgrade both our archaic nuclear stockpile as well as our submarines, bombers, and ICBMs.

I'll invoke my own experience as a nuclear launch officer here, having pulled several "alerts" in the affected squadron: nothing worked "as planned." But over the course of four years on Minuteman III missile crew, I saw maybe only three or four incidents where a single missile dropped offline. And having an entire launch-facility down condition is rare, unexpected, and gravely serious. An entire squadron dropping offline is beyond significant. Indeed, the chief of staff and secretary of the Air Force were both fired for less.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: nationalsecurityfail; nuclearmissles
"The White House response to the incident has been jaw dropping. When pressed on the critical security lapse, an unnamed official told Marc Ambinder of the Atlantic (emphasis mine): "to make too much out of this would be to sensationalize it. It's not that big of a deal. Everything worked as planned.""

Any ideas how this could have happened?

1 posted on 11/14/2010 4:26:32 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Chinese hacking into the system?


2 posted on 11/14/2010 4:27:54 PM PST by James C. Bennett
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To: bronxville

I’m sure there were lots of theories posted in all the threads here when it happened back in October.

;)


3 posted on 11/14/2010 4:29:14 PM PST by SengirV
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To: James C. Bennett

I wrote that as a possibility and erased it because I don’t believe they needed to hack. I do have some thoughts but didn’t have the nerve to post them as they’re kinda weird. :)


4 posted on 11/14/2010 4:30:46 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

When things like this happen, having a white house occupant who wants to destroy the United States sure doesn’t help matters.


5 posted on 11/14/2010 4:32:32 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Rules will never work for radicals (liberals) because they seek chaos. And don't even know it.)
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To: bronxville

considering those that wrote the controlling software were from that area of the world, it’s not exactly hacking

more like... logging in

someone should really revoke all clearances to foreign nationals issued pre 9-11. once revoked, all systems should be reviewed (good luck spotting back doors... if they were any good, it’d be a massive headache to try and find)

and yes, some of the people writing the software that controls the missile silos are from asia. sound stupid? of course it is... what’s your point?


6 posted on 11/14/2010 4:34:11 PM PST by sten
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To: bronxville

everything that fail under this admin just get covered up as its nothing. If GOP was in power, it be covered as a major scandal, national emergency


7 posted on 11/14/2010 4:34:16 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: bronxville

I think there are just too many coincidences piling up.

My uneasiness grows and grows.

BTW, I have the Dallas/Giants game on in the background. The stadium (Giants home) had a severe power outage, left it totally black and the game had to be suspended for 12 min. First the report said a generator outside the stadium blew, there was smoke in the air. Now the report is they have no idea.

What really struck me is that the sideline reporter said that when the lights went out, all the players hit the ground. Now why would they do that??? It it were me, I would just stand in the same spot until the lights came on or I knew what was going on.

And a generator for a football stadium???? I can’t believe they rely on a generator for lighting, but what do I know.


8 posted on 11/14/2010 4:35:19 PM PST by kevslisababy
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To: SengirV

I was wondering why it wasn’t posted when I did a search. I guess they were all just under another heading. Silly me. I just got back last week after a few months in Ireland and didn’t access the computer except for emails.


9 posted on 11/14/2010 4:36:01 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

America, devolving into breathtaking incompetence.

At least we know someone out there has missles that work.

Who is running this stuff? Barney Fife?


10 posted on 11/14/2010 4:37:48 PM PST by dforest
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To: bronxville

NP, just a little friendly ribbing. I never have any luck with search either.


11 posted on 11/14/2010 4:40:46 PM PST by SengirV
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To: bronxville

Just another incidence that shows how far we have declined. That would have never have happened 20-30 years ago...


12 posted on 11/14/2010 4:41:00 PM PST by Deagle
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To: bronxville
Two immediate thoughts:
1) Hasn't the Air Force ever heard of Emergency Diesel Generators?
2) If this really happened why does anyone without a Top Secret clearance know about it?
13 posted on 11/14/2010 4:42:06 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: bronxville

Kind of like Big Sis saying

the system worked

when the crotch bomber’s bomb didn’t bring the plane down thanks to the passengers.


14 posted on 11/14/2010 4:54:07 PM PST by Carley (WE SAW NOVEMBER FROM OUR HOUSE)
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To: bronxville; Quix
Last month the testimony of career officers of UFOs interfering with ICBM missles.

The sighted missile launches in Phoenix and coastal California. The disabling of a cruise ship off of Mexico and today a fatal explosion at resort in the Mexican Riviera .

Not seemingly connected but makes me go Hmmm.

15 posted on 11/14/2010 4:58:55 PM PST by AU72
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To: kevslisababy; The Comedian; Quix; LucyT

I think there are just too many coincidences piling up.

My uneasiness grows and grows.

BTW, I have the Dallas/Giants game on in the background. The stadium (Giants home) had a severe power outage, left it totally black and the game had to be suspended for 12 min. First the report said a generator outside the stadium blew, there was smoke in the air. Now the report is they have no idea.

What really struck me is that the sideline reporter said that when the lights went out, all the players hit the ground. Now why would they do that??? It it were me, I would just stand in the same spot until the lights came on or I knew what was going on.

And a generator for a football stadium???? I can’t believe they rely on a generator for lighting, but what do I know.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I agree “too many coincidences piling up.”


16 posted on 11/14/2010 4:59:31 PM PST by Whenifhow
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To: Carley

17 posted on 11/14/2010 5:04:37 PM PST by omega4179 (Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius)
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To: James C. Bennett

It won’t be the first time.

Colonel, USAFR


18 posted on 11/14/2010 5:09:27 PM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: SunkenCiv; CJ Wolf; houeto; Quix; null and void; B4Ranch; Whenifhow; Silentgypsy; Lurker; ...
Just humor me and consider the possibility this might be "Space Weirdness". Also, Tipping Point component #4,847
(thanks Whenifhow!).

"Space Energy/Solar Weirdness" ping.


Low volume ping list dealing with odd space phenomena and solar events.

FReepmail me if you want on or off

The Comedian's "Space Energy/Solar Weirdness" ping list...


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Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

19 posted on 11/14/2010 5:46:46 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: Whenifhow

MUCH AGREE . . .

Tooooooooooooooo many . . . awwww shucks incidents.


20 posted on 11/14/2010 5:54:25 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: bronxville; Rushmore Rocks; Velveeta; nw_arizona_granny

Bump and Ping

This also happened a few months ago.


21 posted on 11/14/2010 5:56:29 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: sten; All

BACKGROUND

Wahid Hamid (Wahid was Obama’s room-mate at college) served as Senior Vice President of Corporate Strategy and Development at PepsiCo, Inc. Mr. Hamid served as a Member of the Board at Pepsi Americas. While at PepsiCo, he served as the Chief Financial Officer of PepsiCo Americas Foods. In these roles, he was responsible for developing and implementing innovative corporate and business unit strategies, new ventures and alliances and for all M+A activities in conjunction with the divisions and sectors.
As Chief Financial Officer of PepsiCo Americas Foods he was also responsible for all sector financial planning and control activities and for facilitating best practices sharing among the individual business units.

He joined PepsiCo from The Boston Consulting Group (BCG), where he spent 15 years in a wide variety of roles and led engagements advising Fortune 100 Companies on developing and implementing growth strategies as well as on large-scale reengineering and transformation programs and ultimately served as Senior Partner and Managing Director in their New York office. He led BCG’s consumer goods and retail practice across Asia Pacific for a number of years and led large-scale engagements in Japan, China, South Korea, and India. He served on the firm’s Global People and US Partner Selection Committees.

He was also the co-founder, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of a successful venture funded IT services business in China. (who was his partner?)

He serves as a Board Member at Defense Business Board.

He holds dual undergraduate degrees from the California Institute of Technology (with honors) and Occidental College (cum laude) and also holds an MBA from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.
http://investing.businessweek.com/businessweek/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=31047849&ticker=PEP:US&previousCapId=4392731&previousTitle=Columbus%20Zoo%20and%20Aquarium

Hillary and Wahid (Wahids reward?) -
http://www.americanpakistan.org/aboutus.php
http://www.americanpakistan.org/board_of_directors.php

Wahid’s government bio -
http://dbb.defense.gov/bios/wahid_hamid.html

Wahid’s company in China (couldn’t find much on it) -

Sept. 2001 ~ Nov. 2003, ERP [project ‘211’] consultant, HAND Enterprise Solutions Co., Ltd. P. R. China”
http://www.ise.ufl.edu/pardalos/visitors/CV_of_tao_zhang.pdf

Wahiid or whoever named the company - “HAND...” reminded me of this -

“China Hands,” were leftists from the State Department’s Asian division.

China Hands: Nine Decades of Adventure, Espionage, and Diplomacy in Asia
by James Lilley with Jeffrey Lilley
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/china-hands-by-james-lilley-9946

When the Chinese Communists declared victory in 1949, an immediate outcry asked “Who lost China?” John T. Flynn, Louis F. Budenz, Freda Utley were among the many who charged that China Hands had undermined Chiang Kai-shek, misled the American public and lost China either through naive ignorance of the true nature of Marxism or even allegiance to the Soviet Union. John Service, they pointed out, had admitted that before he went to Yan’an he had not read the basic texts of Marxism, and the other China Hands were no better informed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Hands

He worked at Boston Consulting Group (BCG) -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Consulting_Group
https://www.gsaadvantage.gov/ref_text/GS10F0475N/GS10F0475N_online.htm

BCG have very interesting board members - CFR’s, Pepsi head -(?gave Wahid his big position and board membership), Trilateral Commission people, Paulsen, Israel PM, media, finance, industry, IT, government, etc (don’t see Romney but I read somewhere he had a stake in this company - don’t have time to check it out at the moment) -
http://www.nndb.com/company/092/000124717/

BCG is only a bil dollar company yet it appears to be a very important outfit...

Wahid - PepsiAmericas VP – he got on the huge plum board of PepsiAmericas pretty fast - during the candidate Obamas period - which opened the door for his entry into the Defense Business Board. (One wonders if he laundered Muslim money for Obama’s campaign via Pepsi Americas. He got millions from Asia. The Chandoo brothers also raised big bucks. The Tides Foundation also launders money via the Tides Center. Pepsi Americas and Obama appear to be a team...even down to the logo - remember the Defense site logo?)Wahid plays golf with Obama - saves noted visits - it’s probably why he plays golf so much...

Anyway it could all be perfectly innocent. I just happened to have the info and the latest stuff in the sky reminded me of Wahid’s trip to China and the, HAND IT company, he and his partner started with the help of one of one of China’s prestigious university professors. I previously wrote about it here -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2514423/posts

Project 211-
http://www.edu.cn/20010101/21852.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Project_211

Why EPA 211?

USA - What is the National 211 Initiative?

In 1997, United Way of Metropolitan Atlanta successfully established a local 211 project. Since then, they have helped over 250,000 callers needing information about resources in their community.

United Way of America and the Alliance of Information & Referral Systems (AIRS) have formed a national 211 partner-ship so that this valuable ser-vice can be offered throughout the country. In May 1998, they filed a petition with the FCC to designate 211 as the universal access number for community services information.
http://211us.org/status.htm
http://www.211ohio.net/
bing search - 2-1-1uk brought me to this -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_legislation
bing search - 211uk brought me to auto/tel laser stuff

Wahid’s EPA 211 trip (2001) -

(The major ERP vendors are - SAP, Oracle (PeopleSoft and J.D. Edwards), SSA Global (Baan) and Microsoft. Lawson Software specializes in back-end processing that integrates with another vendor’s manufacturing system. See CRM, SAP, PeopleSoft, J.D. Edwards, Baan, Microsoft Dynamics, sales force automation, supply chain management and NRP.)

This leads us to the US EPA – enter Clinton (visited China in 1998) Gore, “killer trees” Bill Chaneides (visited China ?date), Browner, Udalls, ...and so on and on and on...

Bottomline – was Wahid and his partners new company HAND... really the implementation of a global EPA 211 or access to our defense intelligence – or both?

Stupid? Maybe but who knows. The environment is now worse in rural areas (at least the land we’ve got left and isn’t conserved) per Chaneides which means they’re looking to herd us all into their Metro-cities when their building projects are finished, and if that doesn’t work there’ll be some sort of missile mishaps and we’ll be rounded there for our own protection, those who won’t go, well there’s the camps...

Now removing my tinfoil hat.


22 posted on 11/14/2010 6:03:18 PM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville
The Atlantic (and now Wired) is reporting that an entire squadron of nuclear missiles unexpectedly dropped into a "launch facility down" status on Saturday morning, taking a sizable portion of America's nuclear deterrent offline:

And, of course, they got it completely wrong. This tells me there is no need to read further.

23 posted on 11/14/2010 6:03:18 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: bronxville
Archaic but it works and nothing to hack.

24 posted on 11/14/2010 6:07:43 PM PST by TSgt (On 11/08/2010 at 0421 my life changed forever. I became a father.)
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To: SengirV

No problem SengirV. Anyway I just needed an excuse to post my weird stuff and you gave it to me. :)


25 posted on 11/14/2010 6:07:43 PM PST by bronxville
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To: All; Quix; Whenifhow; houeto; null and void
Well, I've been waiting for one event to christen this new ping list. This is it.
"Nuclear Terror" ping.

Low volume (I hope) ping list covering atomic/nuclear/thermonuclear terrifying events and discussions.

FReepmail me if you want on or off The Comedian's "Nuclear Terror" ping list...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

26 posted on 11/14/2010 6:09:55 PM PST by The Comedian (I enjoy progressives, especially in a light cream sauce.)
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To: Quix

One oooops got away from sub near San Diego???


27 posted on 11/14/2010 6:10:27 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: Leo Carpathian; The Comedian

Hmmmmmmm

thx.


28 posted on 11/14/2010 6:13:13 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: TSgt

I didn’t think it was hacked but thought perhaps they were given it freely.

Why build up China? Why are we building up India/Pakistan/Afghanistan/Iraq/Eastern Europe/Africa...?

I have another crazy thought. :)


29 posted on 11/14/2010 6:16:36 PM PST by bronxville
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To: The Comedian

Sign me up please.


30 posted on 11/14/2010 6:17:44 PM PST by bronxville
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To: Leo Carpathian

Hard to not think of the 2 incidents being related. I mean, it takes some work. Stuxnet, Warren, Catalina...... ????


31 posted on 11/14/2010 6:19:23 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: bronxville

Probably a IBEW union related issue.


32 posted on 11/14/2010 6:19:45 PM PST by comps4spice
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To: The Comedian

Add me to yer list if ya have time !

As an old SAC trained killer myself. Events such as this makes me wonder if ole Curtis “Bombs Away” LeMay is rolling over in his grave about now with all the recent errors.......

Just 13 days into the new command and this happens, Crazy.

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123224563


33 posted on 11/14/2010 6:26:02 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: AU72; The Comedian

>>Not seemingly connected but makes me go Hmmm.<<

What makes me go Hmmm is the fact there is millions of Moslems in the USA. For a moment allow me to blow a cool, refreshing breeze up your skirt.

Of the millions of Moslems in the USA, what percentage of them are what a very pro Moslem person such as “Elie Rekhess (Ph.D. Tel Aviv University) Crown Professor of Middle East Studies” would call radicals? Perhaps 1 percent? That would be 10,000. Oh Dear! That’s too many to admit to. Shall we say .5 percent? That would be 5,000. How about one quarter of one percent? That would be 2,500. Alright, let’s be realistic and say one tenth of one percent of them are radicals. (The rest are what the news agencies would describe as Moderates. LOL)

Yes, that means that there’s a good possibility of terrorists living next door to you and your family. Right?

Yup, 1,000 pig screwing, terrorist minded, America hating Muslims are spread out across America wanting to mess with our energy system which support our defense system. (I didn’t mean to include the guy in the WH but he qualifies.)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Be sure to wish them all a Merry Christmas!


34 posted on 11/14/2010 6:44:06 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: bronxville

Ping


35 posted on 11/14/2010 6:50:33 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Squantos

>>with all the recent errors.......<<

I see them as possible test runs. Coincidences tend to keep me awake. I don’t believe in them.


36 posted on 11/14/2010 6:53:37 PM PST by B4Ranch (Conflict is inevitable; Combat is an option. Train for the fight.)
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To: bronxville
nor was there any way of monitoring if the missiles sprung a leak

Showing just how little the authors know about missiles. They're solid fueled. No leaks.

Weekly Standard is attempting to sensationalize.

37 posted on 11/14/2010 6:55:47 PM PST by r9etb
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To: TSgt
Archaic but it works and nothing to hack.

Shhhh..... don't ruin their little game. It's like a slumber party for 6th grade girls, all trying to scare each other.

38 posted on 11/14/2010 6:59:07 PM PST by r9etb
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To: bronxville
"I wrote that as a possibility and erased it because I don’t believe they needed to hack. I do have some thoughts but didn’t have the nerve to post them as they’re kinda weird. :)"

It is virtually impossible to hack anything strategic in the US.

EVERYTHING is a separate, physically inaccessible network...unless it came from the inside.

If it come from the inside they have already been caught.

This is nothing more than a mechanical failure...probably due to lack of maintenance.

Remember, this is only 9% of the MMIII force.

39 posted on 11/14/2010 7:28:51 PM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: The Comedian

While on this subject, wouldn’t it be cool to have a ICBM webcams?


40 posted on 11/14/2010 7:47:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: bronxville
It's not that big of a deal. Everything worked as planned."

Ummm... Exactly whose plan?

41 posted on 11/14/2010 8:02:13 PM PST by sjmjax
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To: bronxville; GQuagmire; wintertime; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; ...
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50 Nuclear Missiles Drop Offline

. . . . Hackers, incompetence, or mechanical failure?

42 posted on 11/14/2010 8:10:18 PM PST by LucyT
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To: kevslisababy
I think there are just too many coincidences piling up.

My uneasiness grows and grows.

I feel the same way...

What really struck me is that the sideline reporter said that when the lights went out, all the players hit the ground. Now why would they do that??? It it were me, I would just stand in the same spot until the lights came on or I knew what was going on.

Standing in the same spot waiting for the lights to come on, I would do the same thing...

Before 9-11.

Now...

The lights suddenly go out and everything suddenly goes off, I am going tactical immediately. That includes hitting the ground to make for a much smaller target.

Then I am taking a quick inventory of what I have available to me at the moment (flashlight, cell phone, pepper spray, folding knife, car keys, etc.).

An EMP from a nuclear blast moves at the speed of light and overloads the electronics and electrical systems taking out the electrical power.

The blast wave is a second or so behind it...

It is embarrassing to hit the ground for no reason other than being paranoid of a nuclear blast going off.

But it is even more embarrassing to get shredded by flying metal and glass from a blast wave.

43 posted on 11/14/2010 8:32:46 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Life is God's gift to you. The way you live your life is your gift to God. Make it a fantastic one.)
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To: sjmjax
Ummm... Exactly whose plan?

Hussein's plan... Soro's plan... China's plan... Russia's plan... heck, they all have the same plan to destroy America.

44 posted on 11/14/2010 8:36:34 PM PST by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: The Comedian
Sign me up.

I am sure this won't be your last "Nuclear Terror" ping.

(Isn't the caption under that picture the one fisherman saying to the other "Well I guess this means that we can say screw the limit?").

45 posted on 11/14/2010 8:41:43 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (Life is God's gift to you. The way you live your life is your gift to God. Make it a fantastic one.)
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To: B4Ranch

Anything is possible....


46 posted on 11/15/2010 12:59:14 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

I don’t think most people in this country, or even on FR, know how much danger we have been placed in since o has been in office...or how close we have come to “absorbing” a nuke attack on an American city.


47 posted on 11/15/2010 1:45:21 AM PST by MestaMachine (Farrago fatigans! - Thuffering thuccotash!)
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To: MestaMachine
I don’t think most people in this country, or even on FR, know how much danger we have been placed in since o has been in office...or how close we have come to “absorbing” a nuke attack on an American city.

America is on borrowed time. The national debt clock is about more than mere money. It's an open credit line for lawlessness. :(

48 posted on 11/15/2010 2:15:41 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: MestaMachine

Agree....he is a poser that endangers.


49 posted on 11/15/2010 2:35:46 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil

But I find it amazing that a whole field of team members would think to do that, unless they have been instructed. Which I find chilling.


50 posted on 11/15/2010 5:08:25 AM PST by kevslisababy
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