Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

No, The Big Banks Have Not "Paid Back" Government Bailouts and Subsidies
ZeroHedge ^ | 12/6/2010 | George Washington

Posted on 12/06/2010 10:33:00 AM PST by FromLori

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last

1 posted on 12/06/2010 10:33:09 AM PST by FromLori
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FromLori

Sure it’s all paid back. The check is in the mail...


2 posted on 12/06/2010 10:39:16 AM PST by 2dollarbill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 2dollarbill

Cue in the apologists and stepford wives to efend the Fed and the bailouts.


3 posted on 12/06/2010 10:42:06 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: GlockThe Vote
In my profession, I have to deal with the big banks. They are arrogant, unyielding, and I hate them. I hate having to deal with them.

They are deceptive in their practices and refuse to bend, even if it means they lose a customer.

I hate them! Dispise them!

4 posted on 12/06/2010 10:53:50 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: FromLori

Pyramid, Ponzi, Bubble, Peter/Paul all rolled into one-


5 posted on 12/06/2010 11:02:55 AM PST by Esther Ruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FromLori; frithguild; Lurker; azhenfud; Wolfie; UCFRoadWarrior; servantoftheservant; ...
Click through to read the court order in pdf format.

Foreclosing entities in Florida not required to follow Florida Rules of Civil Procedure 1.510 E

Actual "Order" of of FL Twentieth Judicial Circuit by the Honorable Judge James Thompson.

"Lee County is not requiring that Plaintiff's comply with Fla.R.Civ.Pro 1.510(e)"

Amazing.

6 posted on 12/06/2010 12:12:52 PM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: carton253
I hate them! Dispise them!

Same here. I hate them. I despise them. And I closed all of my accounts with them and will boycott them until they disappear. Besides not buying any GM or Chrysler product again, ever, I will never accept a check from B of A or any of the other TARP recipients. I have a list of all of them in my area, and before I do business, I make sure that the customer will offer payment that I will accept. If they won't pay cash and can't give me a check from an honest bank, I won't work for them.

7 posted on 12/06/2010 12:13:39 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: FromLori

Everbody’s pet bailout baby has “paid it back”. Just ask.


8 posted on 12/06/2010 12:17:43 PM PST by Wolfie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FromLori

Cue the circus music.

This literally will not stop until these people are brought up on racketeering charges. At this point, it is impossible to interpret the actions of the Fed and the I-Banks as anything but criminal. They obtained massive injections of public money under false pretexts. They’re using the liquidity to jack up commodity markets and starve the economy of resources.

We would be far better off if these hucksters had been put out of business rather than bailed out. Call your local congress critters and demand criminal investigations.


9 posted on 12/06/2010 12:17:57 PM PST by CowboyJay
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chunga85

Is Kemp v. Countrywide The Case That Will Bring Down Bank Of America (And RMBS)?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/kemp-v-countrywide-case-will-bring-down-bank-america-and-rmbs


10 posted on 12/06/2010 12:18:09 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
Is Kemp v. Countrywide The Case That Will Bring Down Bank Of America (And RMBS)?

I think what will bring down this mess will be insiders shorting the big banks. It's all about the money.

11 posted on 12/06/2010 12:22:49 PM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Bullish; CJ Wolf; houeto; Quix; B4Ranch; Whenifhow; Silentgypsy; blam; FromLori; Lurker; ...
Bank-bailouts-instead-of-beans-or-bullets ping.

"Economic Holocaust" ping.

Increasing volume ping list watching the slow motion Economic Holocaust.

FReepmail me if you want on or off
The Comedian's "Economic Holocaust" ping list...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

12 posted on 12/06/2010 12:32:50 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
Let's look at American history:

Except for slavery, the power of the banks versus the power of the People (Congress) to direct the money system was THE most important political issue for most of our history.

In the present circumstance, this issue arises again and is of vital importance.

It's true that allowing Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, and JP Morgan to go out of business will hurt - and the resulting collapse of debt-based money will reward some who should not be rewarded, and punish some who should not be punished.

All of that, however, is not a reason to allow private bankers to destroy what's left of our Liberty and our sovereignty.

The Third Bank of the United States and all of its satraps have to go.

Where is our Andrew Jackson?

13 posted on 12/06/2010 12:40:15 PM PST by Jim Noble (It's the tyranny, stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chunga85

(e) Form of Affidavits; Further Testimony. Supporting and opposing affidavits shall be made on personal knowledge, shall set forth such facts as would be admissible in evidence, and shall show affirmatively that the affiant is competent to testify to the matters stated therein. Sworn or certified copies of all papers or parts thereof referred to in an affidavit shall be attached thereto or served therewith. The court may permit affidavits to be supplemented or opposed by depositions, answers to interrogatories, or by further affidavits.

*******************************************************

So by not enforcing this basic protection anything the banks produce ,, unsubstantiated , worthless stuff is deemed to be A-OK ... I would say that the statement by the judge is grounds for an appeal by anyone foreclosed upon in that county.


14 posted on 12/06/2010 1:45:19 PM PST by Neidermeyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Neidermeyer
So by not enforcing this basic protection anything the banks produce ,, unsubstantiated , worthless stuff is deemed to be A-OK ... I would say that the statement by the judge is grounds for an appeal by anyone foreclosed upon in that county.

In direct conflict with the Parthenon FL Supreme Court Ruling.

Q: How many battle were lost in Florida during the Civil War?

A: None.

And the Indians never gave up.

Florida WILL be the flashpoint.

15 posted on 12/06/2010 2:01:45 PM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Chunga85

here’s the order http://mattweidnerlaw.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/order+lee+county+rule+1+510e+is+obliterated+12+2010.pdf


16 posted on 12/06/2010 2:37:56 PM PST by Neidermeyer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
Methinks da peeeple is startin to figure out just how bad the economic infrastructure has become. From 50,000 feet, the global financial system doesn't look all that good.
17 posted on 12/06/2010 2:52:05 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Chunga85
Like most Zerohedge articles, its facts are misinformative and "logic" based on thes facts is twisted. There are too many things wrong with it to count so I'll just point out a few:

First, the sources in the article are almost entirely from the left political spectrum:

Barry Ritholtz, for instance, thinks that GM bailout was orderly and a "single best decision of the bailout era" (essentially a takeover by the Government via "prepackaged bankruptcy") but the banks' "bailout" was bad and messy, and his prescription for "solving" that was the "GM treatment" for the banking industry - a government takeover of the banks via "prepackaged bankruptcy"... see Ritholtz: Too Bad Banks Missed Out On the GM Treatment...

Anybody else who thinks like that, except maybe Nobel Prize for economics winner PhD Paul Krugman? Krugman, unfortunately, was not quoted in the article (leftist bias would be too obvious?) but the leftist "PhD economists John Hussman and Dean Baker" (of "progressive" Center for Economic and Policy Research) and Clinton's economic advisor, another Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz did.

Second, the BIG banks have either already paid back TARP loans (with exorbitant interest) or have been delayed from doing it by the Treasury or FDIC Chair Sheila Bear, for supposed "capital reserves ratio maintenance" reasons... What has not been paid is coming mostly from smaller banks (BTW, "FDIC Friday's takeovers" have quieted down substantially), GM / Chrysler debacle, and some AIG assets that have not yet been sold or IPO'd.

BofA says it has satisfied TARP exit condition - Reuters / CNBC, 2010 December 05

After Citigroup and GM, Treasury Turns to AIG - CNBC, by David Faber, 2010 December 07

Fed Critics Run Risk Their Attacks Will Backfire - Financial Times / CNBC, 2010 December 06

Fed Bernanke's been right - NYP, by Terry Keenan, 2010 December 06

Third, private proprietary trading for their own accounts (mostly they do it for their customers who were paying for risk) was never a big source of income even for the investment banks, relative to their other operations. And GS, JPM and other U.S. banks have either shut down or sold their PT operations after FinReg has passed - not worth the trouble, they will make the money off their good customers (that's you and me) by charging them more in fees on formerly cheap or free services. Yes, the traders (or other professionals) are getting paid millions when they create tens or hundreds of millions in profits, that's the nature of compensation in the capitalist world - high return = high risk. When there is manipulation or insider trading, prove it and stop the individuals doing it.

Fourth, on this: Because the US government is lending money to the big banks at near-zero interest rates. And the banks are then turning around and lending that money back to the US government at 3%-4% interest rates, making 3%+ on the spread.

That's just a stupid statement from someone claiming to understand economics or banking industry... Banks have always lived off of "real rates" spreads - by getting short-term loans at smaller rate of interest (short end of the interest curve) from the Fed or other banks and taking the "rate" risk of lending them long-term (10-30 years), obviously at higher rate of return, to customers such as businesses, commercial or residential real estate... or the Treasury. That's, partially, what liquidity crisis was about - the value of long term assets on balance sheets could not be determined at the time because, in deflation, the "normal" market rules and valuations no longer applied or worked. TARP almost immediately stabilized the financial industry, without which the economy couldn't function properly.

Where do they think the banks would get the money to pay back the short-term loan if they just loaned the sum for 30 years? If you think riding a short-long term spread is "easy money" - try starting a bank... after all, you have nothing to worry about, the Fed / government / taxpayers will "bail you out" if rates or bad loan defaults rise.

We don't need to deny that the economy has a lot of problems or that "progressive" policies of the government (both Democrats and Republicans) piled up debts and unfunded mandates is not a problem, but pointing out the obvious doesn't mean we should join the leftists in misinforming and misdirecting what the sources of these problems are (a BIG government "progressive" policies) and helping them to make government even bigger by destroying private industries. Have Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders and the "Wall Street crusaders" Spitzer and Cuomo, and the newly installed unaccountable "consumer czar" Elizabeth Warren, among others, not been doing enough damage and cost good banking customers enough grief and money?

There is plenty to be mad about, but that's no reason to join hands with Bernie Sanders and Barney Frank in their "solutions" to misidentified "problems". Let's not be their dupes yet again (see Paul Kangor's just published book "DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century") and then wonder how people lose their freedoms (like Germans wondered about how they let Hitler and fascism happen... only after WWII).

Just because we are mad, we don't have to lose our minds.

18 posted on 12/07/2010 4:52:27 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FromLori
"Foreign Bailouts"

Yep, and quite a bit of that AIG money went to China.


19 posted on 12/07/2010 6:18:42 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CutePuppy
Just because we are mad, we don't have to lose our minds.

Very thoughtful post worthy of consideration. I think everyone knows we have serious problems. The tricky part will be finding solutions that are equitable...

20 posted on 12/07/2010 7:53:57 PM PST by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-22 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson