Skip to comments.Good news: Study confirms that college is pretty much a total waste of time
Posted on 01/19/2011 8:24:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
You dont even need to read the article; just follow the link and check out the graph in the left-hand sidebar. Whats tuition up to these days at private universities, parents? About $30-35,000?
Nearly half of the nations undergraduates show almost no gains in learning in their first two years of college, in large part because colleges dont make academics a priority, a new report shows.
Instructors tend to be more focused on their own faculty research than teaching younger students, who in turn are more tuned in to their social lives, according to the report, based on a book titled Academically Adrift:
Limited Learning on College Campuses. Findings are based on transcripts and surveys of more than 3,000 full-time traditional-age students on 29 campuses nationwide, along with their results on the Collegiate Learning Assessment, a standardized test that gauges students critical thinking, analytic reasoning and writing skills. After two years in college, 45% of students showed no significant gains in learning; after four years, 36% showed little change.
Students also spent 50% less time studying compared with students a few decades ago, the research shows. Despite learning a little bit of jack and a whole lot of squat, students in the survey nonetheless managed a 3.2 GPA on average according to the studys author, which tells you most of what you need to know about grade inflation and the rigors of modern higher learning. Another fun detail from the same study via McClatchy: Many of the students graduated without knowing how to sift fact from opinion, make a clear written argument or objectively review conflicting reports of a situation or event, according to New York University sociologist Richard Arum, lead author of the study. The students, for example, couldnt determine the cause of an increase in neighborhood crime or how best to respond without being swayed by emotional testimony and political spin
The studys authors also found that large numbers of students didnt enroll in courses requiring substantial work. In a typical semester, a third of students took no courses with more than 40 pages of reading per week. Half didnt take a single course in which they wrote more than 20 pages over the semester.
If you think false media narratives are easily absorbed now, wait until the Leaders of Tomorrow graduate and take their place in society. I keep thinking that the combination of a poor economy and ludicrous higher-education costs will solve this problem to some degree by re-normalizing the idea of entering the labor force after high school. If youre a kid whos unenthused about incurring a mountain of debt for the privilege of four more years of study with no guarantee of finding a job afterward to fund the repayment, why not pound the pavement for an entry-level/trainee position somewhere instead? The pay will be rotten to start and the lack of a diploma will make some future employers think twice, but in the meantime youre debt-free and building skills and if Im right about re-normalization, the no diploma stigma will fade a bit culturally over time. The one flaw in my theory: Er, there are no entry-level jobs out there for kids, are there?
Something to inspire you while you ponder. Mild content warning.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
True enough - there will always be people who cheat with fake degrees, but earning a real degree in any major is an accomplishment for most people, and required for most good jobs.
University of Youtube —— LOL!
From my own personal experiences and observations, college is less about learning and/or thinking than it is about regurgitation of the information selected by liberal instructors or professors. These people only want to see that you can parrot the things they believe are important.
Describes what I have seen too often.
I refuse to kiss anyone’s ass. It sickens me seeing the lying, lazy, and (often liberal) the lame get rewarded for it and the honest, working, responsible type get sucker punched.
I once worked for a guy who might have had a 6th grade education who turned spell check off on purpose, didn’t trust it. The junior super (50 year old with a spoiled brat 5 year old temper - had no real experience) was a professional ass kisser. He got away with all kinds of things as he kissed the 6th grader and the little lord aboves ass to no end.
50 yr old resented me because I didn’t play the game, knew more, was well liked by most producers/directors/staff because I was reliable, wasn’t dependent on anyone, married into a somewhat prominent local family, and treated people like people.
The guy lived to tell people what to do. Take that away and that would negate his whole purpose of being. He loved chasing people around with a form or report. Another thing was that 50 year old had to know every detail of everyone’s life so he could inform little lord above. He probably made stuff up to.
I finally left a few years back. It was about 6 mos later word got to me about how getting even simple things done around there was hard. It wasn’t that tough a job.
50 year old said often enough he was going to stay on to at least 65. I have heard now that he believes he can retire in the next few months. Actually having to work, be accountable, and taking orders is too much.
No hope for me going back as the place is very likely going to be really downsized, possibly done away with if it isn’t privatized as my friends there tell me.
“earning a real degree in any major is an accomplishment for most people, and required for most good jobs.”
I agree and there seems to be a lot of class envy on this thread. A local oil and gas company recently hired a newly minted petroleum engineering grad with a starting salary of $95k per annum.
College is USELESS unless one has some real-life work experience first.
Youtube has gotten to be the “go to” resource for me. From computer issues to lawn mower repair, I always seem to be able to find a helpful video.
I don’t believe college is a waste of time. The price is way to high; buy waste of time, no.
Bingo! You are 100% correct. I was talking to my son about this tonight. He tried to give a friend’s son a job working for him at his internet company. This young man was a four year university graduate with a degree in web design and electronic media.
My son couldn’t hire the young man because he didn’t know anything about the work that my son required. He told my son that what little he had learned happened early in his course work and he didn’t remember any of it. Much of what he had learned and remembered was out of date. He had gone to school on scholarships so he was not loaded down with debt, but he has been sitting at home playing video games since he was graduated.
My son refused to blame the school. He said some kids go to college doing no more than what they are told to do and expect that to be good enough to get them somewhere. Some kids go to college, take the easiest classes they can find to graduate, and don’t even try to apply themselves. Other kids have a passion to learn about a subject so they listen to their professors, and look in libraries, on line: Youtube and peer to peer sites, any where they can for information on the topics that interest them. These students are the ones who will be successful graduates.
If you go to college without any ambition and think you can waste four years, get a degree, and have companies begging you to work for them, you’ve got a problem in this day and age. That expensive piece of paper has less importance in the information age.
this is a good idea, and it worked for me... i was ready by then to take college seriously, especially because i was working full time while going to school...
I learned how to replace my laptop keyboard from Dell by watching a video on Youtube. It was the same exact model in the Youtube vid.
Exactly. When I went to university, the prerequisite to my major in Business Management was...poetry 101. I had no clue how you can apply Walt Whitman or Emily Dickinson to financial analysis 106.
My husband, on the other hand, was well into a masters program when he realized he didn't want anything to do with higher education, professionally speaking. He was there because it was what others expected of him. He was miserable. He ended up becoming a firefighter and couldn't be happier. Every student loan payment he made he'd grumble about how he'd wasted so much time and money at school, but I think he got a lot out of it, intellectually speaking, he just doesn't want to admit it.
The main problem with higher education today, to me, is that it's way over priced and students are more indoctrinated then ever. Those who can think for themselves become conservatives, those that swallow everything they're told hook, line and sinker are a large portion of the student body that will always unfortunately vote democrat.
Oh, and yes I am replying to myself, but I’d like to add that my husband has just as many “smart” firefighter friends as he has “smart” PhD friends. They both have different skills and experiences, but the “educated elite” are often not so educated or elite! They just think they are and know what’s best for the rest of us.
I completed my BA in Business Admin/Finance in the early 70s after two years in the Army, in Germany.
I went further, starting grad school while working full time in a job that required a Bachelors degree.
During grad work, I studied economics, writing a paper comparing post WWII West vs. East German economic performance.
This is how I became an economic conservative, in time for the 1976 emergence of Reagan as a viable candidate.
Sadly the GOP over time lost the connection to solid free market philosophy of Reagan, instead of adopting crony capitalism and socialism lite.
My hope is the new Republican majority will take up where Reagan left off.
College was very worthwhile for me, but I regret not finishing my MBA—I was already fast tracking up the promotion ladder, so I thought at the time.
You can get what you want from higher education, as with many aspects of life. It is no substitute for solid experience.
Our daughter just graduated from a private, Christian college and her experience is the opposite of what is reported in this article. Christian parents need to realize that the public system of education, including that from most government universities, is worthless. Sure, private institutions are expensive, but your student WILL get an EDUCATION rather than an INDOCTRINATION.
That’s different from my son’s course.
He graduated in 2010 in mechanical engineering. I looked at each semester’s courses and there were no electives. The engineering course was engineering.
He may have had his choice of one or two engineering courses, but in the main there were no fillers.
He also took his initial professional exam.
Waiting on those scores.
*Still does not have a job.
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