Skip to comments.On Birth Issue 'The Donald' Trumps Other Republicans
Posted on 03/24/2011 1:36:48 AM PDT by Scanian
If Donald Trump's goal is to differentiate himself from those jelly-kneed Republican candidates too timid to ask even the most basic questions about President Barack Obama's origins, he is doing a bang-up job of it.
Wednesday morning on The View, Trump refused to buckle under the hectoring protests of the View panelists and even Whoopi Goldberg's shameless race baiting. "I want [Obama] to show his birth certificate!" said Trump defiantly, adding with a knowing edge, "There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like."
Here, Trump made precisely the right point. It is not that Obama was born in Kenya, but rather that there may very well be something on that certificate that does not square with the official Obama origins story, the one on which Obama based his political ascendancy.
In researching my book Deconstructing Obama, I found much that did match the accepted nativity story, most dramatically the fact that the storied Obama family never lived together. Indeed, there never was an Obama family save in the pages of Obama's often apocryphal memoir, Dreams from My Father.
When asked whether he could defeat Obama in 2012, Trump answered, "I think if I run and win and get the nomination, I definitely think I could beat Obama." If he sticks to his guns, he just might.
yeah The Hair did a good job but imho he’s not presidential material. His work ethic is documented,too, but he does have a bc. I would hope thru all of The Don’s torch bearing with the public persona that he is ; would raise the consciousness of Americans who are asleep on the issue and the truth will come out.
If The Don fails to bring light to the bc issue, i’m not dishearted. There are others in the background who are waiting to come forward.
Let’s get America going to walk in the light of truth, liberty and justice!
I saw the interview on “The View” and i’ve Hannity discuss the issue.
The ONE THING that NO ONE brings up is the fact the ‘bamster’s PaPa/Daddy/Daddy-O from Kenya and that country being under effin’ Crown Rule / English Monarchy, etc...
Whether these people in the MSM are parsing their words with caution or what I truly don’t know but it’s a known fact IF BObama,Sr. from Kenya was really his Pop then something really has to give here......... This one fact alone cannot be ignored ;Junior ain’t qualified
That is something that very few seem to grasp. Or maybe don’t WANT to grasp, because the NBC and parentage questions lead researchers to a couple of prominent young Republican hopefuls.
I believe that what is good for the goose is good for the gander even if it means the spotlight shining on Bobby Jindal or Marco Rubio.
Both were born in 1971. Jindal’s parents were clearly Indian citizens at the time. Rubio’s may or may not have been US citizens at the time. I haven’t been able to determine the facts.
I love Marco but we need to be consistent constitutionalists and not mere hacks like the Obamanoids.
Ya i know what you mean,i learned about” Natural born “because i married and had a son while in germany.My wife just got her citzenship 3 years ago lol.we got married in 87 had son in 88.We went through hell at the consulate.all the forms appts etc.That was just to get her here in amreica.There has to be a paper trail if so,and a long one.
I am very happy that Trump is dragging this issue into the light of day and forcing people to look at it, but...
I really have a big problem wrapping my mind around the idea of Trump as a Presidential candidate. He would be better than Obama, obviously. He’s not afraid of hard work and Lord knows he knows how to choose staff and make decisions, but as President?
Character issues alone make me shudder.
I hear ya! I’m going through that now (new son)! The paperwork is unreal. I am just lucky to be able to do everything through the Army passport office.
This mystery has been solved.
His BC was changed/amended to remove BO Sr. - His father on the BC is Lolo Soetoro
Personally, I think the entire GOP field is less than stellar. They all have their issues, IMHO. The best we can hope for from them at this point is that they dig into the issues and make the people aware of all the corruption and stealth that has gone on under Obama.
In that way, we’ll have a lively debate season and someone will emerge.
Ya Hiding behind adoption rules.thats it.
Congrats!!I had to travel to the frankfurt consulate each time they wanted more info, interview, etc,jeez oh man.Well we went the the huge walkplatz,cathedral,did the tourist thing too.Its right by the zoo i remember that.But it has been well worth it,i hope the same for you.
This will be like Kerry running against Bush on Bush’s AWOL incident. Noone really care about Bush’s history anymore, because we already know how Bush will govern as president for the past 4 years
Noone is going to care about Obama’s history. Lets focus on his record as president. Run against him on that
That was cold war tho,they had to know all geneology of both sides of my and my wifes family.
I have no illusion that the issue will be looked at,but i know what i know.you know?
Surprisingly, hannity talked on Foxnews last night about this. Here is the link: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201103230041?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d8ae735fe27bc52,0
If you’ll recall, that DUI story broke just a few days before the election. It hurt Bush a little, and the Kerry jerks thought that would be enough. It wasn’t but the election was closer than it should have been.
Kerry was/is truly creepy. His relative success in ‘04 must encourage other charisma-challenged politicians.
I really like Rubio, & Jindal ain't bad either. But if either runs for President, I expect proof of eligibility, because though the Pubs have been AWOL on this issue, I assure you the RATS would raise the issue of eligibility & attempt to remove either Rubio or Jindal from the Presidency.
LOL Go Donald!!!
And here is Raw Footage Of Tom Connolly's Arrest
I would actually vote for Trump simply because he had the guts to raise this issue.
This has to be the most maddening thing I see on the internet. Probably only because 90% of the posters on the internet avoid the sites I visit. Or, I generally avoid the sites they visit.
If you do not understand this, is there anything I can say to make you dislike Free Republic?
No, Free republic is big enough for both of us, and you are not quite obnoxious enough to make me avoid Free Republic, but, do you really think this impresses readers here, or makes you look smarter?
Very plausible statement. I myself have a birth certificate that you are describing! My birth father left my mother when I was 3... my mother remarried... 10 years later I was "adopted" by my step father. We went through an adoption process in court and my birth CERTIFICATE was amended to remove my birth father and has my step father as my ORIGINAL birth father! It is as if my birth father never existed.
BO may have the exact same situation with his birth certificate.
Why do you not think he is “Presidential Matierial” when compared to the political hacks.
I should have known better as hard as I worked in that 2000 election!
The radiation doctor warned me that would happen!
My mistake...one of many.
I am simply saying that the GOP doesn’t push the NBC issue because it affects their own young stars.
Marco has been pushed as a candidate by supporters but he has shown no interest thus far.
Kudos for being the first to report on Barry’s early Indonesian years. But what exactly would be the motivation for spending great gobs of money on hiding the fact that his original BC was modified to make Soetoro his father?
Presumably, the available documentation contained in Hawaii would demonstrate that Senior was his real father, which is all that Obama has ever claimed. That is, in your version of events, there should be a sealed original BC (presumably viewable only under court order or if the individual named on the BC authorizes its release), along with a modified BC which in turn should have some sort of indication that it is an amended BC.
What interest is served by keeping all this hidden? Barry’s own account already has revealed his mom as a knocked-up out-of-wedlock teen whose 2 marriages failed and who essentially abandoned her only son into the the care of her parents so that she could pursue her career interests. In the context of that already extraordinarily unflattering portrait, why would Barry take such pains to hide the fact that she and Lolo evidently played a little fast and loose with Barry’s birth records? To spare her reputation? It makes no sense.
When you are adopted you have to change the original record. There is only one original record - Hawaii.
“We went through an adoption process in court and my birth CERTIFICATE was amended to remove my birth father and has my step father as my ORIGINAL birth father! It is as if my birth father never existed.”
Does the amended BC have no indication that it is amended? Is your original BC not under seal that could be broken by a judge if extraordinary circumstances warranted it? I’m pretty sure Hawaiian rules require any amendments to original BCs to be noted at the bottom of the BC. That is, the details may well be under seal, but the fact of its being amended must be visibly recorded on the newly issued BC.
There is NO indication. In fact it states that it is certified to be a true and correct copy of the record of birth as made from the ORIGINAL certificate of birth for the child named therein . .
I do not know what a court order could do. But I do know that it offers no indication of an adoption whatsoever.
“THE IGNORANCE OF WHOOPI GOLDBERG”:
You got me sitting here now trying to remember what the October surprise actually was in 2004 (Bush vs Kerry). I’m sure they tried something but I can’t remember what it may have been.
Indonesia does not allow DUAL CITIZENSHIP... In order for little Barry to attend school in Indonesia he should have been a citizen of that country... If Soetoro did "adopt" little Barry to gain Indonesian citizenship... when did he become an UnIndonesian, and where is the paper trail?
I can Personally attest to the fact that if your Mother Has You Illegitimately and Her Husband ,Not The Father,Agrees to have His Name Put on the Birth Certificate to save the Mother the Shame or Himself,then whos to Know.
That is In fact My story, That I did Not Learn until I was in My Thirties. I am 61 now and Have just told My children that the Name they Have is the One I was Given but my real Birth Fathers Name was Italian Not Polish.
So Obama Did Not have to Go through any Machinations to Get a Name on His Real Birth Certificate that his Mother Wanted,all she needed was the cooperation of the People Involved,I can attest to that Personally,I am Living proof. So there may be somehting else on there he doesnt want to be seen or it could show exactly what he wants it too
I know...it’s bugging me too.
It seems like they tried to do something swiftboat-like but I can’t remember what.
Got to go for labs.
I’ll research it when I return.
Got to get the egg off my face!
Unless these young stars run for POTUS, their eligibility is irrelevant & has ZERO effect on them. If they do run, despite ineligibility, then PUBS are just as corrupt as RATS. If Pubs are gonna follow the lead of Rats, then we don't need Pubs anymore.
If Rubio or Jindal are ineligible for POTUS, as conservatives & patriots, I expect them to say so, rather than try to fool the American people. Perhaps this is why Rubio "has shown no interest thus far".
Are we a nation of laws, or men? Increasingly, it is the latter. This MUST be reversed.
I saw some clips of this today. Those old harpies were having a fit.
Trump didn’t care, he just pushed harder. LOL
I know we are all on the good side here, but it makes me shudder to see discussion of Kerry raising issue with Bush’s military service ....
Without mention that Kerry was an out and out traitor to his country, meeting with the enemy during the war and refusing to this day to reveal the details, in which he obviously encouraged the communists.
Of course you are correct Scanian. “Born on the soil of citizen parents.” No way to tell if Trump is simply feigning ignorance, as most representatives have done, though they probably know the truth. It is harder for senators to play dumb, every senator in April of 2008 having signed Senate Res 511 in which Pat Leahy, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee agreed with Judge Michael Chertoff:
My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen, Chertoff replied. That is mine, too, said Leahy.”
Avoiding the law they all acknowledged, a provision in the Constitution concurred upon by over a dozen SCOTUS justices, will most certainly be claimed their response to fear of the civil unrest certain to accompany removing the ineligible Obama. Perhaps we are all naive in assuming that the Constitution is any more than window dressing for the opinions of our political appointees, ironically called “Federal Judges.” They don't appear to be judges so much as creators of the law. If they don't like a law, as Prop 8 in California, or Obamacare in Florida, or the law passed by Wisconsin's legislature restricting collective bargaining, they make up a right, sometimes claiming constitutional authority.
Still, it appears that more citizens are beginning to grasp the law, and the truth. Most important to our framers is that whomever is made president has inherited allegiance to our nation, our Constitution, “..of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.” Those were 14th Amendment author John Binghams words to the House as he explained the significance of his amendment to make blacks, who had no presumed allegiance as slaves, citizens. The first generation of black citizens would beget children who were then natural born Citizens, eligible to the presidency.
It was about allegiance, and we see now how important that criterion is. John Jay, who reminded Washington to include natural born Citizen as a presidential eligibility requirement, wrote the first four Federalist Papers on the dangers of foreign intrigue. Our “Global Citizen” is just the danger Jay had in mind. Our legislature has failed us, and we must, while we still can, replace all legislators who will not clearly, and publicly, recite the definition of natural born Citizen. No hiding behind “never defined in the Constitution.” Almost no terms were defined in the Constitution. It was the intention of the framers that the Constitution be dependent upon the common language at the time of the framers. That way the meanings of the framers would not change as the meanings of words change over time.
That dependence upon the common language, common-law, was clarified by Chief Justice Morrison Waite in Minor v. Happersett, 1874:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
I know you know this history Scanian, but the majority appears not to. The more who understand that Obama is ineligible, not because of some hidden documents, but because of our Constitution, the more clear the path to return to a Constitutional republic. The truth was avoided by Republicans because McCain too was ineligible, but not due to questions of allegiance. McCain was born on foreign soil - a technicality which we can and should address legally. Claire McCaskill’s SB 2678, “A Bill to Insure that Foreign Born Children of Military Citizens are Eligible to The Presidency” was not to help McCain. A bill can't modify the Constitution. It was a warning to McCain to keep Republicans quiet about Obama’s ineligibility or Hillary would run against whoever the Republicans dug up, because McCain too was ineligible (or why try to pass a law, cosponsored by Obama), and the case against him had been addressed in a dozen legal briefs, the WaPo, NYT, and three law suits - never resolved.
“I do know that it offers no indication of an adoption whatsoever.”
I assume you’re not from Hawaii, else you’d have volunteered this. Does anyone who has investigated Hawaii’s rules know whether what you describe mirrors what happens in Hawaii?
I guess the question is whether even if Hawaii uses the same procedures, does that provide a ‘reasonable’ explanation of why Barry’s kept his BC hidden? How does having Soetoro appear as his father pose a threat? He’s already acknowledged a father who is not an American citizen, so who cares whether that father is African or Indonesian?
In theory, it gets in the way of Barry’s “blackness” which might have been an issue in the campaign, but was moot once he was elected. He’s already put out his family story in print: this detail arguably would make him a more sympathetic figure. He could claim Mom was so ashamed of his being a bastard child that she tried to spare him by “fixing” his BC, but apparently “relented” by letting him meet his real dad at age 10. No one would ever claim he looks even remotely like Soetoro: it’s obvious he genuinely has black roots even if we may be uncertain exactly who that black father is. Indeed, he could “prove” he has no Soetoro DNA by having a test between his DNA and his half-sister’s DNA to demonstrate this.
So I go back to the question of what would motivate him to hide the fact that Soetoro is listed as his real father on the BC?
Agree; but what is the issue with Marco? He was born in Miami.(l971). He is a ‘star’ among lessers, in Repub Party and he instills fear in Dem Party hierarchy. (l971) And with that; think he should have more prominent role. Wish we would see more him.
I’d like to see everyone who runs offer up their BC and their college records, then challenge Zero to do the same.
Well done by Mr. Trump.
The Kenyan clown should produce all of his birth and citizenship documentation: passports, visas, birth records, school records, and all other records related to citizenship and residence.
That fact that we are now into his third year of his occupancy of the Oval Office without answering the simplest questions about Obama's eligibility to serve in this office is an embarrassment to a great nation. The Kenyan clown has most likely pulled off the worst fraud and usurpation since the days of Rome.
I give Trump credit. In his business dealings he has dealt with nastier people and brighter people. This was a cake walk for him.
Trump is a flip-flopper on his many donations to political parties. He supported Rahm Emanuel you know -— he’s a kinda’ guy that will contribute to what works for him and in that I’m suspect. Anything he does is all about him , to his benefit and to HIS welfare in the political & public arena.
You and me both. Another thing. Remember how the media always demanded information about Bush’s health?
Obama has never been asked. What is that big scar on his head? Did he have brain surgery?
Find them; invite them on. (Put an 'all points' bulletin out courtesy of The View as that it what it will take.) Post in Pakistan as well.
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