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Deconstructing the new Obama Certificate of Live Birth
citizen5408.com ^ | April 27, 2011 | Greg C.

Posted on 04/27/2011 1:53:34 PM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

A caller to the Rush Limbaugh show today pointed out an interesting factoid about the so-called "long-form" birth certificate, which the Obama White House released today.

The document is a .pdf file which can be downloaded from this link. The file is an Adobe Acrobat ".pdf" file, which can also be opened by Adobe's other graphics programs Photoshop and Illustrator.


(Excerpt) Read more at gregcontreras.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birth; birthcertificate; blogpimp; certifigate; colb; eligibility; hawaii; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: MeshugeMikey
WHERE IS THE RAISED SEAL?? IS THIS IMAGE FROM A REAL PAPER OR JUST ANOTHER CGI?? F FOR FORGERY
51 posted on 04/27/2011 2:42:32 PM PDT by VU4G10
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To: Jean S

Feepers might know the name Jerome Corsi and be familiar with some of his work. I expect that Mr. Corsi will get exactly ZERO interviews with anything approaching a main-stream-media outlet. That being the case, why should Obama be afraid of Mr. Corsi’s book?


52 posted on 04/27/2011 2:44:00 PM PDT by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: donaldtrump

Trump: Demand Lakin’s immediate release!!


53 posted on 04/27/2011 2:44:41 PM PDT by rokkitapps
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To: frogjerk

frogjerk,
Yes, you are correct, that claim is repeated often.
and yes, people like you correctly keep saying the “2 million” or whatever has no proof.
...which ignores the point, by sand-dancing about the amount.
who cares how much? whether it is $100, or $100,000, or $ 1 million...
...if it is more than $15, what was the point of hiding it for 3 years, when proving you are eligible to lead this great country, should be a matter of pride!
UPI 1952:
“However, the need arose when he became a presidential candidate. Since Eisenhower was the oldest man to be elected president since James Buchanan over 100 years earlier, age was obviously not at issue. Instead, there was protocol in place for presidential candidates to provide proof of eligibility to appear on the ballot.”
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/03/reminder-dwight-d-eisenhower-had-to.html
Col. Lakin, a hero, and a doctor, wrote a very respectful letter to his Commander in Chief, about a matter of conscience. ...now, he is in prison. ...again, why didn’t he simply release the long form 3 years ago, as John McCain did?
(and again, i believed President Obama was born in Hawaii even before today’s release. I simply didn’t understand his secrecy and lack of transparency...)


54 posted on 04/27/2011 2:53:18 PM PDT by Elendur
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To: frogjerk

Lawyers cost money. Teams of lawyers fighting numerous court battles adds up to large sums of money. I think the $2 million is a generally-accepted estimate and not meant to be too specific. If anyone has estimates or information to the contrary I’d be glad to see it.

There’s also no proof that the Million Man March had a million people but it’s still called that.

In the future, when you read “spent $2 million” you can simply edit it in your head to be “spent large sums of money” like I do. Same difference.


55 posted on 04/27/2011 2:56:49 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( No legit president needs to fake a birth certificate. Ever. )))))
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To: Elendur
I agree with you but I think throwing that number around is just fodder for people who dismiss the real issue out of hand.

And I wont repeat the claim.

56 posted on 04/27/2011 2:58:23 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: Bean Counter

The signature is the same one as in Post #17, which had no reason to be faked.


57 posted on 04/27/2011 3:09:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: Two Kids' Dad

You cannot be interested in discovering the truth about Obama if you are going to throw around unsubstantiated claims of specific amounts of money. It is hypocritical and damages your powers of persuasion.I am only interested in what is reported as fact is substantiated. There are enough messed up truths about Obami that we don’t need to be making things up.


58 posted on 04/27/2011 3:12:05 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: mnehring
So it is unsubstantiated then that Obami has spent over 2 million dollars exclusively on keeping the birth certificate hidden.
59 posted on 04/27/2011 3:14:17 PM PDT by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: PGR88

“An article in National Review Online points out that all scans to Adobe PDF are “layered” as part of the software - pointing out that such layering is therefore not relevant, and does not necessarily indicate it is a fake..”

B.S.

NRO is covering for Obama.


60 posted on 04/27/2011 3:14:37 PM PDT by Uncle Slayton (Texan Pride)
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To: frogjerk

It is just an assumption. People want to believe it is just for the BC but they don’t think about all the other things he may have needed attorneys for- which, if you are running for President, would be a lot.


61 posted on 04/27/2011 3:18:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: frogjerk

Agreed. For the record, I don’t personally use the $2 million number or any other specific amount, which is why I change it in my head as I read posts where others do use the specific number(s).

The actual number isn’t important. The fact that he chose to fight it and all and spend any sum of money is the important part of that argument. He paid others to avoid disclosing what he (purportedly) disclosed today. That makes him look shady and dishonest.


62 posted on 04/27/2011 3:20:23 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( No legit president needs to fake a birth certificate. Ever. )))))
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To: spookie

I’m thinking they put african because Sr. was from Africa.


63 posted on 04/27/2011 3:21:15 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: PGR88
You can scan a document into Adobe and have the software recognize the words. It then translates that into the "layers" and the words can be edited but the software uses the fonts only in your computer or the Adobe software, not the original fonts (the downfall of Dan Rather).

You can also scan a document and turn it into a .jpg file or a few other picture formats. These are just pictures and the words cannot be edited.

64 posted on 04/27/2011 3:22:27 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

I was going to refrain from ths discussion, but too many folks are missing the more salient points. First, to be a “natural born” citizen of the United States (and, therefore, eligible to be POTUS), BOTH parents must be American citizens. The BC, whether real or another fake (like he previous COLB) confirms that his father was “African”. The fact is that his father was Kenyan and was in Hawaii attending school as a student. The result is that Obama can NEVER be a natural born citizen of the US because both of his parents were not American citizens. The Consttution is pretty clear about this.

But, we delve further into this mystery. At around the age of 10 or 12 (I don’t know Obama’s history verbatim . . . . . and don’t care!) he was adopted by an Indonesian, Barry Soetero, thereby further obscuring his lineage and making it more certain that he does not meet the Constitutionally required criteria of being a “natural born citizen”. Obama’s citizenship cannot transfer solely from the mother, in order to meet the Constitutional criteria, it can only transfer from both parents and, if his father was “African (Kenyan)”, there is no way that he meets the eligibility requirements established by the Constitution to be POTUS.

See? It’s much more simple than just the BC, but deconstructing this latest version should be entertaining.

It would be much more illustrative to know what country’s passport he traveled on as a young man, particularly when he was in college. But, I don’t see that information being released.

(BTW, I’m not a Constitutional attorney, nor an attorney at all and I don’t play one on TV. I just read a lot.)


65 posted on 04/27/2011 3:23:03 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: jersey117

Which would be fine for a category called “Nationality” or “Continent of Father’s Home Country” but that’s not what the box shows.


66 posted on 04/27/2011 3:24:41 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( No legit president needs to fake a birth certificate. Ever. )))))
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To: Uncle Slayton
NRO is covering for Obama.

Oh, too funny. Someone else said earlier that Fox News was also covering him.

Come on people, Obama is a US citizen and this conspiracy stuff makes us look like wackos. Trump now wants college transcripts, he's letting go of the birth certificate issue.

Trump is using us.

67 posted on 04/27/2011 3:28:12 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: avacado
Nope. Kapiolani was used in 1961. Here’s Elizabeth Nordyke’s certificate born August 5, 1961.

What? I was afraid that was too easy. But it still doesn't make sense. Here's a screenshot of the "About Us" page from the Kapiolani Med Ctr website that I took today:


68 posted on 04/27/2011 3:33:40 PM PDT by Grim (That's why I'm voting for Sarah.)
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To: Tallguy

I ordered Corsi’s book last week and I think today’s unveiling of the bc torpedoes that book completely. I doubt anyone will have him on their shows to hawk a book that many will see as irrelevant.


69 posted on 04/27/2011 3:34:24 PM PDT by surrey
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To: FreedomFighter1013

post 5 in this fr thread has a better copy of this image

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2711307/posts


70 posted on 04/27/2011 3:50:37 PM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: Tallguy

Feepers might know the name Jerome Corsi and be familiar with some of his work. I expect that Mr. Corsi will get exactly ZERO interviews with anything approaching a main-stream-media outlet. That being the case, why should Obama be afraid of Mr. Corsi’s book?


Corsi’s first interview is on Hannity...


71 posted on 04/27/2011 3:52:53 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: mnehring

are you a real posters ot a government software program designed to go on every thread and post this nonsense. A single document copied to this format would appear as 1 field. If what you are saying is true there would be lots of little fields.

There’s a video where they take out the various levels one at a time.


72 posted on 04/27/2011 3:54:18 PM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: stockpirate

I am a computer program. I even was able to go back in time and plant this file that shows that it wouldn’t appear as a single layer as some claim knowing in the future it would be needed.
http://image.unb.br/queiroz/papers/icip08mrc.pdf

I also planted that belief in the heads of millions of people who deal with document scanning such as all the folks who scan books where the scans create text layers.

Yep, I’m just an obama computer conspiracy, none of that is true, it is all just more proof it is fake because some bloggers say so.


73 posted on 04/27/2011 3:57:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

Thanks for a post that should get more attention. The only thing the “layers” business proves is that the document was not provided in a form which allows any meaningful forensic analysis. While that might be suspicious in some cases, it’s really a non-issue here. What matters is whether the document as presented matches the record on file in Hawaii. If the custodian of records in Hawaii were to affirm that the document presented is a true and correct record, that’s as good as anything anyone can realistically ask for. If not, there would be no electronic document format that would allow for any type of certain authentication of the contents.

I do find it odd that Hawaiian officials seemed to make weasel statements regarding Obama’s earlier-posted “Certification of Live Birth”, since a lot of people would have been satisfied with a simple declaration that the information in that abstract precisely matched the original birth records.


74 posted on 04/27/2011 3:58:28 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: Grim

“Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” is clearly the name shown on the certificates for the Nordyke twins born the same week.

All the leftists out there are just looking for posts like this so they can ramp up their ridicule of those that have legitimate concerns about this snake. Try to avoid giving them ammunition.


75 posted on 04/27/2011 4:07:37 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: mnehring

Watch this video and listen to this it splained to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk


76 posted on 04/27/2011 4:07:45 PM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: spookie

I filled out the personal information on my daughter’s BC, including ‘race.’ My best guess is the same happened in this case. Obama Sr was a black man from Africa.. no doubt influenced by the pan-African movement represented by Jomo Kenyatta (sp). He probably just wasn’t used to the term ‘negro’ to describe himself. This wasn’t a ‘check the box’ sort of form. Obama Sr was conspicuously African and even though that isn’t a ‘race’ he probably put that down as his regardless.. or someone else did.


77 posted on 04/27/2011 4:15:22 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: stockpirate

I’ve seen it several times and it is obviously made by someone who is looking for any reason to say it is fake but doesn’t know what he is talking about; ignoring how most optical scanners work these days. The link I just posted, which predates all this by years and is unrelated to this issue, describes all the things that video says is proof, as normal parts of scanning.

Latching on to BS proof is just embarrassing our side and feeding ammo to our enemies.


78 posted on 04/27/2011 4:16:13 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Bean Counter

As a nurse I had to decipher lousy Dr signatures all the time. when I see that I see ‘Vick Lee.’ The person’s name was most likely Victor Lee.. would be a good place to start.


79 posted on 04/27/2011 4:19:51 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: mnehring
Kapi'olani Maternity Home - Founded 1890
Kauikeolani Children's Hospital - Founded 1909
Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children - Founded 1978
Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital - Name on alleged Birth Certificate

This is confusing.

80 posted on 04/27/2011 4:20:32 PM PDT by Grim (That's why I'm voting for Sarah.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

White House Birth Certificate is Forgery? 2 of 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPX33ZNdmlo

I think it is a forgery.
The pixelation of the number up at the top “10641” If you do a high magnification on it.
You can se pixelation around it.

Obama’s Birth Certificate Is 100% Fake? Professional Graphics Designer Agrees It’s A Fake 1 of 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMxVbPCPBY

Why does President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF Have Layers? 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTtengEvwk

Obama’s Birth Certificate Exposed Debunked as a Layered, Photoshopped, Fraud Hoax? 4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk


81 posted on 04/27/2011 4:35:53 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Obummer dumber than a teleprompter.)
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To: al baby

Yeah, but Krauthammer and the rest of Fox News says this puts the issue to rest. Nevermind, they never seriously discussed the issue to start with.

This is like a really bad twilight zone.


82 posted on 04/27/2011 4:38:00 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: mnehring

I think we should stick to this line of reasoning until Obama and Hawaii lets a team of investigators go in and view the original.

Have the team consist of Jerome Corsi, Hannity, Limbaugh and whoever they want from the left. Include their insane hippie governor.


84 posted on 04/27/2011 4:43:48 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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85 posted on 04/27/2011 4:47:27 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

I posted this on another thread back on Jan. 2nd.:

“This isn’t about the BC though, it’s about keeping all personal records under seal. Most likely he committed fraud getting student aid. That seems the most likely reason for the obsessive secrecy and the suspicious SSA number. Perhaps he applied for student aid as a foreign student.

In any case, it’s a shell game. He is most likely gearing up to release something like the LFBC - when people ask for more it will just bring the response ‘we told you those ‘birthers’ would never be satisfied.’

What you really want to see is all his student aid records from all three universities.”

I’m more convinced of this now than ever. It’s 3-card Monty. People should not allow themselves to be sucked into the game of choosing which shell hides the pea. We should not be forced to juvenile games when we seek legitimate information. That SSA number from Connecticut is very significant but let’s not make it another phantom pea. We should also concentrate as much on the name ‘Soetoro’ as ‘Obama’ when we make these academic inquiries as any wrong-doing almost certainly would have involved identity fraud.


86 posted on 04/27/2011 4:50:37 PM PDT by shadowland
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To: Jean S

“Come on people, Obama is a US citizen and this conspiracy stuff makes us look like wackos.”

IF Hussein’s BC is authentic, it proves he is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Simply being a US citizen without being a natural born citizen is not good enough, FRiend.


87 posted on 04/27/2011 5:06:24 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: stockpirate; mnehring

I opened the PDF in Illustrator to see what the claim was, and I found what the guy in the video found—which is not what he says he found. There’s only one layer in the file. That layer does contain “groups,” but there aren’t multiple layers as he and so many others claim. To turn a layered Photoshop file into a single-layer, multiple-group Illustrator file like this would require a conscious choice (aside from the question of why anyone would take a scan into Illustrator before making a PDF in the first place—though someone will probably argue that they did it on purpose as a secret signal that the document is fake).

I also opened the file in Acrobat, by the way, and there aren’t any layers in the PDF in Acrobat.

I don’t know exactly what the explanation is. But I have seen boxes like that around the text areas when I’ve scanned something into OCR software before. The most logical explanation is that whoever did the scanning had Acrobat’s OCR turned on by default and the text boxes ended up visible in Illustrator.


88 posted on 04/27/2011 5:31:15 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: shadowland

Didn’t Hussein say in “his” autobiography that he changed his name from Barry TO Barack?


89 posted on 04/27/2011 5:36:25 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: treetopsandroofs

There have been other presidents born without both parents being US citizens.


90 posted on 04/27/2011 5:43:14 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Yosemitest

THe Kenyan Birth Certificate says that Obama was born at 7:24 P.M. And the White House Birth Certificate gives the same time. Since the Kenyan Birth Certificate was released earlier, how could they know what time Obama was born? Am I missing something?


91 posted on 04/27/2011 5:44:05 PM PDT by Mimi3
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical; mnehring

well for sure none of us are experts, but we raised enough hell today that maybe someone that really knows what they are talking bout will look at this issue.

Till then tell your friend thanks.


92 posted on 04/27/2011 6:19:10 PM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

>>I also opened the file in Acrobat, by the way, and there aren’t any layers in the PDF in Acrobat<<

Which Acrobat did you run it on? The reader or full blown Acrobat?
Why did they scan it as an OCR instead of an image file?


93 posted on 04/27/2011 6:21:17 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I think we should stick to this line of reasoning until Obama and Hawaii lets a team of investigators go in and view the original.

Have the team consist of Jerome Corsi, Hannity, Limbaugh and whoever they want from the left. Include their insane hippie governor.


This stinks to high heaven...Mike Evans claimed Abercrombie told him it didn’t exist, and then Abercrombie said only a notation existed in the state archives.

And voila, now we get a long form COLB in advance of the release of Corsi’s book and the Obama’s appaearance on Oprah.

WTF???


94 posted on 04/27/2011 6:30:42 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Jean S

There have been other presidents born without both parents being US citizens.

.............................

Names please...

The Citizenship Status of Our 44 Presidents

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/02/citizenship-status-of-our-44-presidents.html


95 posted on 04/27/2011 6:53:59 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Grim

So the Nordyke COLB’s, which everyone accepts as authentic, are also forgeries? Because they list the exact same hospital name. Go read the Kapiolani website for yourself. It did not change to “Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital” in 1978. It changed to “Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children”.

Stop the insanity! Suck it up. Its real.


96 posted on 04/27/2011 7:29:02 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Bean Counter

Except of course that another COLB, issued in 1962, was signed by the same Local Registrar. See post 17.


97 posted on 04/27/2011 7:31:48 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Um, the dates are entered with a stamp, not a typewriter.


98 posted on 04/27/2011 7:35:08 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: FreedomFighter1013
I love the face-palm.

This whole issue today has deserved many...


99 posted on 04/27/2011 7:39:09 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I just went Alex Jones after watching this bad twilight zone movie from the so called conservative media..

..getting fitted for a tin foil hat tonight.


100 posted on 04/27/2011 8:24:59 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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