Skip to comments.Ron Paul doesn't disappoint: Stands up for Assange
Posted on 12/05/2010 4:01:54 AM PST by Scanian
Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently nutty, that is:
"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it." "This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion?" he added. "This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?"
That's the high school freshman's take on the Wikileaks issue which is what we've come to expect from the man who wants to take us back to the gold standard and get rid of the Federal Reserve. When the rest of us grew up, we realized that "truth" was a subjective force, indeed. One man's truth is another's excuse to start a war or put a bullet in someone. Universal truth is especially elusive in foreign affairs where being totally candid is not always the best path to take in order to accomplish a goal.
No doubt Assange's spitting at authority appeals to the juvenile delinquent in Paul. But then, he was never noted for his maturity on the campaign trail as his petulance and whining during the GOP debates made clear.
I’ll admit I haven’t been following this story. But from what I’ve read, so far, the disclosures are embarrassing and don’t help diplomatic relations. However, IMO, the reason for that is the State Dept acts like a bunch of 6th graders calling people “names” and daring to put it in memos. Why aren’t they held to account? If my work memos included “name calling” and my boss found out, I’d be called on the carpet.
And what about the leakers...who the heck are they?
Everybody’s after the Wikileaks guy that published the info, but if someone leaked Obama’s records (BC, school, etc.) and a blogger published it, all FReepers would be cheering.
Maybe I don’t understand the real issues, as I said, not too involved in the whole story, so someone enlighten me.
The problem here is that WikiLeaks would eagerly toss out all these American secrets...while the Russians, Chinese, Iraqis, and French kept theirs intact. Julian would then say that we were in a age of transparency...when we weren’t.
Then Julian needs various naive countries to hide him or at least allow him to do his work....in effect...protecting him, while he gives them nothing (no taxes, no revenue, no help, etc). If the citizens of these countries sat down and considered Julian’s value to them...he’d be a zero.
Finally, the impressive thing about Julian and his hiding game is that he’s like a cousin that demands access to your house, your refrigerator, your food, your internet, and your booze. It would appear that the handlers of Julian work hard at finding ladies to house him and I would speculate that Julian plays this “secret-agent” routine and how the CIA is chasing him over the ends of the Earth. Then Julian puts enough wine in front of the host....and eventually takes advantage of them (note both Swedish ladies who’ve reported his behavior).
Bluntly, he’s a loser on a mission that only hinders the US in the end.
Hey, it's truth, it's just media.
I knew the Paul article would wake a lot of FReepers up on what has been a quiet Sunday morning.
I don’t mind most of that junk being published on Wikileaks. What bothers me tremendously is leaking information that blows the cover off important espionage operations, i.e. the president of Yemen trying to ID AlQaeda in that country (against the will of the rest of his government) or negotiations to get the Pakis to turn atomic material over to the US rather than sell it to terror countries or organizations.
And Assange is nobody to judge what can be “safely” leaked and what cannot.
And, BTW, anybody who thinks his dumps have been truly indiscriminate had better think again. He surely has expunged material that could prove embarassing to countries which either finance him or shelter him.
Well, Assange has promise a bank info dump next time. Maybe Paul’s info will be included. Who knows with that Aussie flake?
Maybe not charge Assange with treason, but definitely the queer that stole the info
I wonder how long till Hollywood names Sean Penn as the star in their new movie “Wikileaks”?
Sure...either him or johnny Depp as Assange.
Who can play Manning?
Oh, I know: Lindsay Lohan is desperate for work. Put a beret on her after a drunk and she’ll do for the role.
The girl in the prison scandle in Iraq. She looks just like him. I can’t remember her name.
You mean that England soldier at Abu Ghraib? I don’t recall her rank.
Definite resemblance to Manning.
How either of them ever got into the military mystifies me.
If a disgruntled gay Private could access all of the wikileak cables by putting a thumbdrive into a DoD computer,
THEN THE RUSSIANS AND CHINESE ALREADY HAD THEM YEARS AGO!
At that point, the only ones being kept in the dark are ordinary people.
The gay private DID US A FAVOR by demonstrating our utter lack of classified material security.
The first time I saw Manning in uniform I thought he was Lynndie England. I would like to see those two pictures posted side by side. LOL
I heard this moron speaking this on the radio. Why DONT we prosecute the New York Times for leaking secrets, and WHY DIDNT HE as a sitting member of Congress???
I wonder how he feels about blackmail? http://fxn.ws/f7E4OS
I thought only citizens of a particular nation could only be charged with treason against that nation...
Assange could be caught by us and charged with espionage but not treason.
Adults embrace truth is subjective? No, I don’t ascribe to that belief system.
I’m haven’t come to a firm opinion on the Wikileaks issue but I will say Paul has a point about the journalists who spill these secrets.
We used to call that type “Moon Pie face”
that is SOOO approprate. LOL So one is a beater and one a cheater.
The documents were classified. If a PFC of his own authority, like a vigilante, can disobey the law and his orders and decide what government secrets to release while being defended by a US Congressman, then we’re in very serious trouble. Ron Paul proved again he’s a loon.
Big bump to the top.
Remember Larry Wu-Tai Chin (金無怠)? He stole even more material than Manning, and wasn't detected for 30 years. He was probably the sloppiest successful spy in history, and the brainiacs at the CIA even gave him an intelligence medal (ironically, around the same time Red China secretly gave him one also.)
Who is hurting who?
thank you for making that point.
If freepers can't be bothered to read the details, we're in very serious trouble.
And Ron Paul does have a good point - if we aren't going to punish the US citizens at the NY Slimes for treason, why go after Assange for espionage? Equal protection is part of the law around here.
OH, excuse me. Isn’t that special. Assange is exactly the type of fellow I’d expect Ruin Paul to defend as well as Manning. Thanks for your insight.
While I'm certainly not a Paulite, I do believe that truth withheld leads to slavery.
If we are a people who embrace truth for what it is...freeing...then how can we find fault with the publishing of truth?
Having said that, I do believe that those leaks that include a diplomat's opinion of another diplomat is more gossip than the exposing of lies.
“I thought only citizens of a particular nation could only be charged with treason against that nation...
Assange could be caught by us and charged with espionage but not treason”
Read it again, real slow this time. I didn’t say anything about charging Assange with treason. He should be shot on sight though
Oh I know you weren’t saying anything about charging Assange with treason, I was responding more to what the article was saying and making the mistake that writing is not different from spoken conversation. As in....say we are in a group talking about this article...I’m listening to your comment then I chime in saying....”I thought only a citizen of a nation could be charged with treason....
My criticism was with how the article seem to suggest that the U.S. could arrest Assange for treason.
Yeah as for Assange, I agree with you...shoot on sight. Perhaps the bullet can go thru him and it would take out Soros at the same time!
>>The gay private DID US A FAVOR by demonstrating our utter lack of classified material security.<<
I have questioned for years if our security system was set up to keep Americans of foreigners from peeking. It certainly isn’t as effective as we are led to believe it is.
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