Skip to comments.Obama's aunt angry at Trump (Now she claims family got letter from BHO Sr. in Hawaii)
Posted on 04/11/2011 8:55:58 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
BOSTON - Barack Obama's aunt, Zeituni Onyango, says Donald Trump disrespected her family by questioning the president's birthplace.
Trump quoted Obama's grandmother when she claimed to have witnessed Barack Obama's birth in Kenya, and Onyango says that is not true.....
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Aside from the issue of the Colb, there are a number of examples. The letter from the U of HI - the author ASSUMES that the student who enrolled in Fall 1960, is the same person as Stanley Ann Dunham.
There has been no transcript. The U of WA transcripts were apparently supplied, with a covering note, AS A SCAN SENT BY E-MAIL. (Or a FAX)
There is no provenance.
A later communication corrects a 'misunderstanding' about the date of commencement. The original report had the date as August 19, 1961. The explanation was that this was transcribed incorrectly and should have been SEPTEMBER 19. How-ever, the semester commenced September 25, according to the U of WA calendar from 1961. Small difference? Why can't they get ANYTHING right?
The U of WA transcripts include Mercer Island High School graduation in 1960. Funny that.
Aside from some very suspicious images in which Stanley Ann Dunham appears to have been inserted, there's nothing. - NOT A SINGLE YEAR BOOK.
None of her 'classmates' can find their yearbooks, and when asked, someone at Mercer Island High School said -
We had SIX yearbooks until recently, BUT THEY WERE STOLEN.
. . . . "SIX yearbooks until recently, BUT THEY WERE STOLEN." - !
YEP. Our team of researcher-sleuths never leave a stone unturned, and that's what we were told.
Stolen year books is just the latest in the long, long list of coinky-dink cover ups with zero.
Very interesting. STOLEN!
They have a large number of people trying to provide cover.
Oh, boy! How to explain their conveniently stolen yearbooks?....
There is no provenance for documents of any kind or eyewitness on any claimed record for any “Anna Obama” who was supposedly NOT Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and who was supposedly married to BHO SR or who attended any of these institutions instead of SADO or that this other Anna was ever in Seattle with or without a baby in January of 1961.
It is totally a conspiracy theory to fabricate an imaginary alternate “Anna Obama” out of whole cloth and claiming her to be the "real" Anna Obama and claim that all public documents relating to Stanley Ann in three public institutions are fake.
All of the public records for Stanley Ann can be verified to be (or not to be) at these institutions in the custody of the registrars or other custodians.
The claimed provenance for documents that certain named officials sent out as verification of attendance or as a transcript on letterhead and under a signature can be verified in court by the custodians of the public records who can be called to testify.
This is a perfect falsifiable interlocking chain of claims of provenance for evidence for Stanley Ann at the three institutions which doesn't exist for the alternate Anna Obama at all to date from what I have seen.
So I leave it for you and all FReepers reading this to decide who is creating deliberate distraction, thread hijacking and conspiracy theories out of thin air.
Remember, only when evidence is actually presented in a court can any alleged provenance of any kind be proved.
This last sentence was useful. Most other sentences were the opposite; in fact, the tossing around of the word "conspiracy" smacks of Alinsky tactics and you should explain why you are using that word.
Without getting into one details of proof or lack of proof, let me say that just on general principles, you should view the school year era of SAD with suspicion. Why should this part of the Obama family saga be accepted as credible when virtually every other aspect of the story has been shown to be very questionable?
If you start with the assumption that much of O’s family bio is BS, then you have to question SAD’s school years as well. And if you do approach it as probably bogus, the next step is to try to find the weaknesses in the story and figure out what might actually be the facts.
So, instead of criticizing the theory of others because “there’s no reason to question that” because we have a transcript or we have whatever, how about actually refuting a theory with which you don’t agree by using something other than Obot supplied information?
How about your brain? You have a pretty darn good one. How about using it instead of serving up provenance supplied by people we know are lying scoundrels?
Hey, what’s going on with you lately? Did someone highjack your screen name?
That is not true. I have categorically rejected the Obama family sage relating to the year beginning August 1961!
Remember that SADO’s year in WA with baby Barry invalidates the “Dreams” narrative of the newly married couple and destroys the Obama family myth, Barry's credibility and that of Abercrombie as well.
When evaluating this investigation, I have always advocated that each piece of claimed evidence must be examined on its own merits and either accepted or rejected on that basis. Documents that can be subsequently validated as to provenance have the highest credibility.
Remember how it started? Stanley Ann Dunham's passport data revealed that BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA was removed from her passport, and the name SOEBARKAH was crossed out.
And there we were, all this time, thinking his name might have been BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA SOETORO.
Compare her handwriting with any of the other passport documents, and it's quite evidently her handwriting.
The above image discovered on the WTPOTUS website quite some time ago, always intruiged me. I have posted that before, with the question 'who are these people'?
Recently, we decided to check out SOEBARKA. Where might that name have come from?
Are the five males in the group image with 'Barry' the SAME FIVE MALES shown above in the group years later, with their own families, wives and children? The images originate from an Indonesian website FOR THE SOEBARKAH FAMILY.
Now note the couple in the centre...
They are the same couple as in the family group with five males - looks like an Indonesian wedding image...
Now here is LOLO:
It sure makes one wonder...doesn't it?
“That is not true. I have categorically rejected the Obama family sage relating to the year beginning August 1961!”
The problem with your approach, though, is that it is too limiting. I think evaluating each document or each photo or each quote, etc. is necessary but if you do nothing but that, if you stop there you are going to limit your chance of finding the truth. I don’t think it is a bad idea to come up with a theory, float it and see how it would account for the discrepancies in the official tale.
Hey, I still have one theory on my list about Ann that will really get me a hammering from you:
Stanley A. Dunham is grandpa’s name and SAD’s name, right? Well, what if Stanley A. Dunham wasn’t the SAD we know her to be and was really Stanley Armour Dunahm Jr. and grandpa actually did get the son always wanted? The son could have died prior to Zero running for office and his handlers retro-fit SAD into the name when they were looking for a mother for the story. Why would I think that one up? I found it hard to believe that any mother would allow her daughter to be named “Stanley”.
I imagine a lot depends upon if this image and signature are to be believed.
Susan Blake, in the video that was cut down to a few seconds, originally said 'she always introduced herself as Stanley' - but THAT was long before ANNA OBAMA was found, and they tried to turn her into ANNA.
thanks for that link, I read the article, sorry to be so long getting back to you. All things considered, it’s beginning to look like she was nothing but THE NANNY.
I'm still instinctively bound by my audit and forensic training to examine each piece of evidence very carefully and to avoid overstating or understating its potential importance. This training (when I am able to set aside my emotions and bias) has always helped my avoid premature acceptance of evidence or premature rejection of evidence.
You will recall that I was zotted for insisting that a particular piece of evidence was being prematurely rejected. I never said that evidence was authentic and should be accepted but only that I was not convinced that it should be rejected, yet.
Auditors are used to operating in a “trust but verify” environment where a key part of your job is to prevent the same people that are paying you from ripping other people off either intentionally or accidentally. Embarrassing confrontations go with the territory. Feelings of folks who thought you were their friend and “on their side” can get hurt (sometimes deservedly so, sometimes that is just where the facts lead).
I engage in a lot of wild, unsubstantiated speculation, but I say that that is what it is. But I Avoid going anyplace where a credible, potentially verifiable document trail is already blocking the way. (I look at SADO’s Mercer, HI and WA college records that way.) I try to thread my way between the narrative points where there is more solid documents and evidence and try to minimize resort to conspiracy theories.
SADO's U. of WA record destroys Obama’s narrative in Dreams and his foundational 2004 Democrat Convention speech. The U. of WA narrative opens the question “Where was SADO before she is documented to be in WA in Sep, 1961?” If she crosses as much of the Pacific from Hawaii to WA with a newborn she could have easily crossed other oceans leading back to Kenya.
So coming back to the thread topic, Obama’s angry Aunt Zeituni and family could actually have received a letter in the Northwest tribal area from BHO Sr. sent from Hawaii. But the letter could have announced Barry's birth...which happened to be in Mombasa...if SADO was hidden away with missionaries there during her scandalous pregnancy.
The only conspiracy needed for SADO to be with missionaries is a conspiracy to hide a pregnant daughter or mistress, something which happened all over the country at that time.
Who had the means, motive and opportunity to send SADO to Kenya? The KGB with Soviet money or FM Davis and his rich wife with the cooperation of cash-strapped likely Communist Party member, BHO Sr.
Let us see the documents you have in your possession.
This was really sick to be sure.
I note that Stanley Armour's mom committed suicide and he got in trouble for punching out someone early in life. This makes me think of familial bipolar mania, often with delusions, which is often co-morbid with narcissism and even borderline personality disorder (talk about bad luck in the genes! Unfortunately I have a lot of experience in my extended family with these highly inheritable conditions.
A person with these co-morbid psychiatric disorders could easily name a daughter “Stanley” and also turn a daughter and a grandson over to be mentored by a pedophile, not that I know this happened, of course.
You are close to being zotted from the ping list.
familial bipolar mania, often with delusions, which is often co-morbid with narcissism and even borderline personality disorder (talk about bad luck in the genes!
Certain light-fingered fellow citizens will help themselves to any “souvenir” HS yearbook that will link them to the anointed Zero through his mother. That doesn't mean the yearbooks are fake, only that dishonest folks stole them, I suspect. Think of what they would bring in E-bay!
This is an example where no conspiracy theory that Mercer HS yearbooks are being destroyed to incriminating Obama evidence, but rather simple human motives leading to theft.
“familial bipolar mania, often with delusions, which is often co-morbid with narcissism and even borderline personality disorder (talk about bad luck in the genes!”
I was talking about my second ex-wife, of course!
And think of how disappointed the 'thieves' might feel, when they find she's not in them...
Um...that would be ill-advised I would think...although my system appears to have experienced a sophisticated attack through my firewall after my recent posts...so I am not sure who knows what I have on my system.
As a severely disabled, nearly home-bound person with a neurological condition (who none-the-less gives a monthly contribution to FR from my fixed disability income...which I recommend to all) my ability to obtain original evidence is not that great. I can only post between the four restorative naps I must take every day.
But I can still evaluate evidence using what remains of my analytical skills, and I can encourage FReepers not to overstate or undervalue the evidence in front of them when I believe I see that happening.
I’ll bet if someone could have interviewed Grandma Mad before she supposedly died in Hawaii (died of natural causes, murdered, still alive are the three possibilities), we would have some more discrepancies to evaluate. Unfortunately, she had a guard there in her residence to make sure no one talked to her. That person was not Maya btw, it was a man named Michael Coad.
Quit trying to play the sympathy card.
Everyone has problems.
~ I'll show you mine if you'll show me yours...
You go first.
Hmm, I’m not very familiar with Ebay. Can someone put a listing that they WANT something on Ebay? It’s possible to do that with Craigslist. But CL is free.
First I (remember) hearing of that. Who is Michael Coad? He lived in her apartment or camped outside?
I really have to disagree with there, Seize.
1. The public has never seen one year book from MIHS for 1958, 1959, 1960 and 1961. (yes, there were supposedly close ups of some of those in the Jones video but I have problems with what they show)
2. The e-yearbook site doesn’t have one from any of those years.
3. Ancestry.com does not have a MIHS yearbook from any of those years.
4. There were at least 480 students who graduated from MIHS or attended during those class years and no one has posted a single photo from those yearbooks anywhere except those that were used in telling the Obama family story.
5. It is impossible to get a copy of the Tyee (Univ. of WA yearbook) for 1960 anywhere.
There’s more, but you get the drift. Add that to the “stolen yearbook” story and you still think there’s nothing abnormal about the yearbook issue?
...BTW, if he dropped the project, it would be interesting to know why.
Espinoza, who splits his time between the Island and Los Angeles, has been on Mercer Island looking for more information about Dunhams time here, combing through newspapers at the library, school records and talking to Dunhams classmates from Mercer Island High School.
Mercer Island had a great influence on the rest of her life, he said.
The film will take viewers to the places that Dunham lived and worked, from her birthplace in Kansas to Indonesia to Hawaii. The plan is for a film crew to come to Seattle and Mercer Island as well.
The filmmakers are eager for some way to glean more information and, hopefully, images of the presidents mother. The team is hoping that there are more photos and some home movies perhaps from a slumber party, a dance, or an event at Mercer Island High School.
The tiny snapshots we have dont tell the story, Espinoza said. We are looking for what we havent seen.
Oh boy, isnt that RICH! Cant you just imagine him looking for something a dozen or more of us have been looking for, for at least two years? And all of them closed up like clams...like little Joelle (what-was-her-name?)telling the interviewer she was told not to say any more ...and had to hang up now and all the classmates who cant find their yearbook, although its in the house here somewhere and the woman at reception at the school who said we had SIX books here until recently, but they were all stolen...and out of the hundreds of students of the class of 1960, NOT ONE has come forward with a Yearbook!
Your comment really hit my funny-bone. Best LOL Ive had all week. He doesnt need to ABANDON THE PROJECT so much as forget he ever started it. There isnt any THERE THERE...because the little there is has been buried, tampered with, obscured, lied about and plastered with images that are obvious fakes.
Welcome to The Birther World, Mr Espinoza!
Stanney was the nanny?
He lived in her apartment I would assume since his address was her exact address in the year or so leading up to her reported death.
It LOOKS like she was THE NANNY. More follows.
Thanks Butter, but I’m royally pissed at Jason Lewis for being so closed minded and so eager to support Obama.
He apparently accepts everything the chicago spin machine uses to explain away every controversial Obama item, so I don’t want to bother anyone with that a-hole again.
He gives the DNC talking points for every wierd quirk about Zero’s past.
He might as well change his name to Jason McCain.
THE SOEBARKAH SAGA CONTINUED
From another website (no soure provided) I read that an important ‘Military Man’ named SOEBARKAH was a coffin-bearer at the funeral of SUKARNO, President of Indonesia. Sukarno was deposed in 1967, died in 1970.
Searching for any SOEBARKAH/SUKARNO/SEOTORO connection, I GOOGLED SUKARNO/SOETORO.
THERE ARE SEVERAL RESULTS. BUT DON’T GO THERE! MALWARE ATTACK!
HOWEVER, I DID RUN ACROSS THIS LITLE GEM:
Laura Iandola, Ph.D. candidate, History and Graduate Assistant, Center for Southeast Asian Studies, Northern Illinois University
Lecture title: Malcolm X, Sukarno’s Indonesia, and the Politics of Bandung
Sukarno, Indonesia’s first president, and Malcolm X shared the platform at Harlems Abyssinian Baptist Church in 1956, introduced there by mutual friend Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. The relationship launched there endured until Malcolm Xs untimely death in 1965, two weeks before he was slated to speak at the Asian-African Islamic Conference in Jakarta. He had also planned to attend the tenth anniversary celebration of the 1955 Bandung Conference, the first large-scale Asian-African conference. Iandola explores this little-known relationship to illuminate their ideological affinities as well as the Cold War politics of the Third World.
NOW ISN’T THAT A SURPRISE...
Very interesting. That would explain something. The info about Soebarkah getting crossed off her passport, the anomalies with regards to Lolo’s addresses in Hawaii, and I think some other oddities - differing dates for their marriage, maybe.
It's a relatively harmless opinion. It's his support for all things Arab and Muslim that could get somebody killed. I've listened to him for years and think he has decided the way to get noticed in the talk show biz is to say things people don't expect. He's an ugly, red headed Kathleen Parker.
Well well WELL well well.
Stanney was the nanny?
‘gimme a little ping, will ya, huh??’
Someone posted a thread some time ago.....Sarah Obama “Obama was adopted.” “he passed thru my hands”.
Barack Obama: Working to Make a Difference By Marlene Targ Brill.
“Obama ate dogs when he was a boy in Indonesia.”
I’m just the trouble-maker, LucyT keeps the ping list...are you on that?
apparently there's a tribal ceremony, when a child is born or comes into the clan, they pass the child from one member of the clan to another...now, which child is she trying to tell us passed through her hands? The child of Anna Obama - that the kenyan and Ruth took to kenya with them - the dark one of the 'two little boys'?
...other way around would be better?
just verrrrrrrry curious about stannynanny.... :)
keep making trouble.
The mysterious Mr Coad who lived in Madelyn’s apartment? Funny how no one ever mentioned him...
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