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Ron Paul doesn't disappoint: Stands up for Assange
The American Thinker Blog ^ | December 04, 2010 | Rick Moran

Posted on 12/05/2010 4:01:54 AM PST by Scanian

Well, at least he's consistent. Consistently nutty, that is:

"In a free society we're supposed to know the truth," Paul said. "In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble. And now, people who are revealing the truth are getting into trouble for it." "This whole notion that Assange, who's an Australian, that we want to prosecute him for treason. I mean, aren't they jumping to a wild conclusion?" he added. "This is media, isn't it? I mean, why don't we prosecute The New York Times or anybody that releases this?"

That's the high school freshman's take on the Wikileaks issue which is what we've come to expect from the man who wants to take us back to the gold standard and get rid of the Federal Reserve. When the rest of us grew up, we realized that "truth" was a subjective force, indeed. One man's truth is another's excuse to start a war or put a bullet in someone. Universal truth is especially elusive in foreign affairs where being totally candid is not always the best path to take in order to accomplish a goal.

No doubt Assange's spitting at authority appeals to the juvenile delinquent in Paul. But then, he was never noted for his maturity on the campaign trail as his petulance and whining during the GOP debates made clear.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: 911truthers; fulltimeapologists; julianassange; libertarian; maturity; nutty; patbuchanan; paul; paulites; rickmoron; ronpaul; skinheadsonfr; texas; wikileaks

1 posted on 12/05/2010 4:01:57 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I’ll admit I haven’t been following this story. But from what I’ve read, so far, the disclosures are embarrassing and don’t help diplomatic relations. However, IMO, the reason for that is the State Dept acts like a bunch of 6th graders calling people “names” and daring to put it in memos. Why aren’t they held to account? If my work memos included “name calling” and my boss found out, I’d be called on the carpet.

And what about the leakers...who the heck are they?

Everybody’s after the Wikileaks guy that published the info, but if someone leaked Obama’s records (BC, school, etc.) and a blogger published it, all FReepers would be cheering.

Maybe I don’t understand the real issues, as I said, not too involved in the whole story, so someone enlighten me.


2 posted on 12/05/2010 4:12:01 AM PST by dawn53
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To: Scanian

The problem here is that WikiLeaks would eagerly toss out all these American secrets...while the Russians, Chinese, Iraqis, and French kept theirs intact. Julian would then say that we were in a age of transparency...when we weren’t.

Then Julian needs various naive countries to hide him or at least allow him to do his work....in effect...protecting him, while he gives them nothing (no taxes, no revenue, no help, etc). If the citizens of these countries sat down and considered Julian’s value to them...he’d be a zero.

Finally, the impressive thing about Julian and his hiding game is that he’s like a cousin that demands access to your house, your refrigerator, your food, your internet, and your booze. It would appear that the handlers of Julian work hard at finding ladies to house him and I would speculate that Julian plays this “secret-agent” routine and how the CIA is chasing him over the ends of the Earth. Then Julian puts enough wine in front of the host....and eventually takes advantage of them (note both Swedish ladies who’ve reported his behavior).

Bluntly, he’s a loser on a mission that only hinders the US in the end.


3 posted on 12/05/2010 4:12:01 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Scanian
Cut and run will defend ANYTHING that he feels will hurt The United Stated. Especially our ability to defend ourselves.
4 posted on 12/05/2010 4:13:09 AM PST by John D
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To: Scanian
Would would Paul think about Assange publishing Paul's checking account number, user name, password, etc.

Hey, it's truth, it's just media.

5 posted on 12/05/2010 4:16:10 AM PST by ryan71 (Dear spell check - No, I will not capitalize the "m" in moslem!)
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To: dawn53

I knew the Paul article would wake a lot of FReepers up on what has been a quiet Sunday morning.

I don’t mind most of that junk being published on Wikileaks. What bothers me tremendously is leaking information that blows the cover off important espionage operations, i.e. the president of Yemen trying to ID AlQaeda in that country (against the will of the rest of his government) or negotiations to get the Pakis to turn atomic material over to the US rather than sell it to terror countries or organizations.

And Assange is nobody to judge what can be “safely” leaked and what cannot.

And, BTW, anybody who thinks his dumps have been truly indiscriminate had better think again. He surely has expunged material that could prove embarassing to countries which either finance him or shelter him.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 4:27:49 AM PST by Scanian
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To: ryan71

Well, Assange has promise a bank info dump next time. Maybe Paul’s info will be included. Who knows with that Aussie flake?


7 posted on 12/05/2010 4:30:35 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Maybe not charge Assange with treason, but definitely the queer that stole the info


8 posted on 12/05/2010 4:32:37 AM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Scanian

I wonder how long till Hollywood names Sean Penn as the star in their new movie “Wikileaks”?


9 posted on 12/05/2010 4:48:35 AM PST by Cyman
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To: Cyman

Sure...either him or johnny Depp as Assange.

Who can play Manning?

Oh, I know: Lindsay Lohan is desperate for work. Put a beret on her after a drunk and she’ll do for the role.


10 posted on 12/05/2010 4:54:08 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

The girl in the prison scandle in Iraq. She looks just like him. I can’t remember her name.


11 posted on 12/05/2010 5:07:49 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: 70th Division

You mean that England soldier at Abu Ghraib? I don’t recall her rank.

Definite resemblance to Manning.

How either of them ever got into the military mystifies me.


12 posted on 12/05/2010 5:14:51 AM PST by Scanian
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To: dawn53; Scanian

If a disgruntled gay Private could access all of the wikileak cables by putting a thumbdrive into a DoD computer,

THEN THE RUSSIANS AND CHINESE ALREADY HAD THEM YEARS AGO!

At that point, the only ones being kept in the dark are ordinary people.

The gay private DID US A FAVOR by demonstrating our utter lack of classified material security.


13 posted on 12/05/2010 5:26:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Scanian

The first time I saw Manning in uniform I thought he was Lynndie England. I would like to see those two pictures posted side by side. LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynndie_England


14 posted on 12/05/2010 5:26:48 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Scanian

I heard this moron speaking this on the radio. Why DONT we prosecute the New York Times for leaking secrets, and WHY DIDNT HE as a sitting member of Congress???


15 posted on 12/05/2010 5:32:17 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: Scanian

I wonder how he feels about blackmail? http://fxn.ws/f7E4OS


16 posted on 12/05/2010 5:34:21 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Figment

I thought only citizens of a particular nation could only be charged with treason against that nation...

Assange could be caught by us and charged with espionage but not treason.


17 posted on 12/05/2010 5:47:22 AM PST by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: Scanian

Adults embrace truth is subjective? No, I don’t ascribe to that belief system.

I’m haven’t come to a firm opinion on the Wikileaks issue but I will say Paul has a point about the journalists who spill these secrets.


18 posted on 12/05/2010 5:48:26 AM PST by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim that leans conservDeMin)
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To: 70th Division

We used to call that type “Moon Pie face”


19 posted on 12/05/2010 5:49:37 AM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

that is SOOO approprate. LOL So one is a beater and one a cheater.


20 posted on 12/05/2010 5:53:12 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Scanian

The documents were classified. If a PFC of his own authority, like a vigilante, can disobey the law and his orders and decide what government secrets to release while being defended by a US Congressman, then we’re in very serious trouble. Ron Paul proved again he’s a loon.


21 posted on 12/05/2010 6:25:35 AM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Travis McGee
THEN THE RUSSIANS AND CHINESE ALREADY HAD THEM YEARS AGO!

Big bump to the top.

Remember Larry Wu-Tai Chin (金無怠)? He stole even more material than Manning, and wasn't detected for 30 years. He was probably the sloppiest successful spy in history, and the brainiacs at the CIA even gave him an intelligence medal (ironically, around the same time Red China secretly gave him one also.)

22 posted on 12/05/2010 6:37:38 AM PST by snowsislander (Chicago-style politics at a national level is a national disgrace.)
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To: Scanian; RaceBannon; All

Who is hurting who?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2637351/posts?page=73#73


23 posted on 12/05/2010 6:45:42 AM PST by bigheadfred (STAND IN THE CLOSET AND SCREAM WITH ME...)
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To: Cyman
WikiLeaks was on Saturday Night Live last night, Hollywood can't be too far behind.
24 posted on 12/05/2010 6:50:14 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Travis McGee

thank you for making that point.


25 posted on 12/05/2010 7:52:38 AM PST by kcat
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To: elhombrelibre
Ron Paul was defending Assange, not Manning.

If freepers can't be bothered to read the details, we're in very serious trouble.

And Ron Paul does have a good point - if we aren't going to punish the US citizens at the NY Slimes for treason, why go after Assange for espionage? Equal protection is part of the law around here.

26 posted on 12/05/2010 8:12:46 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: slowhandluke

OH, excuse me. Isn’t that special. Assange is exactly the type of fellow I’d expect Ruin Paul to defend as well as Manning. Thanks for your insight.


27 posted on 12/05/2010 9:15:37 AM PST by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Scanian
"In a society where truth becomes treason, then we're in big trouble."

Profound statement.

While I'm certainly not a Paulite, I do believe that truth withheld leads to slavery.

If we are a people who embrace truth for what it is...freeing...then how can we find fault with the publishing of truth?

Having said that, I do believe that those leaks that include a diplomat's opinion of another diplomat is more gossip than the exposing of lies.

28 posted on 12/05/2010 9:51:45 AM PST by Pomosapien (Buck Religion)
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To: mdmathis6

“I thought only citizens of a particular nation could only be charged with treason against that nation...

Assange could be caught by us and charged with espionage but not treason”

Read it again, real slow this time. I didn’t say anything about charging Assange with treason. He should be shot on sight though


29 posted on 12/05/2010 11:08:23 AM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Figment

Oh I know you weren’t saying anything about charging Assange with treason, I was responding more to what the article was saying and making the mistake that writing is not different from spoken conversation. As in....say we are in a group talking about this article...I’m listening to your comment then I chime in saying....”I thought only a citizen of a nation could be charged with treason....

My criticism was with how the article seem to suggest that the U.S. could arrest Assange for treason.

Yeah as for Assange, I agree with you...shoot on sight. Perhaps the bullet can go thru him and it would take out Soros at the same time!


30 posted on 12/06/2010 5:44:16 AM PST by mdmathis6 (True enlightenment occurs when one discovers just how much like God, one is NOT!)
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To: Travis McGee

>>The gay private DID US A FAVOR by demonstrating our utter lack of classified material security.<<

I have questioned for years if our security system was set up to keep Americans of foreigners from peeking. It certainly isn’t as effective as we are led to believe it is.


31 posted on 12/06/2010 10:08:46 AM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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32 posted on 12/07/2010 7:07:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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