Skip to comments.Have We Reconciled
Posted on 04/16/2011 6:27:28 AM PDT by Davy Buck
This is a perplexing question, as it relates to the WBTS. In some ways, yes. In others, no. I, like many of you, recently (and for the 3rd or 4th time), watched Ken Burns' PBS documentary, The Civil War. Even though I have several criticisms of the Burns' film, I still find it a fascinating piece of work and very educational. I've always thoroughly enjoyed watching the film, despite its shortcomings. One of the more moving parts of this film comes near the end, as shown below. Pay close attention at about 30 seconds in and listen as historian David McCullough narrates the moving "reenactment" of Pickett's charge at the 50th anniversary reunion at Gettysburg. I believe one can detect the emotion in McCullough's voice as it sounds like he almost chokes up in recounting the emotional event. I don't think he's acting. I don't mind admitting that I too was moved with emotion in hearing McCullough recount the story . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...
:)Your grandmother was a wonderful and very wise woman.
Why don’t you grow a pair and put what state you’re from in your profile...hider!
My guess is.... absolutely!
When are we just going to AMERICANS??
When all of the liberals, progressives and pinkos are gone, so it looks like we have a longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg wait...... and where do most of them live? East and west coast with small pockets elsewhere but the South is red country for the most part and you KNOW IT!
I live in New Jersey. I’ve said that here before, where have you been?
Ah, Madame apparently you’ve no sense of humor. And don’t you ever again get it in to your head to tell me anything.
Yeah, you’ve checked every corner of the south to root out the pinkos. Uh huh. “Jerk””? Ok. Fine. That’s so fifth-grade of you.
Sure it does General Lee. It means the North beat your ass. And using communist Vietnam as an analogy is pretty piss poor. It wasn’t about communism in 1861. How would you Rebs be treating the rest of us if your side had won?
I would volunteer to contribute to the poll - but rockrr seems to have stopped responding, and wandered off somewhere...
j: Sure it does General Lee. It means the North beat your ass.
Just my opinion, but your 'might-makes-right' argument would need more than just a little work, to meet even "fifth-grade" standards, my friend!
(You might ask rockrr for input - he's around here somewhere... ;>)
Traveling, working, fishing, diving and living my life. NJ, that figures. A South hating Yankee.
Well he did do us the service of answering the question of whether or not he’s a fool.
hell we never know who they are really and enough have been exposed as fakirs or agtiprop coverts over the years so who really knows
they get caught lying who they are all the time and making up stuff
we knew who Walt was ...just took Fresno a long time to decide they'd had enough
nonsensical as well...teacher in Kansas..wasn't that it?
I mean so many have lied and lied over the years...not all to be fair but a lot
the trend for imposters on south bashing threads amongst NeoUnionists is highest there is on the forum
I guess your humor is very lacking because I don’t think insulting someone as you did to be funny.
And...lastly...don’t ever threaten me again.
i don't go running to post threads about things I dislike about non southerners
nor things I myself like about my own kind either really
these folks claims they want us to all be Americans
what they want is the right to insult us without consequence so they can preen with indignation over something they rarely know much about or they have their own skin in the game
but historically I have found less angry black guys-gals here and more just obnoxious brainwashed what culture war pitiful Woods(a denigration of the term) from homogeneous areas that know nothing about much except what they think is the right answer in politically correct terms...but for that they are on the wrong forum..try Kos or HuffPo...
I will let the words of President Davis speak for me:
"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language." -- Jefferson Davis President CSA
Since Adams backs you up on this, he's trustworthy and admirable. If he disagreed with you about secession, you'd attack him as a typical elitist and racist Boston Brahmin (which he largely was, not a "Yankee" by the way -- at least not the way we use the word up heah).
There's no point in discussing with you: the way your spelling, grammar, and capitalization have improved over the past week, you'll have seen through all this neoconfederate nonsense by the end of this week, if not sooner.
First of all, that's pretty clearly untrue. Ordinary Northerners provide a lot of material for comedy. Maybe we just don't think of them as a "laboring class."
Secondly if it were true, it wouldn't help your argument or side: if Southerners were natural buffoons, there wouldn't be anything objectionable or unnatural in making fun of them.
Third, your comment is pretty revealing. All this complaining about how the Northern "they" are always ridiculing and looking down on the Southern "us" -- you have as much contempt for Northerners as any of us has for you, probably much more.
Madame, I’m not threatening you.Don’t flatter yourself. I would never behave in such a way toward a woman. And as to the gentleman I posed that question to, he found it quite amusing, as it was meant to be, a kind of touche moment. Actually that question itself was from a Marx brothers movie. Are you familair with the Marx brothers? And he was the person I was talking to, there was no need for you to butt in or didn’t your mother ever teach you that butting into other peoples conversations was impolite?
Jeff Davis is long dead, thanks be to God. I’m asking you. Are you capable of your own opinions? How would the CSA have treated the vanquished North?
I’ve won plenty in my life pal. ‘’Honor’’? h-o-n-o-r. Here’s another way U-S-A. I don’t need life lessons pal. Certainly not from anyone defending the Confederacy, that’s for sure.
Sorry to burst your bubble ‘joe’’, but I don’t hate Southerners or the South. There isn’t a single spot of this great land or anybody in it that I hate, well, Muslims anyway. Only because they hate me.And if your not a Muslim they hate you too. I don’t hate you ‘’joe’’. Hate is a very expensive emotional investment to make and right now any ‘’hate’’ that I have, God forgive me, is on Muslims. I don’t like, I’m angry with people who live in the South or the North, (and believe me, you don’t think you’ve still got sympathizers up here?) and romance a world and a history they were no part of and a history that had at it’s central core, like or not, a system that was built on slavery. And a system, that if it had prevailed would have meant either a divided and Balkanized America or who knows what . I call myself an American. You want to know why? It’s certainly not ,as someone here said of me, that I had been ‘’conditioned in the public schools to think that way’’ and that I’’ probably hated history’’. I went to Catholic schools for most of my life and I did go to a public high school and I loved history. I call myself an American because men and women I wouldn’t have been worthy to be spat on by paid the ultimate price for the right and the honor I have to say that. And that includes members of my own family. Fishing huh? I live eight miles from the coast but I’m not a fisherman. Do love the outdoors though. We DO have them in in ‘’Joisey’’. You have a nice night.
Oh, I don’t think so. That’s the question a lot of America’s former enemies used to ask. Simply because America had won a war, that meant it was ‘’right’’? Well considering that America never started wars with anybody and ended up winning those launched against it (including in 1861) I’d say ‘’Yeah, might DOES make right.’’ Certainly beats whatever would be in second place. Because to quote General Omar Bradley: “In war there’s no second place for the runner-up’’. You can bet damn sure that if the South had won in 1865 they’d damn sure be saying that they were ‘’right’’, right? :-)
Fair enough, you made your point. Still, I could never live north of the Mason Dixon line. :P
Tell that to the Finns, the Poles - and the Irish...
How would the CSA have treated the vanquished North?
"Vanquished?" You seem to have misinterpreted history. The seceded States were not attempting to conquer and occupy the 'rump' union remaining to their north. I suspect that what was left of the United States would have been treated appropriately - approximately like we treat Canada, for example...
I don’t recall us going to war with the aforementioned. You’re missing the question. How would the South have handled a vanquished North? How would it have absorbed the northern states and how would it have administered them? Would Northerners have been automatically made ‘’citizens’’ of the CSA? Would there have ‘’war crimes’’ trials for example? What would have been done with President Lincoln? And would slavery have continued? Funny you should mention Canada. My daughter-in-law is from Canada.
Have you ever been north of the Mason/Dixon line? It’s nice up here. I’ve been south of that line. Many times. North Carolina mostly. Two of my brothers went to college there. Outside of Charlotte. I’ve a sister-in-law from NC. NC’s nice. Very nice. South Carolina’ s nice too. Been there as well.
To you and your relatives up North; please stay where you are.
I don't recall suggesting we had.
Youre missing the question. How would the South have handled a vanquished North? How would it have absorbed the northern states and how would it have administered them? Would Northerners have been automatically made citizens of the CSA? Would there have war crimes trials for example? What would have been done with President Lincoln?
As I noted previously, "You seem to have misinterpreted history. The seceded States were not attempting to conquer and occupy the 'rump' union remaining to their north." In other words, I think your question (particularly as expanded upon above) is completely irrelevant...
” If he disagreed with you about secession, you’d attack him as a typical elitist and racist Boston Brahmin “
So what are you, a fortune teller? Or just an arrogant damyankee twit? (excuse the redundancy, bub)
“which he largely was, not a “Yankee” by the way — at least not the way we use the word up heah”
You apply Yankee the way you want, and I’ll do the same thank you very much.
I see pelham has learned how to do ad hominea. I wonder if he has learned to recognize the difference?
Well lookee who showed up. Is the Wobbly meeting over for the night?
“And dont you ever again get it in to your head to tell me anything.”
Frankly, that’s not just threatening, it’s misogynistic on it’s face.
“And he was the person I was talking to, there was no need for you to butt in or didnt your mother ever teach you that butting into other peoples conversations was impolite?”
I wasn’t “butting in”. I was pinged, or didn’t you bother to notice.
BTW, since you are so interested in FR etiquette, it’s always polite...and expected...that you ping any freeper whith whom you are discussing.
I guess no one taught you proper manners.
“what they want is the right to insult us without consequence so they can preen with indignation over something they rarely know much about or they have their own skin in the game”
Which is what this person did...he/she didn’t ping you when talking about you.
Bumping the rest of your post to the very top!
You really think that after opening a war against the North and if having won, the South would have stopped then and there? I don’t.
Madame I was taught better manners then you ever were.
Nah, I’m thinking of heading your way dude, me and a whole passel ‘o’ Yankees are heading for ya! Run for the hills Reb!
‘’Misogynistic’’? Madame you make me laugh. Always do spot inventory taking of people you don’t know, do you? Madame I laid my sainted mother to rest five years ago, I’ve a beautiful wife, two kid sisters, five sisters-in-law, seven nieces and a beautiful daughter-in-law(from Canada, eh!) and I love and cherish them all as they do me. Stick to what ever it is you may know best because pop psychology sure don’t fit your pistol.
Actually, if secession was constitutional (and State secession was nowhere prohibited by the U.S. Constitution), then it was the north that initiated hostilities by refusing to remove federal troops from military installations inside seceded States. As I noted earlier, the constitutionality of State secession is the critical issue.
...and if having won, the South would have stopped then and there?
Why not? The goal of the seceding States was to detach themselves from their former union - not rule over it.
Congratulations. And perhaps you believe that the American colonies, 'after opening a war against Great Britain and having won, would NOT have stopped then and there'...
Victory in war changes things. Our intent was to separate from England. We did. Flush with that success and mindful that there was an entire continent to the west, well the rest is history.You seem to stay in the belief the South would have been content with just separating from the North. And then what? The North licks it’s wounds and then renews the fight another day? If the South had won they’ve have ‘’crossed the Rubicon’’. They would have had to take stock of where they were and realize, like it or not, there would have been bigger things at stake then just establishing a small confederation of states.
Victory in war changes things. Our intent was to separate from England. We did. Flush with that success and mindful that there was an entire continent to the west, well the rest is history.
Westward expansion of the American States was not inconsistent with independence from Great Britain. Speaking of expansion, the self-styled Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union offered statehood to Canada ("Canada acceding to this confederation, and adjoining in the measures of the united States, shall be admitted into, and entitled to all the advantages of this union"), but that offer was not renewed under the terms of the Constitution - another one of many differences between the two compacts.
You seem to stay in the belief the South would have been content with just separating from the North. And then what?
The two countries go their separate ways - like the United States and Canada?
The North licks its wounds and then renews the fight another day?
That decision would have been up to "the North"...
If the South had won theyve have crossed the Rubicon. They would have had to take stock of where they were and realize, like it or not, there would have been bigger things at stake then just establishing a small confederation of states.
Interesting to meet someone here can read the minds of dead people...
Interesting to meet someone here who can read the minds of dead people’’. Could say the same of you. It isn’t ‘’mindreading of dead people’’, it would simply be the situation the South found itself in. Victory isn’t always so clean-cut.
You, my friend, are long on opinion and short on fact. 'Stick to that, because history sure dont fit your pistol'...
Really? I’m not so sure of your history. You seem to think the CSA would have had a neat little time of itself if it had prevailed. I don’t think so.
Just because you have many female relatives, that doesn’t mean that you treat them well. I didn’t say what I said because of them and how you treat them. I said it because of how you treated me.
That ain’t pop psychology, bub.
Bump dat! ;o)
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