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Posted on 04/11/2011 8:55:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
BOSTON - Barack Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, says Donald Trump disrespected her family by questioning the president's birthplace.
Trump quoted Obama's grandmother when she claimed to have witnessed Barack Obama's birth in Kenya, and Onyango says that is not true.....
(Excerpt) Read more at kplctv.com ...
Teacher Mabel Hefty played an important role in buffering the way for her new pupil. She had just completed a sabbatical teaching in Kenya and sought to nurture Obama's interest in his father's homeland. She shared her collection of Kenyan art with the students; she would sometimes pull Barry aside after class and tell him stories about her experiences in Kenya.
That December, Barack's father returned for a monthlong visit and was invited by Hefty to address the class.
Dewey later traveled with Dunham to the same village in Kenya where Obama's father came from and...
30 or 40 is still less than 50 but I guess someone who kept their annuals for 40 years is likely going to still have them at 50 also.
And you are correct, it is an individual proposition. And it is probably different in different parts of the country.
We have just been through a three year period in which we were looking for annuals for both my class and my sister's class--an incity high school in a defined geographical area where more than 50 years later, many of the alumni still live. Bigger classes than Mercer Island--we were probably 120-140 a class. As I recall, we never found a copy of mine; hers, there are a couple of copies, I don't remember whether the one I saw was hers or someone elses. A lot of members of both classes are dead.
You are correct--it is an individual issue but at least in the Seattle area, I suspect my rendition is a lot closer to the real world. At 50 years out, getting copies of the High School annual is not necessarily easy.
Further, nothing Fred has done really puts pressure on anyone to come up with a public copy of their book. Seeing a couple of former classmates sitting around looking at the book presenting the situation as being one in which they are looking at Stanley's book doesn't do any violence to the proposition--because it isn't easy to take a picture of the cover of the book with the internal evidentiary pictures showing--how would you do that? No one thought it was important.
Yes, Fred's position is reasonable because we have seen lots of fake documents; artificial evidence; photoshoped pictures etc. So it is fair to say about the Mercer Island book that they should prove it.
But I don't infer from the current lack of an available public copy that one doesn't exist.
Re: the pic at #1123
Holy Cow! Now that guy “Pete” looks like Barry’s sperm donor!
I’ve studied a lot of pictures of potential daddy’s for O, and that guy is the spittin’ image of President Urkel.
The look in “Pete’s” eyes, the way he holds his head,the expression on his face, the face in general...OMGoodness, I think you’ve found a winner!
Thank you so much for the ping to #1123.
That is one amazing photo.
“Pete” looks just like the faker-in-chief.
Now you get why I did a What???????? double take when I stumbled up on it. AND found out that freaky Daddy Stanley was hanging in the same jazz joints at the same time as “Pete.”
Good thing I am on Lucy T’s ping list. She alerted me to post 1123. I have not read the entire thread, but I have been studying the eligibility issue since fall of 2008.
I have never seen a more likely candidate for Barry’s daddy, than the man pictured there called Pete. A truly amazing photo. It’s freaky how much they look alike.
I don’t know why it should cross my mind just now, but Herr Schiklegruber was a vegetarion who loved animals...
“To keep US nationality intact, so they need to make it so Kezia was the first aka real wife, therefore if Kenyan birth is somehow involved, SADO, if they can maintain parentage, as a single woman (bigamy) would have given nationality to any offspring. If SADO is accepted the mother but legally married to Obama the Kenyan, and the child is born on foreign soil, according to laws in place at that time, the child assumes the fathers nationality.”
Per Kezia: "Her father had three wives so Mrs Obama never resented her husbands polygamy, she said."
That contradicts the impression she gave the reporter who wrote the Daily Mail interview several years back who wrote that back in Kenya Obama Sr. was considered a bigamist:
"Until now, Barack Snr has been portrayed as a bigamist and a drunk."
"Yet Kezia seems determined to defend the man's reputation."
"True, he behaved appallingly sometimes. He could be selfish and became disillusioned."
Kezia seems to have not been Muslim or to have had a Muslim marriage because at least two of her Kenyan sons converted to Islam as an adults (Malik and Bernard).
The Kenyan Marriage Act of 1902 as modified does not appear to allow mix and match marriages of Muslim, tribal and Christian to the same man for legal plural marriages.
Under the 1902 KMA, tribal marriages are legal and subsequent marriages are bigamous, including even marriages following Muslim marriage. Obama Sr. would have had to marry SADO in Maui or in Kenya in Muslim or Tribal marriage of the same kind as his as his original marriage to Kezia for it to be legal, from what it seems reading the code:
37. Marriages under native law or custom.
Any person who is married under this Act, or whose marriage is declared by this Act to be valid, shall be incapable during the continuance of such marriage of contracting a valid marriage under any native law or custom, but, save as aforesaid, nothing in this Act contained shall affect the validity of any marriage contracted under or in accordance with any native law or custom, or in any manner apply to marriages so contracted.
49. Contracting marriage under this Act when already married by native law or custom.
Whoever contracts a marriage under this Act, being at the time married in accordance with native law or custom or in accordance with Mohammedan law to any person other than the person with whom such marriage is contracted, shall be guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Pete O’Neal from a 2004 PBS broadcast:
Left the U.S. to live in Tanzania.
I really think it takes more than a facial resemblance, I would expect them the have a similar height and body-shape, I would be looking for the long skinny arms...to start with.
Or else we end up with something like the Frank Marshall Davis idea, and he was a dumpy little fellow with no chin:
Full broadcast here:
Regarding SADO’s visit. Supposedly she was in Kenya in 1983, which was the time of Obama’s visit.
Obama later claimed (in the visit he made as U.S. Senator) to have visited Kenya in 1987.
Here’s the PBS special video (scroll down or search Pete O’Neal) from a Black Panther party legacy site:
“As one of two posters here I’m familiar with that are saying Obama (on this issue) has nothing to hide, a simple question;
“Why hasn’t Obama released his Birth Certificate or a certified copy of the same to end the controversy?”
Happy to oblige. I obviously can’t know for certain, but I imagine that it’s a combination of a few different factors.
First, he doesn’t believe that it would, in fact, “end the controversy.” Because, really, it wouldn’t. The entire question of Obama’s birth and eligibility first became an audible issue on June 9, 2008, and they put the COLB online just three days later. And that didn’t end the controversy; it just led to accusations about forgery. When they let FactCheck photograph the document to show the seal and signature, that didn’t end the controversy either; it just led to accusations that FactCheck was complicit or the document is insufficient.
I’ve already seen plenty of people claim that simply releasing a certified copy of a birth certificate wouldn’t be sufficient. Some have already suggested that they would believe such a document to be a forgery too. Plenty of others already have adopted the theory that he’s not eligible because of his father; releasing the birth certificate certainly wouldn’t end that controversy. And when you have people demanding everything from his kindergarten records to his baptism records, releasing a birth certificate alone won’t satiate them. So in that sense, maybe he hasn’t released it because he knows it would be fruitless.
Second, maybe he’s stubborn and doesn’t want to waste any of his own time to try to deal with it. The ‘controversy’ really hasn’t been much of a direct burden on him or his administration. It’s not like it’s an issue they’re having to fight Republicans over in the press or in Congress.
Honestly, despite Hawaii’s privacy rules, I feel that if the President called up Hawaii’s vital records department himself and asked for a photocopy of his long-form, he could get it. But it’s possible that he doesn’t want to, because even making that call is, in its own way, letting the Birthers win. And maybe he doesn’t want to play that kind of PR game.
I actually have a historical analogy for these first two factors. For decades, there have been people claiming that the Apollo missions never landed on the moon, and they always asked why NASA couldn’t simply point a telescope at the moon and take pictures of the landing sites. That, they said, would settle the matter. For years, NASA didn’t care. They figured it wouldn’t settle anything, and they weren’t actually suffering because of the folks who doubted them.
But last year, NASA did point a telescope at the moon and took pictures of the landing sites. And what happened when they released them? The controversy didn’t end. The folks who doubted continued to doubt. They claimed the pictures were forged. They complained the pictures weren’t clear enough. And they continued to argue that we never landed on the moon. I can’t help but think that Obama’s folks saw that reaction, and realized that they’d get exactly the same reaction if they ever released the long-form.
Third, while there hasn’t been a direct political cost from the ‘controversy,’ I think there’s something to the argument that he *benefits* a little bit from it. The Obama camp could easily have looked at the issue and decided that they had more to gain by not trying to end anything. For one thing, if they’re confident in their position (i.e., Obama was born in Hawaii and is eligible), then they know that they will win any ultimate challenge down the line. If they know that they will never lose the controversy, then they also know that every minute of time and every ounce of energy expended by their opponents on the other side is wasted time and energy. Time and energy that, if it wasn’t expended on a fruitless quest that doesn’t actually threaten Obama’s presidency, might instead be spent on issue-based advocacy. Or GOP fundraising.
For another thing, they may also think they stand to gain PR-wise from not stopping the ‘controversy.’ Politics is all about winning the support of moderates, and Obama may have decided that it’s more likely that those moderates will look at the birth controversy as something silly than as something substantive. (Note that I’m not saying they’re *correct* in making such an assessment. I’m just saying that it’s a possible belief they’ve staked out. And, perhaps, have held to out of stubbornness even.)
All that said, I’m not actually opposed to Obama releasing the long-form. I’d be interested if he did. Not because I think it would hold any surprises; I think it’ll reflect all the same information as on the COLB. It’s because I’m not interested in the document itself, but because I’m interested in what the *reaction* would be. It’s my belief that it wouldn’t ‘end’ anything. But the only way to definitively test that hypothesis would be for the document to be released.
Loren, You seem to equate “birthers” to “truthers” or other type of partisan doubters, but the birth certificate issue is different because Obama, himself has intentionally increased the doubt by doubling down on his refusal to be open about who he is and what he believes. His books only tell what he wants the public to see and little that is revealing or personal.
The problem that I see with the certificate of live birth is that his name on all official records was not Barack Obama until he was at Columbia College. That’s when he changed his name. He needs to explain that.
1. Obama never produced the COLB as an exhibit to any court. It’s never been examined by a forensic document examiner. Obviously FactCheck (funded by an organization on whom Obama sat) isn’t convincing anyone except Obots who didn’t need convincing.
Right now 75% of Republicans either believe Obama was born out of the country or don’t know. Nearly a third of Democrats say the same. Isn’t this hurting Obama politically? It also is costing millions to defend dozens of cases in various courts.
Will 100% of the doubters be satisfied if news crews and forensic document examiners walk into the vault in Hawaii and see the BC? Perhaps a small percentage will still have doubts. As you said, there are thousands of people who believe we never landed on the moon. Is Obama worried about that small percentage or the millions of Americans with legitimate doubts?
2. He’s stubborn. Playing a game. Obama’s poll numbers are sinking. The numbers will continue to go down. Corsi’s book is coming out. Trump is getting tons of coverage.
Again you bring up the moon landing. What percentage of Democrats believed 9/11 was an inside job? Was percentage of Democrats believed the feds deliberately blew up the levees in New Orleans. Spike Lee and other said that.
3. Politics. Obama believes that the damage of showing the long form would be higher than continuing to withhold it from public view.
Isn’t that all the more reason the United States voters deserve to see it? Would a Republican in the future be allowed to hide school records, basic information like a birth certificate, and not be questioned by the MSM?
Obama won his State Senate seat by legally challenging the right of his opponents to run against him in the Democratic primary. Was an easy win in the general. Obama filed suit saying FOLLOW THE RULES! Yet... Obama wants a free pass now? Just show it.
Is it wasted energy to question Obama’s legitimacy to hold the office of POTUS? Obama’s poll numbers are going down. More questions arise each day.
“Moderates” look at the BC issue as “silly” because they either haven’t investigated the issue or bought the COLB=BC lie fed by the MSM.
And, again, your end the argument as Chris Matthews and now Anderson Cooper do: “Why doesn’t he just show it?”
That’s all we’ve been saying all along.
The following has a group of compiled pictures of O that was put together.
What Say U? Same Person or Not?
October 16, 2010 by Miri
On point as always...
On point as always...
No, FLED the US to live in Algiers and then Tanzania. Big difference. He is a fugitive, not an immigrant.
I don’t know Fred... you are talking a farm laborer/village and garden-self reliant live off the land guy compared to a puny, lush Hawaiian ‘intellectual.’ Hard work will give arms depth where non-work will leave them scrawny.
I'm not seeing the difference. Moon hoaxers argued that NASA increased doubt by not photographing the moon, or by taping over the landing films. Truthers argued that Bush increased doubt by not testifying at the hearings. MLK assassination conspiracy theorists argue that the government has increased doubt by sealing the investigation.
I understand that you think it's substantively different, but it's not a legitimate reason to heighten your doubt on this issue that when Birthers asked Obama to jump, that he didn't respond 'How high?'
The problem that I see with the certificate of live birth is that his name on all official records was not Barack Obama until he was at Columbia College. Thats when he changed his name. He needs to explain that.
What official records are you thinking of? Because I can think of at least three known pre-Columbia uses of his name. First was his Selective Service application. Second was his high school yearbook. Third were the poems he had printed in an Occidental magazine. Heck, four if you count the fact that the COLB reflects the information on his original birth certificate.
Black Panther Pete O'Neal in exile in Africa
Pete O'Neal circa 1969
Check out # 1268 for analysis of photos.
Thanks, ASouthernGrl. Good job; we appreciate your contribution.
Btw, SP's finally found this thread.
Wow! Nice analysis of the photos. What’s with the multiple thumbs?
I have different information for John Hunt. At some point, I made the notation that his middle name is “Wilson”. The WA voter registration has only one John W. Hunt who could be the correct one:
HUNT HEATHER TYAS 591e 108TH AVE NE KIRKLAND 2010-NOV-02 1945-JUL-03 1970-MAR-06
HUNT JOHN W 591e 108TH AVE NE KIRKLAND 2010-NOV-02 1942-SEP-14 1970-MAR-06
This is their marriage record:
John Wilson Hunt - Heather Tyas - King Marriage Records
Record Series: Marriage Records
Collection: King Marriage Records
Reference Number: kingcoarchmc321251
Groom’s Name: John Wilson Hunt
Bride’s Name: Heather Tyas
Marriage Date: 08-24-1968
witnesses: Barbara L. Reid and Peter Maslan (Maslan is class of 59)
As you can see, Peter Maslan is MIHS class of ‘59. Maslan is on facebook and at classmates as MHIS so this is the correct John Hunt and he ain’t dead Jim.
Is Dewey a man or a woman?
This is the right side of her head (our right; her left) magnified by 400%:
To me, it is clear that her head at least was cut out of another photo and pasted into this one. Note that some of the other photo's background came along with her head. Very lazy photo job. The shadows don't look so good either at this magnification - too dark and too stark.
I love how her legs just end. That's a great catch. Reminds me of the guy at the dock with no arm that all of us didn't notice for about two years.
Wow, my first post and I got a PING?! Impressive! lol You’re most welcome LucyT. I enjoy anything graphics-wise. :)
Her name is ALICE. She not only went to Kenya with SAD, she spent a lot of time in Indonesia. She wrote a book:
1962 Peasant Marketing in Java. N.Y.: Free Press.
In preparation Traditional Powers for a Modern King: The Investiture of Sultan Hamengku Buwono X.
1993 Past Experiences and Problems in Implementing Programs in Poverty Alleviation. In A Review of Poverty Alleviation Efforts in Indonesia, with Michael Dove, N. Dwi Retnandari, and Loekman Soetrisno, for BAPPENAS, Indonesia, pp. 103-135.
1988 Competition, Reciprocity and the Olympic Games. In The Olympics and East/West and South/North Exchange, edited by Kang Shin-pyo, John MacAloon and Roberto DaMatto. The Institute for Ethnological Studies, Hanyang University, pp. 529-537.
1985 Boundary and Batik: A Study of Ambiguous Categories. In Cultural Values and Human Ecology in Southeast Asia, edited by Karl L. Hutterer, A. Terry Rambo and George Lovelace. Michigan Papers on South and Southeast Asia, No. 27, University of Michigan Press.
1970 Ritual as a Mechanism for Urban Adaptation. Man 5:438-448.
1962 Trade and Social Control. Journal of the Royal Anthropological Institute 92:177-190. -------------
What was the title of Stanley Ann Dunham's book?
Peasant Blacksmithing in Java - Survival Against the Odds, iirc.
Maya Ng found her manuscript on discs, in a dusty drawer after her death...she says.
Look up Michael Dove, he will vouch for it!
blah blah blah...
Surviving Against the Odds: Village Industry in Indonesia, is the heavily redacted dissertation of S. Ann Dunham, the late mother of President Barack Obama. Dr. Dunham completed her 1,043-page dissertation, focusing on black-smithing in Central Java, based on fourteen years of field research, in 1992. She formulated plans for its revision for publication but died tragically of cancer in 1995 before she could carry them out. That task was picked up in 2005 and completed last year by Alice Dewey and Nancy I. Cooper. Dr. Cooper had been a fellow graduate student of Dr. Dunham’s in the University of Hawaii Anthropology Department, and she did her own dissertation fieldwork in the same part of South-Central Java as Dr. Dunham, in the district of Gunung Kidul. Alice Dewey, now emeritus, was Ann Dunham’s principal advisor in the University of Hawaii Anthropology Department. Professor Dewey was a legendary mentor...end blah blah blah
PRICELESS! FIRST TIME I LAUGHED ALL DAY!
“she did her own dissertation fieldwork in the same part of South-Central Java as Dr. Dunham”
Gee, that’s pretty convenient, isn’t it?
Aw, screw it. I had this happen about six weeks ago; something got into my site and inserted a forwarding code onto multiple pages.
Now I’ve gotta go back through and fix each page. On the plus side, it looks like it hasn’t been this way for long; the WebFTP says everything was changed “Apr 25 03:06,” so it’s only been a day.
What’s aggravating is that I changed passwords last time, and it’s only hitting main directory pages for one URL, so I don’t know how the code is getting in. I remember reading that a lot of sites using WordPress software suffered the same attack, so I’ll search that out again after I clean up the pages.
Yep, looks like I’m not alone.
“We first detected malware from globalpoweringgathering.com almost a month ago, and posted on our blog about it. But just on the last few days, we started to see a big increase in the number of sites infected with it.”
Obama, himself, “kills the Dreams narrative,” when he places an introduction/forward in the second edition of the book that ADMITS that the entire story is nothing more than a fable. FICTIONALIZED “history”. He says they are composite characters. He says the timeline is wrong. He says the conversations are invented (or recreated). How much more does it take than an admission from the alleged author to kill the entire narrative? Somebody (the publisher? his lawyer? himself?) likely knew that the book was fiction, thus the disclaimer, which most media sources fail to mention.
The admition of fiction is to cover his *** when more truth comes out. Because the Zero team including Ayers figured the myth would likely spring some holes sooner or later.
Ayers never thought that anyone would examine The Obama Mythology outside of Cook County. Inside of Cook County, nobody would expect the truth anyway.
Just noticed that “Ann’s” 1983 trip was on little Barry’s birthday. 8/4/83
Good job! I knew I had missed a few things since I was doing it quickly. That airport photo of the 2 O’s is a mess, too. I’ll post those results in a bit.
We don’t know what Ayers or Zero thought; to me it looks like a perfect legal CYA - “we never said it was really really true!”.
They are now clearly in an official fallback position - “so what if it turns out he was foreign born? It doesn’t matter, he didn’t know” etc.
What they do NOT want anyone to look at is parentage.
Maurer marvels, still impressed by Obama’s seemingly effortless ability to formulate and organize complex ideas. “It was just amazing he could think that coherently and not rewrite the paper.”
Back in those days, teachers didn’t have the luxury of the Internet and Google, so likely it was MUCH harder to find the source document from which students may have plagiarized. I read somewhere that Ann used to type his homework for him when they lived in Indonesia. I wonder if that’s because he wouldn’t do it himself and she couldn’t imitate his handwriting. What child in the 60s, in a third world country, handed in typewritten homework?
I’d like to sit him down at a typewriter and see what he can do. Does he use a computer? Has anyone EVER seen him at a keyboard?
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