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There’s Something Deeply Wrong with the Birth Certificate Narrative
Horowitz's News Real ^ | 1/24/11 | Bookworm

Posted on 01/24/2011 11:09:07 AM PST by pissant

Something doesn’t add up here:

Back in June 2008, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned short form of his Hawaii birth certificate. When people questioned the scanning, a few carefully chosen media types were invited to attest to the underlying long-form document’s authenticity, including FactCheck.org:

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

FactCheck included pictures of a real document purporting to be a genuine long-form Hawaiian “Barack Hussein Obama” birth certificate.

Recently, the new Hawaii governor announced that he’s now going to make publicly available to all Americans, not just a few media partisans, the original long form birth certificate. One problem: He says that he can’t find the darn thing. Fortunately for Abercrombie’s abortive effort, the New York Times has reminded him of the same law Obama relied on in 2008 to keep his originalbirth certificate out of sight: only the birth child himself can release a Hawaiian birth certificate.

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It stnks to high heaven, just like the commie bastard usurper himself.
1 posted on 01/24/2011 11:09:08 AM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Yep, considering the tendency of people to flap their jaws and sell out to the highest bidder, a hell of a lot of energy is going in suppressing this thing.

My bet is there’s something on the official BC they don’t want the world to see, but not necessarily the place of birth. Maybe the race of the baby was states as “Caucausian” for example. If you were a white family with a kid that’s half and half in ‘62, which would you put down?


2 posted on 01/24/2011 11:16:30 AM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Father: Frank Marshall Davis


3 posted on 01/24/2011 11:17:13 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

The Soetoro adoption was annulled in 1971 when Obama Sr. complained he, the paternal parent, was not properly notified of adoption proceeding.

A Hawaii family ruled the Soetoro adoption was annulled and a new birth certificate was to be created, i.e. the COLB shown by FactCheck.org.

So, when someone announces they’ve seen the original vital records for Barack Hussein Obama II, they are referring the the COLB created by court order in 1971.

P.S. Dear Obots ... yes, I have proof. And, no, you can’t see it.


4 posted on 01/24/2011 11:19:12 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Everything you need to know is known unknowns)
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To: pissant

..or Malcolm X.


5 posted on 01/24/2011 11:20:03 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08; pissant
Who the “DNA father” is doesn't make on bit of difference according to the law.

The law doesn't care about biology, the law cares about legal paperwork.

Whoever’s name is on the BC for 0bama as his father is his “legal” father. No DNA relationship required.

Just ask a guy who found out that “his” children that he has been paying child support have no DNA relationship to him - the law cares not, he is still “legally” the father of those children.

6 posted on 01/24/2011 11:23:31 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: pissant

Which source has the best lie?
for some, its locked up in a private vault
for others, it cant be located
for others, they have a copy and they have been able to find and verify what Abercrombie last week could not find
for others, he was born in Africa,
for others, in the Commonwealth , it is kept in a ledger in Great Britain

Why cant the one just produce it....

I would think that MI6 and / or the Mossad has the answer.


7 posted on 01/24/2011 11:23:52 AM PST by himno hero
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To: patriot08

or “the omen” Damian—lol.. with his SS# showing him 139 years old, id say hes an illegal alien with stolen idenity


8 posted on 01/24/2011 11:24:21 AM PST by chicken head
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To: pissant

If I commit fraud, I’m not going to be able to play these stupid games to hide from prosecution. The FBI would have my records in a few hours. They’d have a probe up my posterior before that, with crystal clear pictures if they wanted to.

We’ve got a guy with his finger on the nuclear trigger, who is selling out this nation over and over again. The reaction, why we can’t demand proof. That would be unfair.

The death of reason...


9 posted on 01/24/2011 11:25:39 AM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: pissant
HillBuzz claims that the reason the governor cannot get his hands on a “Barack Hussein Obama” birth certificate is because, after Sotero adopted Obama, Hawaiian law meant that his birth certificate was retroactively changed to read “Barry Sotero.”

That would be true if the Soetoro adoption took place in Hawaii. Why would an Indonesian national adopt a child in a U.S. court?

10 posted on 01/24/2011 11:25:39 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: pissant

If they touched it, they committed a crime. Hawaii says you must have a tangible interest. Even the abercommie cant get the certificate to “touch” it.


11 posted on 01/24/2011 11:26:15 AM PST by biggredd1
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To: pissant
Illegal aliens can get very good I.D. with enough money..
What kind of I.D. could a virtual U.S. President get?..
I suspect he could appear to be whatever he wanted to appear as..
With the F.B.I. running interference for him..
12 posted on 01/24/2011 11:26:19 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Never heard that theory before.


13 posted on 01/24/2011 11:26:41 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: patriot08

I suspect it’s the parentage that is the embarassment, although I would not be surprised if it was the birth place. Either way, Obama is not giving the straight goods. Amazing how a relatively young, “brilliant” man was able to get all those degrees without many people who would have been his classmates having any recollection of him.


14 posted on 01/24/2011 11:27:30 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: pissant
Stop picking on Obama's People. Haven't you ever lost an important document?

The damn dog ate it, OK? Maybe it fell behind a filing cabinet? It was in his pocket and got washed? Did he look on the hall table? Here's what we'll do to satify you right wing fanatics. We'll just make a new one from the facts on that COLB that's on the internet. It will be an official Hawaii document.

And anyway, a 1960's Hawaii Birth certificate is nowhere near as reliable as a 1960's Honolulu Dog License, or Hawaii Car Title.

There's one other thing here: It's Aunt Zeituni. Her health is shaky and this kind of inquiry is very upsetting to her. So stop. OK?

15 posted on 01/24/2011 11:28:08 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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To: bigbob

“If you were a white family with a kid that’s half and half in ‘62, which would you put down?”

Italian?


16 posted on 01/24/2011 11:28:57 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Hey! You’re back!

What was that? About two months?

Good to see you again.


17 posted on 01/24/2011 11:29:19 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously..... You won't live through it anyway.)
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To: allmendream

That may be true for child support payments. It is not true, however, for citizenship claims. There must be a blood relationship in order to claim U.S. citizenship. See the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs manual for details.


18 posted on 01/24/2011 11:31:42 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: pissant
FactCheck.org?

Ok? So...these guys the ‘official’ documenter of eligibility?

I mean who would say, ‘Hey you know that guy we just put in charge of the CIA/NSA/FBI? Yeah, you know that guy? Well, FactCheck.org said he is vetted. So we gave him the job.’

Am I in some alternate universe? Or something. It just seems that all of ‘reality’ has suddenly gone crazy.

19 posted on 01/24/2011 11:32:57 AM PST by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: pissant

The Obama campaign didn’t release the COLB image. DailyKos released it.


20 posted on 01/24/2011 11:34:28 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Vendome

I’ve been around. I’ve just been so busy. I’ve posted here and there on the eligbility threads just to keep ‘em honest. ;p


21 posted on 01/24/2011 11:35:27 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: pissant

bump


22 posted on 01/24/2011 11:35:29 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: pissant
"Father: Frank Marshall Davis.

FATHER: LUCIFER

23 posted on 01/24/2011 11:36:13 AM PST by DeaconRed (Everything IS Broken. . . . MSM won't report it. . . . The community organizer can't fix it.)
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To: pissant

if he is using a fraud SS#, that means he stole someones idenity- ever think of him being someone completely differ. than he say he is.. maybe he is using a deceased name—mabe check death records—lol just thinking outloud..the dude is hiding something for sure


24 posted on 01/24/2011 11:37:21 AM PST by chicken head
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To: BuckeyeTexan
One must claim a blood relationship in order to claim U.S. citizenship.

The claim is not verified by the U.S. as to their being an actual DNA relationship.

A DNA relationship is not necessary for one to be the “legal father”.

If Barrack 0bama Sr. is listed on 0bama’s BC; he is 0bama’s “legal father”.

25 posted on 01/24/2011 11:37:36 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: pissant

Simple.
No birth certificate...no run for prez.

Wait a minute ...his daddy wasn’t even an American! How the hell is he in office and how can he even be on a ballot for the highest office in the world?!


26 posted on 01/24/2011 11:39:59 AM PST by devistate one four ( jihad is a 2 way street! Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Kenny Bunk

It’s in a file at the Rose Law Firm.


27 posted on 01/24/2011 11:41:29 AM PST by Petrosius
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To: bigbob

>>“If you were a white family with a kid that’s half and half in ‘62, which would you put down?”<<

Wasn’t he born in 61?
Even the date is confusing.


28 posted on 01/24/2011 11:42:06 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Latino...as with all things corrupt.

I know, he isn’t from Italy.


29 posted on 01/24/2011 11:42:14 AM PST by devistate one four ( jihad is a 2 way street! Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: allmendream

Sure it makes a difference. He’ll be exposed as the sordid liar that he is.


30 posted on 01/24/2011 11:44:04 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: K-Stater

They lived in Hawaii for a spell, did they not?


31 posted on 01/24/2011 11:45:18 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Italian?

My own Research at the Livermore Laboratories of Meta-Proctology (Livermore Falls, Maine, not that scam outfit in California) have proven beyond a shadow of scientific doubt that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. hasn't a drop of Italian blood.*

It's French. Our POTUS, is, By the Grace of God

The Lost Dauphin of France

My research has been pierre-reviewed.
* That isn't to say he hasn't ingested some due to undercooked veal at Luigi's Place. Copies of my work are available on DVD that can be played on Amiga computers. Send $16,000 EU and a SASE to me at this address.

32 posted on 01/24/2011 11:46:14 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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To: pissant

10% of people have the paternal DNA of someone other than their legal “father”.

Are they sordid liars?

Most are unaware of the situation, as the relevant act was some 9 months before they were born.

So while it may make his mother look like a sordid liar (and a slut), it wouldn’t do much to him; and it certainly wouldn’t be the grounds for any legal action.

Otherwise there are millions of birth certificates out there than need amending!


33 posted on 01/24/2011 11:47:35 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: chicken head

I agree with you. “The something embarrassing on the Birth Certificate” ruse is what the Obama legal team floated some time back. It’s BULLSH!T.

There is no long form, hospital generated Birth Certificate on file in Hawaii.

Obama was born somewhere other than Hawaii.....most likely to the sound of witch doctor rattles in a Kenyan hut or some hippie commune in Washington state.


34 posted on 01/24/2011 11:48:32 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
It is not true, however, for citizenship claims. There must be a blood relationship in order to claim U.S. citizenship. See the U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs manual for details.

I really doubt that they do DNA to determine parentage.

USCIS, not the referenced manual determines eligibililty. The USCIS allows the naturalization of adopted children. Also, your referenced manual, for what it matters, states that an adopted child is defined as a child of the parent.

35 posted on 01/24/2011 11:51:21 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Kenny Bunk

Maybe it is with the papers that hitlery found on the desk in the WH.


36 posted on 01/24/2011 11:52:13 AM PST by certrtwngnut
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To: allmendream

Uh, Obama claimed to have had an old copy of his birth certificate in his own book. If it says anyone other than Hussein Sr. is the father, then he’ll be shown as the sordid liar that he is.


37 posted on 01/24/2011 11:52:42 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: Fantasywriter
The Obama campaign didn’t release the COLB image. DailyKos released it.

Actually, Gibbs said in a presser that "we" put it on the internet, meaning him and Obamao.

Just an FYI.

38 posted on 01/24/2011 11:52:47 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: allmendream

You misspelled Barrack 0bama Sr.

He spelled his name Barak Hussein Obama.

By the way, whoever counterfeit Obama’s COLB did the same. They misspelled the name of Obama’s (alleged) father.

On the COLB, the (alleged) father’s name is spelled:

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

The number of flaws in that document is staggering.


39 posted on 01/24/2011 11:55:04 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Why did it appear first on Kos? (Ron, I’m just curious. Obviously you know more about all this than I do. I just wonder why if Obama released it, Kos posted it first.)


40 posted on 01/24/2011 11:55:53 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: pissant
I think the guy was born here.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, David. It's a shame that you didn't, or couldn't, write on what you know.
Now, how about you write an article sharing your thoughts about whether or not you think he is qualified to be POTUS in accordance with the Constitution (you know, that natural born citizen thing that keeps popping up) since you didn't address the issue in this article. You don't have to write about what you know, just what you think.
I'm betting that some news outlet would just love to pay you to know what you think on that subject.
41 posted on 01/24/2011 11:56:32 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bigbob

“If you were a white family with a kid that’s half and half in ‘62, which would you put down?”

I have an actual real life story for this. My stupid ass ex-sisterinlaw had a Half white/black kid. She told each and everyone of her many ex husbands and boyfriends that the kid was Puerto Rican.

Man, I was glad to get out of that family.


42 posted on 01/24/2011 11:58:02 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“A Hawaii family ruled the Soetoro adoption was annulled”

A family can do that? what family? That made it legal somehow?

LOL


43 posted on 01/24/2011 12:01:27 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is down to Three Hundred Thousand viewers. But they worked for it.)
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To: certrtwngnut
Maybe it is with the papers that hitlery found on the desk in the WH.

Hey, now you guys are making fun of me. I was just trying to be helpful!

Why must you people always be so suspicious? After all, the BC could have been: left in a briefcase on the train? Burned up in a Haleakala eruption? Was reviewing them on the porch and they blew away? Could it be acid paper that dissolved? Shredded by accident for a ticker-tape parade?

Honest, I am just trying to get to the bottom of this issue once and for all.

44 posted on 01/24/2011 12:02:02 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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To: Fantasywriter
I couldn't tell you, I don't know what the truth is.

I can only tell you what Gibbs said in that particular presser, I heard it my self.

It struck me at the time because he admitted that they had posted on the Internet what many of us to believe is a fraudulent document.

Like I posted, just an FYI so you are aware that he said it.

45 posted on 01/24/2011 12:03:38 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Electric Graffiti

yeah, i mean if he has a fraud SS#, and no BC in hawaii- he is using someones elses idenity. his real name could be joe blow, and the rest fabricated. you know.. thats what it sounds like anyway


46 posted on 01/24/2011 12:06:15 PM PST by chicken head
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To: bigbob
Maybe the race of the baby was states as “Caucausian” for example.

People already know all the fields on a 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate and the race of the baby isn't one of them. The races of the parents are listed. I'm not sure if any state has ever listed the race of the baby. It seems like that information would not really be needed if you knew the races of the parents.

47 posted on 01/24/2011 12:08:17 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Fantasywriter

The Obama campaign sent the COLB to the Daily Kos as an email attachment on June 12, 2008. Kos said in the comments that the copy originated with the Obama campaign.

Same day, the Obama campaign also sent an e-mail to PolitiFact with a copy of the senator’s “birth certificate” as an attachment.

On June 16th, 2008 FactCheck.org released its article on the “birth certificate.” The article states they received the “birth certificate” from the Obama campaign.

Plus there’s the video of Gibbs saying about the COLB, “I put it on the Internet.”

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm


48 posted on 01/24/2011 12:08:17 PM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
Barak Hussein Obama.

This is why I feel so close to our POTUS.

You see "Barak" means something rather like "Lucky," in Arabic. "Barak," was the name of Muhammed's horse, for whom Barak Hussein Obama, father and son, were apparently named.

When I was a ute, I had a splendid quarter horse named Lucky, who greatly resembled our POTUS when viewed from astern. However, unlike our POTUS, he was well behaved and a very useful animal.

49 posted on 01/24/2011 12:09:12 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Wanted: 1 Governor, 1 AG, to keep Obama off 1 state ballot in 2012.)
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To: pissant
That was wishful thinking on Obama's part. His mom must have hurt his feelings when she told him he didn't have a birth certificate. SADO was really a cruel child abusing bitch.....it's no wonder Obama turned out gay.

This 'reflection' about a birth certificate in Ayres' Dreams from My Father is just Barry and Ayers trying to give him some legitimacy for future office aspirations....whether it be Mayor of Chicago or as it turned out Illinois State Senate--->U.S. Senate--->URSURPER in Chief.

50 posted on 01/24/2011 12:09:43 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (I'm armed and Amish.)
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