Skip to comments.I Probably Think Atheists Are Stupid
Posted on 12/23/2010 4:08:30 PM PST by The Looking Spoon
In light of Britain's Atheist Bus campaign this is probably a good time to mention I have always been a fan of the notion that I don't have enough faith to be atheist....
Apparently atheists don't have enough faith to be atheists either. There's probably no god?!? Does that mean there probably is a God?
This sets up an interesting conundrum for atheist crusaders. If they are "probably right" about there being no God then everything will go black and when we die existence for us will cease to be.
If they are "probably wrong" and there is a God then what do they think will happen to them when they have to face Him in the next life?
Basically, they're damned if they don't, and they be damned if anyone could get them to "do."
By the way, I probably think atheist are stupid.
I would also say that it's most certainly true with a high degree of probability that "probably" is code for "definitely." Its also true with definite degree of probability that "stupid" is also meant to mean "seriously screwed."
They don't believe in God, so they see no need for religion, which prompts them to start an atheist cult so they can tell the world they're "probably" right...
Meanwhile, all people of faith are the logically bankrupt ones in this equation?
How does anyone get this way? Were these people tied to a chair and fed a constant diet of paint chips and helium?
Oh, I'm sorry, am I being ridiuclous?
By the way what is it that atheists think we are consumed by that they need to tell us to "stop worrying" Because of their belief that God is in control eople of faith are truly some of the most worry free people there are.
When anyone assumes you're something that you're not they're reallly projecting their own issues on to you. Without exception the non-religious people in my life are among the most miserable people I personally know. They can't enjoy their life because they get hung up on every little thing that goes wrong in it.
They sweat the small stuff because they don't think there is anything to look forward to after this life. So they want to get while the gettin' is good, and they're never satisfied. They don't know what people of faith know...nothing material in this life can provide permanent or lasting happiness better than faithfulness to God.
This Christmas will be spent as it should be, celebrating the birth of the Son of God, and I'll be doing so happily, because believing in God makes my life more enjoyable.
I'm not going to worry about people who spend their lives WORRIED about making sure people knew that life PROBABLY has no point.
Honestly atheists, I don't care what you want to believe...but please just go find a dark sound-proof closet that you can "play dead" in, and stop trying to be a bummer to people who want to play in the light.
On a side note, I thought this was a pretty brilliant retort from Neil Stevens over at Red State, I don't think they'd take it well...
As another observation, I find it interesting that they suppose that those of us who believe in God are ‘worried.”
Why would I be worried?
Are Christians, or deists of any stripe, known for worrying?
I find Jesus to be an extremely reassuring presence in my life. Worrying is what happens if I am NOT trusting in Him.
How you got that conclusion from my statement below is an actual mystery. It seems to me that my position is quite indifferent to your beliefs
Your beliefs are your own business; mine are mine. The evidence it seems you accept is not something I accept. You are free to make your own decisions as am I"
Also, upon further thought, why do they presuppose I am not enjoying my life?
I guess they think I have to be wicked to be happy. What nonsense.
The fact you have a need to state something says something.
“More than anything, it speaks to the poor, inadequate way the Christian message is being delivered to the folks who started this campaign. Seems to me like the promise of eternal life and bliss would make any but the most perverse joyful at the prospect.”
I don’t know that I would blame the givers of the gospel for its misinterpretation.
Think of Jesus, as He preached, did everyone accept the gospel with joy and bliss?
Not at all, I don’t think there was anything wrong with His presentation.
This is the devil’s approach, to insinuate things (like worry or jealousy) which weren’t there until he came.
Bok! Bok! Bok! Bok! Ba-CAW! Bok! Bok!
There is no proof. As it is taught in many parts of the Bible, no one can prove the existence of God. It is purely an act of faith to believe that the Christian God is real.
But here's the other side of the coin, if there was proof, why would we need to have faith?
I regret that respect for another person's differing position is a foreign or difficult concept for you
Since we agree on that, let me explain that I have no need to prove that Jim Robinson exists. I can easily demonstrate that someone who goes by that name hosts a site I frequent and that is enough proof for me.
Do you have a point to make? Hints are for kids
There is an interesting justification for atheism, at least *temporary* atheism, that should be considered by people of faith.
“What if I am practicing my faith in such an unbelievably bad way, that it is actually *worse* than if I was an atheist?” That is, “if God exists, he would be less angry with me if I was an atheist than if I keep practicing my faith the way I am doing so now.”
There is some strong religious doctrine that actually makes this a valid point.
It brings up the question of what is the right way and the wrong way to address God. And there has been some powerful speculation from some deeply religious people on this subject. For example:
1) Do I worship God because He will reward me if I do, and punish me if I don’t? (i.e. “God as lady luck.”)
2) Suffering is always a choice. Life is full of good, bad, and indifferent things, yet it is your choice to live with that, or suffer about it. Is heaven offended by indulgent suffering?
3) Do I use God as an excuse to avoid taking responsibility for my decisions? Importantly, am I strong enough to accept responsibility for my life without using God as a crutch, even if God wants me to help myself?
4) Do I try to force the world into the little, tiny framework I have in my head, based on the minimal knowledge I have of God, my religion, and my faith? How petty is my worldview, really?
5) The Greeks and Romans anthropomorphized their gods into petty, bickering, childish humans. Do I think of God like that, or as an abstract that cannot be imagined or described?
6) Fanatics of all kinds share one thing in common. Their fanaticism masks their own deep doubts about their faith. So do I use my faith to oppress others? Am I critical of those who follow their own path to faith and understanding?
“it is not possible for humans to prove that God exists.”
I disagree with you. Since we are all made in God’s image, our very presence is proof of God’s existence.
Only if I get to sit next to this "bright" guy:
PS, wish I was never born...
I mainly work with liberal atheists. I love to talk politics and some spirituality with them. Almost to a person I find them to be very fragile emotionally. You wouldn’t suspect that from dealing with them on a surfacy level. They like to look down their noses at conservative Christians but they live in their own dream world. Nothing enters that causes them to be uncomfortable. Then they project that I must be miserable due to the topics I bring up. When I tell them I think it’s interesting or even fascinating they don’t believe me.
I also find they’re quick to anger when you offer a different opinion or belief and stand your ground. The thing is I don’t get angry with them, I’m interested in finding out the reasoning behind their beliefs. Believe me, there’s never too many layers to peel back. :) People are strange.
I believe we are made in His image, but Scripture teaches very clearly:
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. - John 1:18, KJV.
My belief in Jesus being my LORD will never be based on any temporary physical objects or events... but by faith alone.
It isn't. I don't
Yes, I don’t mean to say that if you see a person, you see God.
However, the same Scripture that says no man has seen God at any time also says we are made in God’s image. That means something.
We couldn’t be made in His image if He didn’t exist, obviously. So I believe we ourselves are evidence of His existence.
This is why it is so preposterous when a person, made in God’s image, sitting in His universe, where the gracious heavens declare the glory of our God, using the breath God gave him, the intelligence and working mouth parts all working together, -
declares God does not exist! That is why Scripture calls this man a fool! Because God’s existence is so incredibly obvious.
Which of us makes himself? Who created love, conscience, joy? At what point does life come from non-life? And where did that non-living matter come from? Etc. It is amazing to me that anyone denies the obvious fact of the existence of God.
Because they are not enjoying their lives? Simple projection.
When you are walking down the street in an inner city neighborhood at 3 AM there probably is no gang banger in that alley up ahead so stop worrying and enjoy life.
Since when is a court a place where proof is involved? Pontius Pilate was a court. He found no fault in Jesus. Yet he crucified him.
If courts involved proof. There would be no appeal.
I was for a time in my youth an agnostic/atheist and I never really felt any need to discuss the matter.
I never felt the need to tell children there is no Santa and I felt no desire to tell people there is no God.
So why do the atheist behind this ad campaign feel the need to expend money (which I would wager is a substantial amount) arguing for the belief that God doesnt exist. What benefit can they derive from convincing a few people that God does not exist?
You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of logic. All logical statements have to start somewhere. That start involves axioms. Axioms are unprovable(within the system being used), since they are the foundation upon which you build. Therefore, EVERYONE has faith. Plus Kurt Gödel established "that for any self-consistent recursive axiomatic system powerful enough to describe the arithmetic of the natural numbers (Peano arithmetic), there are true propositions about the naturals that cannot be proved from the axioms. " There are unprovable things apart from the axioms.
“Because they are not enjoying their lives? Simple projection. “
Absolutely. They can’t imagine a happy Christian.
I could NOT have put that better.
You’re 100% right, they’re not getting the Christian message. I was indeed trying to be a little silly about calling Atheists stupid. However, it can’t be denied that there is a....lack....of intelligence so to speak to people who view the world that way.
Perhaps it comes after making their decision on God, I don’t know, but after watching Ben Stein get their prophet Richard Dawkins to make a complete fool of himself in his documentary “Expelled” the matter has been pretty well settled with me.
Did I set up this post to force people to GO to my blog to read it....
Relax or move on....and Merry Christmas :-)
Thats fair enough. I will pose this to you: At some point the question has to be answered “how did something come from nothing?”
The notion there is a supreme creator is something even Dawkins has loosely conceded to be possible.
Well, as the Scripture also states:
“Knowledge will grow but wisdom will diminish”
I have no idea what drives atheists but it does seem to me that, to a much greater degree, religious people seem to need to convince others of their belief and get them to join their particular faith.
Door number 1?
Oh gosh, I DON’T KNOW!
Humans have been very adroit in creating non-existant gods and goddesses. Viewing that history has made me a bit chary, I guess. But then, I am a sucker for empirical evidence.
Sort of but then again, you have no proof of any kind, do you? I mean, anything besides a book that has only itself to recommend itself. Sort of circular logic there isn't it?
That would be true of Christianity because our religious text tell us to do so out of concern for others future in the after life. But it is not true of religions such as Judaism and Shintoism (several native American religions will not permit non-natives to join).
But Atheist do not (as far as I know) have such a motivating religious text or altruistic motive.
Are you familiar with any of Christian scripture?
I think you would find your questions to be answered/moot if you were familiar with it AND you understood what you were reading.
That’s my two cents :-)
Hopefully you’re being sarcastic...but since I have no reason to believe that I’ll ask have you ever been to a church service or studied the Bible to any degree?
Are you a parent? If so, have you ever had your kids ask for/demand something, and you said no...not because you couldn’t do it...but because you knew “no” was for their own good?
If not, can you think of a time your parents did that for you?
How is this relationship any different when God is part of the equation?
Is His job really to prevent life from “sucking” for anyone?
OK. I'm just pointing out that logic is not the end-all since it depends on axioms, beliefs. Empirical evidence is only true for the immediate situation. It is logic that provides the implication to allow the empirical evidence to be applied outside the immediate. Yet logic presumes axioms.
Are you a mind reader? For a logical person you must be, since you need proof and yet you assert that I have no proof of any kind(at least the implication is there). Yes I do have EVIDENCE, not proof. But to you, I believe, it would be coincidence. But I will relate it anyway.(and it is one of many)
One day I was held over after a meeting in Oklahoma City. I was there from Virginia where I normally work. I did go to OK City a few times a year. I wanted to leave the meeting immediately to avoid traffic. As I said I was held up. On my way out I went to an ATM to withdraw money which I never did at those times since I was going home and did not need the spending money. I don't know what prompted me to do so. As I drove to the airport I decided to travel a different longer route to avoid the traffic from the city. As I travelled the route and joined the leg parallel to my intended route, I noticed a car that looked exactly like my sister's car. Well my sister lives in Arizona not Oklahoma, but it was my sister. I waved and got her attention. We pulled off of the freeway into a nearby restaurant and greeted each other. Amazed at the coincidence we chatted for a while before I had to leave to catch my plane. I sensed something about my sister and asked if she needed money. She said yes, she had been worried since she did not have any money and had prayed about it. I gave her the $100 I had withdrawn.
I think that it mostly conceit. They like to think themselves intellectually superior to the religious.
The ad campaign is an IN Your Face childish taunt to the Christians during their holiday.
>> Numbers of believer is not proof. Long-standing belief is not proof.
Correct. It’s akin to the axiom upon which proofs are constructed.
The underpinnings of every proof ultimately meet the wall of indefensible truth, that which you accept as a given truth of rational thought.
The devil respects God, yet disobeys.
He’s lucky he had the chance.
Not everyone is so fortunate.
THX. Will check it out.
May you be at peace and somehow more healed and restored in this flood of food season . . . Lord, you know my Sister’s needs.
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