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Understanding The Hegelian Dialect Is To Understand Our Slow Road Towards Tyranny
Kjos Ministries ^ | October 2005 | Niki Raapana and Nordica Friedrich

Posted on 12/28/2010 10:06:06 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS

The political landscape in America over the past several decades can be explained simply through the lens of the Hegelian Dialectic.

Thesis (Liberal Agenda) Anti Thesis(Republican politicians) Synthesis(Liberals along with RINOS pass statist agenda).

This is why the establishment Republicans fight tooth and nail for candidates like Mike Castle, Lisa Murkowski and John McCain; they are the ones who will help deliver the synthesis in the name of compromise which in the end strips us of more and more of our liberties.

The last thing the GOP leadership needs are more Conservatives who will make it much more difficult for them to hide their true intentions, greed, power and ideology.(Attacks on Demint perfect example).

As long as McConnell, Cornyn and Boehner have enough RINOS around they can pose as phony Conservatives while blaming the so called mavericks for voting along liberal lines.( They do this through a RINO voting rotation).

Notice that over the years you hear very little of suspended or pulled chairmanships from those who vote in direct opposition to the Constitution, constituents and party leadership on major pieces of legislation.

No, in fact during the primaries, these are the same politicians that the leadership in many cases pour millions of dollars along with other resources to defeat the same type of Conservatives they claim to be.

In many ways, I believe since Bush 41, we have had a one party system, that acts out this process over and over again stripping Americans of more and more of their liberties and freedoms while claiming compromise and moderation.

Please take a look at the link I think they do a much better job of explaining the slow process of spreading the statist agenda.

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm


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1 posted on 12/28/2010 10:06:08 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm


2 posted on 12/28/2010 10:06:36 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

“ALL POWER CORRUPTS” Lord Acton

Everyone of us are prone to protect our own ideas and position. We begin with principles but as soon as we achieve just a little power, influences begin to manipulate us and the corruption begins to creep in. NO politician can live up to our expectations over time. We remain comparatively uncorrupted over the same time frame, not experiencing the same temptations as do they.

Washington politicians have it the worst. Living away from the moral and conservative influences of their friend’s and supporters, they are overwhelmed with temptation as no other; pride, money, power, flattery, position; wanting to be liked by the press, the bureaucrats, legislative colleagues; wanting to please their spouse and children who want THEM to be liked by others so THEY will be liked by others, eventually to be motivated by their own legacy.

This is why even a conservative hero like Reagan was far more principled and far more conservative in the beginning of his first term than at the end of his second; why one time conservative legislators are today’s RINOs and why yesterday’s conservative Justices of the SCOTUS are today’s moderates. “The temptations are too powerful for someone who already has a fairly large ego anyway, to be uninfluenced.

Pigs don’t know pigs stink. After a while a once conservative senator doesn’t notice he’s become a RINO. McCain really does think he’s a conservative. In his own mind, he compares himself to the others that he works with every day in the Washington and the national politically liberal cesspool. It’s human. The conservatives we respect most are fairly new to national politics, or they have VERY strong personal religious commitments. We’ll see if their conservatism can survive it.

Makes for a strong rationale for term limits for ANY federal job, elected, appointed or otherwise.


3 posted on 12/28/2010 10:14:37 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: DWar

Another point to my thesis, is how the GOP refuses to close elections to Republicans only in many states allowing the unions and liberal groups the power to select our candidate.

The goal of the statist is to have no real choice on election day, they win either way which was the case in 2008.


4 posted on 12/28/2010 10:22:33 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

good article.


5 posted on 12/28/2010 10:27:23 PM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Reddy

Thanks please pass it on...


6 posted on 12/28/2010 10:28:28 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS
GOP refuses to close elections to Republicans

You mean primary elections, yes?

7 posted on 12/28/2010 10:28:34 PM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: DWar

Well put.


8 posted on 12/28/2010 10:29:30 PM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: DWar

Well yes, I went on to say that the left chooses our candidate and if I meant the primary, well then I would be a very,very bad person.

Sorry for confusion.


9 posted on 12/28/2010 10:33:09 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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10 posted on 12/28/2010 10:39:59 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS
In the Hegelian model, there is actually scant room for "synthesis," or "compromise." Rather, one point of view will overcome an opposing POV by logical force.

Therefore your post brilliantly explains, IMHO, why the GOP is a useless political apparatus in the present time. They seek compromise, while the Left does not. One cannot play by Aristotle's rules when the other team is using Hegel's!

A political application of Hegelian principles might be for a politician to declare, or even actually cause, a crisis or a problem that only he can solve by offering the only apparent solution!

The Hegelian Dialectic is the philosophical precursor of the Marxist Dialectic. Hegel is the strategist behind Alinsky's tactics.

11 posted on 12/28/2010 10:59:13 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive fools in office. It cannot long survive the fools who elect them.)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

The RINOS are fighting to be in charge of the mess and get more of the Loot. Not to change it.


12 posted on 12/29/2010 12:09:13 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

It looks like you are no longer falling for the good cop bad cop routine.


13 posted on 12/29/2010 12:10:37 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

I believe that socialism will undo the human progress that Capitalism has brought to mankind. Your examination of the Hegelian Dialectic is like a scientist looking at a killer virus through his microscope. The Hegelian Dialectic is that killer virus that will so disrupt man’s necessary progress for survival, that man’s future is in great danger. For only through the wealth of Capitalism will come those innovations that ensure man’s survival.
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14 posted on 12/29/2010 1:46:00 AM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS
To understand Hegel, you have to read The Phenomenology of Mind. The writers of this article obviously did not. Hegel was a true philosopher, and was trying to understand how the human mind worked and how humans interacted socially. He had no agenda beyond the acquisition of knowledge and trying to describe how humans thought and interacted with each other. Some of his disciples (Neitzsche, Freud, and Marx) had an agenda. He did not, except human understanding.

I studied 19th Century German philosophers and have a degree in Philosophy. Hegel was brilliant in advancing philosophy around the human mind.

At the societal level, he believed, that there was a social consciousness (which he called Absolute Spirit) that was kind of an aggregation of individual consciousnesses in a given society, and the way it solved problems was the same as the way individual consciousnesses did, using the dialectic method. That is where Freud got the notion of the id, ego, and superego.

This guy, although an idealist, posed many questions and provided answers that have still not been addressed in any other way (my favorite was the notion of how we became aware of our own existence in a societal setting).

I remember our professor (who was brilliant) spent an entire week on two sentences of the Phenomenology of Mind to allow us to understand where this guy was coming from. And noone to this day has provided better theories on many of these issues. He was almost Einstein brilliant in his approaches to understanding and modeling human consciousness and behaviour at the societal level, but because of his idealism, was unable to convert it into anything that could change the world, except to describe it.

In his defense, noone has thus far been able to change basic human nature through understanding for any significant period of time. And that was never his intention anyway.

In Phenomenology, he analyzed art and culture throughout history to describe mans evolution of his own consciousness based on how he perceived his place in nature and how the dialectic process advanced man's understanding of the world around him, as well as how man interacted socially. His analysis of the Sphinx (half man, half animal), was just one of many fascinating insights he had in the evolution of human consciousness.
15 posted on 12/29/2010 1:58:26 AM PST by microgood
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To: Kenny Bunk
They seek compromise, while the Left does not. One cannot play by Aristotle's rules when the other team is using Hegel's!

Even at 5 years old, my little brother was smarter than the average GOP member. He and his friend were arguing and his friend told him, "I'm going to hit you, but don't you hit mr back".

My brother instinctively knew this was not a good proposition and assured him that if it came to hitting, he would get his licks in. Today's GOP seems to think it is an acceptable "compromise".

Liberalism isn't the only menatl disease in our politics - the GOP seems every bit as deranged and suicidal.

16 posted on 12/29/2010 5:27:06 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: DWar
Makes for a strong rationale for term limits for ANY federal job, elected, appointed or otherwise.

It's a good rational not just for term limits, but for limiting the amount of time any representative can spend in DC. Three months a year should be plenty of time to get a budget together. Most legislation is completely unnecessary--really, what's the use of passing a few thousand new laws per year, when we're not enforcing the laws already on the books? The rest of the time can be spent back at the district, around those whom the representative is elected to represent.

17 posted on 12/29/2010 6:07:01 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

sfl


18 posted on 12/29/2010 6:19:06 AM PST by phockthis
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To: screaminsunshine

No, I am embarrassed to say, I have been one of those drones until recently.


19 posted on 12/29/2010 7:17:13 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: trebb; microgood
See Post 15 above.

Hegel's insights were not some diabolical world take-over plot, but a look into the human mind, available as tools to thinkers of any political party or belief system.

It has always amazed me that the official GOP, in addition to an almost complete denial of an ideological base, refuses to use anything but day-to-day thinking. Deal makers, not policy shapers.

The party of Big Business? No. More like the party that operates like a weather dependent, event-driven hot dog cart vendor who isn't too sure of the worth of the product and can't figure out on which street or parking lot to best set up shop. In addition, GOP campaign PR and Advertising, under the direction of "men of genius" like Karl Rove, at a cost of many hundreds of millions, would disgrace a used car dealer in a town of 5,000.

20 posted on 12/29/2010 7:18:46 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive fools in office. It cannot long survive the fools who elect them.)
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To: microgood

I disagree, the article I posted was written by two brilliant people, who understand how this process is being implemented in American politics today.


21 posted on 12/29/2010 7:20:31 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: Kenny Bunk
Sorry I don't buy the whole Republicans are tone death, incompetence argument.

Its the American people who don't get the fact that these people are working with the Democrats to politically destroy all Conservatives and offer us no choices on election day.

Listen to the statements from this man, who had great influence in both Bush administrations. Add to that the who's who from the Republican party that were and are members of Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations.

http://dailybail.com/videos/henry-kissinger-talks-about-the-new-world-order-bushs-legacy.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Council_on_Foreign_Relations

22 posted on 12/29/2010 7:33:46 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: microgood

Sorry, this psychobabble drips of pure liberalism; perfection through debate and compromise.

The way I see it the more we compromise our founding document, the less perfect our nation becomes.

We are evolving into a tyranny, not out of one.

Americans are becoming less educated, not more.


23 posted on 12/29/2010 7:43:56 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: Kenny Bunk

Thanks


24 posted on 12/29/2010 7:45:36 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: sauropod

mark


25 posted on 12/29/2010 7:52:07 AM PST by sauropod (The truth shall make you free but first it will make you miserable.)
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To: microgood

http://www.womensgroup.org/998NEWLT.html


26 posted on 12/29/2010 8:12:16 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS
Sorry I don't buy the whole Republicans are tone deaf, incompetence argument.

I don't think so, either. What the official GOP has decided to do is "make hay while the Sun shines." That is, occupy enough safe seats to make sure that their major contributors are well positioned with their hay in the barn, for that inevitable time when the Sun sets.

Think back to The Revolution. About 25-30% of the colonists supported it, about 1-2% actually fought for it. Another 30% of the people wanted to keep the King, and the rest hung around to see what was going to happen. And that's the way the electorate breaks down today. 35% reliable Republicans, 40% reliable Democrats, and the rest "independents," i.e., people who have no clue about what's going on but just want to survive and will apparently vote for whomever promises them the most.

The GOP will jettison any ideology that they think will hurt their appeal to Group C. I do not deny the Tea Party's power. But they are still a distinct minority and b the cold light of dawn, will not have the legislative vote-power to shape events over the next two years. That will not prevent them for being blamed for them; blamed that is, by BOTH the Democrats and the GOP.

27 posted on 12/29/2010 8:30:46 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive fools in office. It cannot long survive the fools who elect them.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Agreed


28 posted on 12/29/2010 8:32:31 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: Kenny Bunk
Think back to The Revolution. About 25-30% of the colonists supported it, about 1-2% actually fought for it. Another 30% of the people wanted to keep the King, and the rest hung around to see what was going to happen.

That must be some sort of estimate across all the colonies, because it doesn't apply here in northwestern NC. Everybody I knew grewing up was descended from settlers in the colonial era, and everybody had a Revolutionary War veteran in the family tree, sometimes more than that. I have seven. The Tories were all routed out back then, either killed or run off from the country, their properties seized and sold to defray war expenses.

29 posted on 12/29/2010 8:34:53 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

Each compromise with the left moves us further to the left of center. The republican party is the party of compromise and the democratic socialist never compromise. The dialectic has worked to perfection for America’s demise. Having just experienced the murkowski debacle close hand it is impossible to deny that Hegel is alive and well in Alaska.


30 posted on 12/29/2010 8:47:47 AM PST by strongbow
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To: RegulatorCountry

Yes, I think his numbers are off, he Hegeled me.


31 posted on 12/29/2010 8:57:39 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: strongbow

Money and influence in Washington always flows away from the special interest group called “the American citizen and tax payer” and towards leftist and international organizations.


32 posted on 12/29/2010 9:03:06 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: exDemMom

Well said.


33 posted on 12/29/2010 9:47:35 AM PST by DWar ("The ultimate destination of Political Correctness is totalitarianism.")
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS
I disagree, the article I posted was written by two brilliant people, who understand how this process is being implemented in American politics today.

They may be brilliant about some things, but they do not know jack about Hegel. He was a true philosopher, not an ideologist as they claim. He had no agenda except pursuit of knowledge. Blaming Hegel for modern liberalism is like blaming Christianity for Hitler.
34 posted on 12/29/2010 11:15:19 AM PST by microgood
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To: microgood

You miss the point, but it would take too long to explain to someone like yourself.

Cheers


35 posted on 12/29/2010 11:17:51 AM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

Hegel was presented to me as a philosopher who sought to understand the evolution of the political process. We only spent one lecture on the subject, but I’ve always remembered Forrest McDonald drawing on the board as he showed the Hegelian Dialectic via diagram. Forrest was quite the radical historian. :-)


36 posted on 12/29/2010 11:49:24 AM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS
When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal.

I was being nice, but if your authors believe this statement which I took from the article, they are complete idiots. They haven't a clue what motivated Hegel or anything else about his philosophy. Period.

Cheers
37 posted on 12/29/2010 12:27:02 PM PST by microgood
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To: microgood

You are a perfect example of how professors (highly intelligent) indoctrinate their students; portraying marxist philosophers as Gods.

Sorry my friend, but the concept of appeasement, collective thinking, utopianism and compromise is 100% Marx, which is why so many have chosen this process to gradually implement totalitarianism on a society.

This also explains why your professor spent so much time cramming it into your brain.

Hope you see the light.

Cheers


38 posted on 12/29/2010 12:42:29 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: petitfour

Well one lecture thats a good thing. Sounds to me you have avoided at least some aspects of the brainwashing and propaganda that is rampant throughout most college campuses.


39 posted on 12/29/2010 12:51:03 PM PST by RINOS ARE RADICALS
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

That lecture was almost 20 years ago, and Dr. McDonald has retired. :(


40 posted on 12/29/2010 1:19:33 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Hegel's insights were not some diabolical world take-over plot, but a look into the human mind, available as tools to thinkers of any political party or belief system.

Well said. He was not right about many things but was in objective pursuit of human knowledge about human consciousness and thought.
41 posted on 12/29/2010 2:21:55 PM PST by microgood
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS

A variant on the Hegelian dialectic is Lenin’s dictum. Two steps forward, one step back. Thus even in retreat they have won because it is only a half step back, they then move forward another two steps. The result is they are always several steps ahead in their plans. Only a revolution can reverse course after that.


42 posted on 12/29/2010 3:39:26 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: RINOS ARE RADICALS; microgood; petitfour
No fair blaming Marx on Hegel. What Marx did was sort of turn some of Hegel's observations into a sort of a simplified "technology" for political action. If anything, Hegel was more or less apolitical.

This, IMHO, is one probable reason why Marx has been so attractive to the immature. He's simple. Hegel wasn't. The great triumph of the Marxists is that they have been able to lead so many, including key members of the GOP, into thinking that compromise with them is some sort of possibility.

Today's Republicans are playing a crude sort of weak 1917 Kerensky Government to the well organized Marxist-Leninists of the Obama Regime. As an example, I offer the very lame performance offered by the GOP during this Lame Duck session.

I pray that they wake the Hell up. We don't have time for this.

43 posted on 12/29/2010 6:38:22 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive fools in office. It cannot long survive the fools who elect them.)
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