Obama's aunt angry at Trump (Now she claims family got letter from BHO Sr. in Hawaii)

WHDH-TV / CNN ^ | April 11, 2011

[GregNH]

Hawaiian State Senator: Questions about Obama’s Origin Legit

He has to be feeling the heat....drip drip drip drip...

[Seizethecarp]

“If you want to convince me the kenyan came to Hawaii from Kenya without a lenghthy period on the mainland - it’s really quite simple. SHOW ME ANY KIND OF ENTRY DOCUMENT.”

Umm...has it occurred to you that YOU have not shown any entry document or any evidence at all that BHO Sr. was ever anywhere other than in Kenya from 1955 to 1959.

You have also shown no document of any kind establishing that “Ann (USA)” in the party picture was “Anna Obama” or was ever in Seattle, or that she ever had a baby that was babysat for by Mary Toutonghi in January of 1961 or that Mary Toutonghi ever baby sat anyone in January of 1961.

You have also failed to explain how the U of HI and U of WA have corroborating transcripts for Mercer HS grad Stanley Ann Obama without resorting to a conspiracy theory that the transcripts in HI and WA were doctored.

You have shown no documents linking Malcolm X to Barry. You seem to have no proof of that claim other than that two people who share certain general negroid features "look alike" to you. You have found lots of circumstantion evidence that assorted Marxists in the worldwide Soviet KGB controlled web of the late 1950's had a lot of links to each other. No surprise that Malcolm X, Maya Angelou, Odinga, Sukarno, FM Davis etc. could be found together at various times.

You ignore that fact that in the picture of Grampa Stanley Armour at the beach where he has the "big grin" he is a dead ringer for the adult Barry's "big grin" linking Barry to his mom and her familial chin.

You ignore the fact that your own pictures of Barry's half David as a toddler (born about 1969, given age difference to older brother Mark) is almost identical to the pictures you have posted of Barry at that age giving striking evidence that BHO Sr. IS Barry's father. Your claims that the Ndesanjo brothers are misidentified or were born earlier have no documentary support.

You continue to rely on dialog quotes from Dreams, an admitted work of partial fiction (but we mostly can't document which parts) as primary, not secondary, source of information. Dreams, especially Ayers-crafted dialog, is totally unreliable as a primary source and must be double-checked. Sure the motivations behind what is put into and left out of Dreams must be weighed, but only AFTER independent documentary and witness evidence is obtained.

[Greenperson]

Last 15 or 20 years? I wish. No, it was closer to twice that, sorry to say. But now that we’re talking about this, my mother had all of her high school yearbooks, too, and she graduated before 1940. I’ve moved 5 or 6 times since high school, but I hauled my yearbooks with me every time, as did my husband.

Different people place different value upon mementos like high school yearbooks. My guess is that it might also depend upon what type of school one attended and where the person grew up—that is, what part of the country, urban, rural, ethnic culture, etc.

One cannot extrapolate from one’s own life and apply it to everyone else. I offer my evidence to counter your claim that for most people the significant events of their lives happened after high school.

For many people, high school is (or was in the past) the end of their formal education. The end of hanging out daily with a large group of similarly aged people. Age cohort, if you know what I mean. An important influence. Many people look back fondly on those years and hold onto reminders like yearbooks.

This is similar to the topic of genealogy. Some people love it while others could not care less about their ancestry. But just because I like genealogy, I won’t say that most people do, too.

Fred and other researchers are perfectly right to wonder why, of SO MANY HUNDREDS of people who attended Mercer Island High School when Stanley Ann Dunham is SAID to have been there, not one DISINTERESTED party has come forward with a yearbook.

Certainly, there would be quite a bidding war for an authentic copy with that 1960 graduating class in it.

I can think of a reason why we don’t see even one of those probably close on to 500 copies coming out: FEAR. Fear of getting “involved” or of being gone after by rabid Obama supporters, or worse.

[Fred Nerks]

...Not too credible, is she?

Now we understand why all that remains of the original video interview is a few seconds, that nervous laugh of hers all the way through...I knew she was lying when I first saw it. And it was evidently scripted.

[Fred Nerks]

...The only reference to a “Boston trip” was Susan Blake’s.

Thanks, maybe faulty memory, but I doubt it, one of her 'classmates' said she went to Boston to look for him - and said it was in 1961, a year before the kenyan left Hawaii. I can imagine why that article might have disappeared...I'll ping you if I happen to find it again.

[Fred Nerks]

Thanks, interesting -

JOHN HUNT RIP

Birthdate - Born: 23 Aug 1941

Another ‘classmate’ from MIHS? If we go by his age, he would have been Class of 1959.

[Fred Nerks]

...He arrived as a lone Kenyan and was immediately written up in the local newspaper...

IMMEDIATELY upon arrival in Hawaii. When and where did he land in the US?

[Fred Nerks]

...Have first hand experience with the problem and the above scenario certainly fits the pattern of an abusive relationship.

Yes, but who was he abusive to? Only one person on earth says they saw Stanley Ann Dunham and that's Neil Abercrombie.

[Fred Nerks]

The name was JOHN

[Fred Nerks]

WHOOPS! You obvioulsy mean this - ...My daughter Michelle was just a few weeks younger than Stanley’s son, who she called Barry, and they played together on the floor. (44)

Obviously, a date of birth for Michelle Hunt (who is probably married by now) might give a clue as to how old Anna's child might have been...It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962.

[Seizethecarp]

“IMMEDIATELY upon arrival in Hawaii. When and where did he land in the US?”

I have told you what the Hawaii newspaper reported. That is a solid historical record which requires a conspiracy theory if you allege the paper image was doctored.

Your turn. Where are your documents showing when and where Obama Sr. arrived in the US if not in 1959? Where are your documents that show he left Kenya in 1955 as you allege?

[Fred Nerks]

blah blah blah...you remind me of Al Gore. The science is settled, no need to ask questions. It occurs to me - just as an infinite number of monkeys in an infinite amount of time with an infinite number of typewriters couldn’t write the Bible, just so could a million of YOU on a million keyboards, not prevent QUESTIONS.
We still have the right to do so. For now.

[Seizethecarp]

“THAT’S JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHY I BELIEVE ONE CANNOT ACCEPT ANYTHING WRITTEN ABOUT THE KENYAN CONNECTION AT FACE VALUE.

“And seizethecarp, although you obviously wish I would give it up, I will not.”

Those two stories agree the Kezia was pregnant with Auma but disagree on the age of the older child, showing reporters get facts wrong which requires CORROBORATION from other sources to get a better idea of what happened.

I don't wish that you “give up” as I very much appreciate all of your posting of pictures and documents. What I wish you would not do is attack the substantial corroborated evidence that SADO is Barry's mom and she was a student in WA based, it appears, on either secret evidence that you claim you have but can't show and/on your personal fascination with the idea that Malcolm X was Barry's dad.

The whole world is now coming together around the corroborated narrative that SADO in WA for the year immediately after Barry's birth SHOWS DREAMS IS A LIE and begs the question “What other lies about his birth circumstances has Barry told?”

Lots of folks doing web searches are coming to FR to validate there growing awareness of this corroborated narrative and sending them off on Fred Nerks’ pet digression based on no documentary evidence whatsoever, but only flimsy speculation based on decades old newspaper stories and ad hominem attacks on Seattle historians does a disservice to truth-seekers, IMO.

[Fred Nerks]

OMG! How absolutely TERRIBLE! I guess you haven’t noticed, I almost always provide links to sources, the images and documents I post are from the public domain.
What is it that you find so objectionable?

Let people make up their own minds.

[Seizethecarp]

“Obviously, a date of birth for Michelle Hunt (who is probably married by now) might give a clue as to how old Anna's child might have been...It was after June, and could have been as late as September, 1962.”

Obviously the Anna in question is Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and the child is Barry, as this Anna was Hunt's classmate at Mercer. Unless some huge conspiracy placed all of these classmate accounts in the record in SEATTLE which KILLS the DREAMS narrative...which I would have thought any Obama Team conspiracy would have conspired to support!

[hoosiermama]

IF she did indeed go with him to Kenya to have the baby, the entire family (because of tribal custom) may have been part of the we'll take and raise the baby scenario.

Physical abuse increases at the time of birth or shortly before. The baby is often used as a pawn to control the mother. Abuse is all about control.

[Fred Nerks]

...Obviously the Anna in question is Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and the child is Barry, as this Anna was Hunt's classmate at Mercer.

Was there an ANNA at Mercer? And she moved to Seattle with a child named Barry?

[little jeremiah]

Here’s an article about Kezia the real first wife, posted today.

It really looks to me as though the Zero team is rushing to the fallback position.

Which is:

1. To keep the Dreams parentage intact

2. To keep US nationality intact, so they need to make it so Kezia was the first aka “real” wife, therefore if Kenyan birth is somehow involved, SADO, if they can maintain parentage, as a single woman (bigamy) would have given nationality to any offspring. If SADO is accepted the mother but legally married to Obama the Kenyan, and the child is born on foreign soil, according to laws in place at that time, the child assumes the father’s nationality.

So they’re trotting out stuff like this, IMO. It’s a fallback defensive position.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2710201/posts

Barack Obama’s ‘time has come’ says father’s (Obama, Sr.) first wife
The Telegraph ^ | 28 Aug 2008 | Toby Harnden

Posted on Monday, April 25, 2011 9:56:30 AM by TennesseeGirl

...A bingo lover who follows the US election on Fox News and al-Jazeera, Mrs Obama was just 19 when her husband left her in 1959 to study in Honolulu, where he was to meet Mr Obama’s mother Ann Dunham, then 17, in a Russian class at the University of Hawaii.

“My first born was two and the second one was in my belly,” she said. “He told me had an American scholarship and that he would come back.” When he did return in 1965 he brought with him a third wife, a white American called Ruth...

Her father had three wives so Mrs Obama never resented her husband’s polygamy, she said. “He was a good man. When he wanted to marry Ann he wrote back to ask us. In Kenya, a man can have several wives so I agreed with it. Later, when I met Ann she was like a sister to me...

[GregNH]

John was the Dad. he said Michele and Barry played on the floor and they just a few weeks apart in age. So we find out when she was born....

[GregNH]

OOPS for me too, I was responding in order...lol