Posted on 12/04/2010 12:20:47 PM PST by bray
But eagerly desire the greater gifts. LOVE and now I will show you the most excellent way. 1 Cor 12:31
We are now going to hear from the Rats how Repubs are starving the unemployed while feeding the rich, when it is just the opposite. Liberals would rather keep the poor on a starvation diet as long as it is from the Gummit rather than from private sector job, for votes. They want to keep people in poverty on unemployment and Gummit cheese rather than be proven wrong about Marxism. We would rather take the hit now and stimulate industry leading to better jobs in the future. This is the difference between them and us, we place our trust in individual freedom and the private sector while they want to enslave people to a gummit programs. It is time to be Americans and walk away from slavery. It is time for our leaders to stand up for freedom and capitalism.
The only way out of the Obamalaise is to shrink the gummit at every level starting with taxes and unemployment. This makes perfect sense to stimulate the economy over time to take some burden off the private sector leading to more jobs. Every Conservative knows the best welfare is a job and it is time to wean the unemployed off the gummit nipple to bring them back to personal independence. This will force people to make the immediate decisions they need to make to survive the obama meltdown and make it to the other side. This will transfer Billion$ to the job creators and begin to bring this Country back from this disaster. Those dollars can be used to create jobs and start to bring employment back rather than more people at the shrinking trough.
When the gummit runs a program like unemployment they take $1000 from the rest of us so after all the waste and corruption is milked out there is less than $100 getting to the person needing the help. So the way this system works is for every $1000 less than $100 actually reaches its destination. We would be better served having these people going to churches where upwards of $950 of every $1000 reaches the people and takes the pressure off the economy. The reason of course this will never happen is the Dems will never give up that much power.
We have so yoked and hobbled our industrial sector there is no way for them to get up off the mat. In addition to throwing roadblocks in front of them, these commies vilify the only people who can solve the second Great Depression. They are at war with the private sector since they really want to nationalize this Country for their communist utopian dictatorship. This is why we have to refuse their heroin everywhere we find it starting with entitlements. Will it be hard and painful getting off this Gummit addiction? Of course it will, but we need our freedom and there is no such thing as a little Gummit anything; it all destroys. It destroys a person’s drive, ambition and creativity while encouraging resentment and class warfare.
The same tough medicine needs to be given to the rest of the entitlements like Social Insecurity and remove the third rail. Why can’t people opt out of SSI and Medicare if they want? What part of free society don’t they understand? To say that everybody needs to take a bus or Model T when they would prefer to drive their own car is not freedom but tyranny, so why should the Youts of America be forced to pay into a broken down system? If it’s so great, why can’t it or Medicare or Deathcare stand on their own or head for the dustbin where they belong? Simple, they want you to be their serfs for their experiment.
This is why we have to end unemployment. Until we make Gummit smaller and less of a factor in our lives we will be their serfs while they fool us into hating our employers. What they are really saying is you need to give up your and business’ freedom and turn it over to an all powerful Big Brother. We have to accept enslavement by a corrupt, wasteful, inefficient slothful giant to protect us from our employers. We need to shrink the Giant to free the slaves, until then we will be going out to the mailbox waiting for our Gummit worker to bring us our Gummit gruel. America is better than that so we need to take the first step away from the commies who run this Country and walk towards Freedom. We have to starve the beast for us to become truly free. The first step is the hardest but that is what is needed to begin to break this addiction from the top to the bottom. There is one person waiting at the end of this journey back and she is Lady Liberty who can be passed to our next generation if we have the courage. Lady Liberty was earned through hard work, capitalism and patriot blood, not found in a mailbox.
Pray for America
I don’t think the cost of providing UC checks is 90%, although it is a lot.
State unemployment taxes go strictly for the checks, the federal unemployment levy goes for the administration of the program.
Your right, I was giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Pray for America
enough brayin
Then they could pay the people who really need the help.
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I am a volunteer triage interviewer at a local food/clothing bank. In this job I gather info from an applicant and determine how the bank can best help them.
In the series of question that I ask one is, “Are you working?” It used to upset me when the person would say, “I don’t have to work, I get a government check.” Now I get upset when they say, “I don’t have to work, I’m on unemployment. I want to say, “Enjoy my tax dollars you leech.”
I sincerely hope the unemployment benefits are not extended. It provides an too-easy reason to not look for work. Unemployment has become the new welfare.
Many of them have forgot how to work.
Pray for America
Payments to the unemployed should come from a ‘welfare’ line item after x number of weeks, because the “Employment Income” budget line is related to costs to employers. In Maryland some employers have seen their Employment Insurance premiums go up 300-500% during the past year. This is really conducive to their hiring the next new employee, NOT!
It is so wrong for people to get comfortable on ‘government checks’ plus handouts from the many agencies around to help the destitute. When I begin seeing starving Americans I will begin to worry that we are not “doing enough”.
Please explain how I am a leech. Thanks.
Meant to say:
I will gladly trade my UB check for anyone’s paycheck.
Unfortunately, people tend to paint with a ‘broad brush’, in assuming that everyone on unemployment is lazy. I wouldn’t call anyone a leech (as spiltmilk stated) unless I knew the entire situation or story. Some are actively looking for work, looking to acquire a new skill set, willing to relocate etc...but not everyone, as simple human nature would predict.
I know two near ‘99ers’ here in town, and they almost wear that badge with honor. Neither has done anything other than look for similar job at similar pay to the one they lost, and continue to look in the same labor market/area they live in. Both complain about the lack of funds provided by unemployment payments, but I guess they’re not that uncomfortable that they have looked to change fields or move to where a job might be or even to take a lesser paying job (or two).
I don’t know what to think at this point...but continually extending the jobless benefits past two years doesn’t seem like a good answer. Not to sound cruel, but at a certain point certain people need to be placed in a more ‘uncomfortable’ situation just so they do something else, anything else, to be productive.
How long is ‘too long’ for unemployment benefits??
I agree that the answer to "how long is too long" is a tricky one. However, the extensions that have continually been funded have not extended the term over 99 weeks. The recent legislation (not passed) would extend the term one can claim unemployment for three months, provided they have exhausted their initial claim - up to 99 weeks.
People who are only vaguely familiar with unemployment hear the word "extension" and the term "99ers" and immediately believe people are being allowed to collect UI forever. This is not the case. Currently, my own claim expires after 26 weeks. Without an extension, I'm done.
Are you starving, losing weight, moving to a new location to find work? If not, you are still in a comfortable position.
I don’t know your own specific position, but I am really referring to people who, for example, lost their jobs because the industry that kept the town going has collapsed - and the town folk seem to be paralyzed into a dependency on government for far too long. The leftists who have been in charge of our Congress for the past three years are happy to have as many people as possible dependent forever.
I don’t think you, personally, are a leech and I’ve been through the same struggle of finding a job after graduation in the Obozo economy. However, strictly economically speaking, unemployment benefits do provide a disincentive to try as hard to find a job. Correct me if I’m mistaken, but all you have to do to collect your unemployment, is fill out 4 applications a week, no matter if you’re qualified or not, and no matter the quality of presentation of your application, resume, or your follow up, correct?
You are correct. It’s actually 3 work search “activities” per week. I can show you a log that documents hours of effort daily and over 1-2 job applications per day on average for six months. My unemployment check is half of what my paycheck was. I’m sure there are some who through large savings, under the table jobs or spouse’s income have no incentive to find work, but this single guy who is burning through his life’s savings just to supplement the UI check and keep the bills paid sure doesn’t see much fun in unemployment.
My point being that looking at unemployment on a theoretical level is one thing. As someone who has worked hard every day to try and get back to work at all sorts of jobs - in my field and equal to my level, entry level, “any job” just to get back to work - I can attest to the fact that there just are not enough jobs out there to get all the unemployed back to work at this moment.
First, go back and reread my reply. I wrote:
Now I get upset when they say, “I don’t have to work, I’m on unemployment."These folks are gaming the system. Using their unemployment benefits as a form of welfare while they while away the hours NOT seeking gainful employement.
I also wrote:
I want to say, “Enjoy my tax dollars you leech.”They are, indeed, leeching my tax dollars. Yours, too. Go read this thread for a good explanation of how unemployment benefits are paid. It is not strictly a state run program financed exclusively by taxes paid by employers. A quick excerpt:
During times of high national unemployment, the Feds institute “extended benefits”. This is NOT Unemployment Insurance. No premiums are paid or collected for these benefits. The program is ADMINISTERED by the states but the benefits are simply expenditures of the Federal Budget.I wish you much success in your job hunt. It ain't easy.
Fair enough, I misunderstood that you were referring specifically to those taking the check and making no effort to get back to work. This strategy is foreign to me as I can’t make my bills on unemployment alone and am rapidly running through my own rainy day savings I have no idea how that’s appealing vs. working but I guess these types are out there if you say so.
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