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OBAMA HAS SHOWN THE WORLD THAT HE WAS NOT BORN TO A U.S. CITIZEN FATHER, SO WHY IS HE IN THE WH?
The Post & Email ^ | Apr. 30, 2011 | Neil Turner

Posted on 04/30/2011 10:59:37 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

Obama has now personally and publicly acknowledged, albeit with the ‘silliness’ of an eight-year-old with a crayon and a piece of security paper*, that he is not a natural born Citizen – as defined by the Constitution:

1. Article II, Section 1:5 says that only a ‘natural born Citizen’ shall be eligible to the Office of President; 2. Article I, Section 8 says that Congress (under the authority granted by the People) shall have the power to… define and punish… Offenses against the Law of Nations; 3. The Law of Nations says that:

1.‘The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens’; 2.‘As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights’; 3.‘The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children’; 4.‘To be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.’ Now that Congress has been made fully (and publicly) aware that an ineligible non-natural born Citizen is occupying the Office of President and Commander in Chief (they could not be so stupid as to not know – see ‘Something Stupid This Way Comes’), it becomes incumbent upon them to begin impeachment proceedings immediately, lest their failure to act previously – or especially now that they and the whole world knows – makes them chargeable with Misprision of Treason.

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1 posted on 04/30/2011 10:59:39 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike
"SO WHY IS HE IN THE WH?"

Because 50% of the U.S. put him there.

2 posted on 04/30/2011 11:03:57 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Soothesayer9

bttt


3 posted on 04/30/2011 11:04:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

mark steyn says this is nuts.


4 posted on 04/30/2011 11:06:48 AM PDT by ken21 (dem taxes + regs + unions = jobs overseas.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Because most Americans think that natural born simply means born on American soil. They are apparently ok with an anchor baby in the white house too.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 11:08:26 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Hotlanta Mike

He was an anchor baby. That was the law and is the law.

Give it a rest, any remaining Birthers are seen as people who also think they were abducted by aliens.

This is political judo — the issue was working for him since the election, Trump turned it around, then the TOTUS-reader’s handlers turned it back for him by giving what was requested.


7 posted on 04/30/2011 11:09:45 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: ken21
Yeah, I heard him say that yesterday on Rush's show.

Just remember, Steyn is not Natural Born, and simply wrong on this issue.

8 posted on 04/30/2011 11:13:24 AM PDT by redshawk (Hey 0pansy. I'm scratching my nose too; and not with my index finger!)
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To: freedumb2003

I believe President Arthur had a foreign born parent


9 posted on 04/30/2011 11:15:15 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: MNDude
I believe President Arthur had a foreign born parent

Another good reason people should LET IT GO.

10 posted on 04/30/2011 11:16:35 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: freedumb2003

I agree with you.

There’s no meat on this particular bone. Move on.


11 posted on 04/30/2011 11:18:56 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Soothesayer9

50% of the VOTERS put him there. (Including fraud of prob about 6-8%)


12 posted on 04/30/2011 11:19:27 AM PDT by zwerni (this isn't gonna be good for business)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Because, if God and Satan were running against each other
this country would elect Satan.

We are a that tipping point.


13 posted on 04/30/2011 11:20:25 AM PDT by right way right
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To: freedumb2003
That was the law and is the law.

Give it a rest, any remaining Birthers are seen as people who also think they were abducted by aliens.

Thank you. Part of me wishes these birther stories would be purged from this site because they're making the rest of us look like morons.

US citizenship law distinguishes between birth citizenship and naturalized citizenship. There's no distinction within those who were born as US citizens as to whether they are are natural born or not. For anyone who believes otherwise, please post the valid sections of US code which back up that argument.

0bama was born in Hawaii to a woman who was a US citizen. He is a natural-born citizen. We don't like that, but it is the truth. Case closed.

14 posted on 04/30/2011 11:20:25 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: freedumb2003

Why?

Why can’t we talk about more than one reason Obama shouldn’t be President at the same time? The fact that he’s gone to great trouble to conceal all of his records and only now has finally released an electronic document that doesn’t prove anything is yet another reason he had to go in 2012.

If anyone here can do anything about the $150 million/hour spending that was the focus of the Steyn whine, great - do it.
Meanwhile, many who are powerless to control Congressional spending right now will talk about the BC and other Obama secrets.


15 posted on 04/30/2011 11:22:25 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Soothesayer9

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 makes him a citizen at birth. You’ll find it in the third major section of the law, the section beginning with 300, Nationality.

There’s nothing wrong with needling him about being born in Kenya, but an understanding of the facts at issue is important.


16 posted on 04/30/2011 11:24:09 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
Obama Confirms: Not a Natural Born Citizen
As the confirmed natural born son of a foreign father who was at no time in his life a citizen of the United States, Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States and he cannot be president of the United States, just as many suspected and the constitution states unequivocally.

8. Full Name of Father - Barack Hussein Obama
11. Birthplace - Kenya, East Africa

17 posted on 04/30/2011 11:24:55 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Soothesayer9
What is a natural born citizen.

This is the heart of your question.

I think that the information we have is such that there are two possible opinions on this topic.

The first is that our president's father may not have been legally married to our president's mother (as he had an earlier wife in Kenya). If that is the case would a single mother giving birth in the USA to a child not have that child be “naturally born?” Remember your argument seems to hinge on our president being born in a way that he had dual citizenship. If there are dual citizenship records for him, then yes, he is not a natural born citizen. If there aren't then he might be argue that his father's marriage to his mother was not legal and so he was a full US citizen at birth by an American mother within the USA.

Second, the question is what is a natural born citizen. We know what the Original Constitutional provision states and if there was a legal marriage and he had dual citizenship, then yes, I think perhaps he should not be eligible to be President under the Constitution as it was written long ago. But there have been amendments and there have been interpretations by the courts of citizenship and some of them use the terms natural born citizen. Under some of those changes that I have read, one could make a compelling argument that our president is eligible to be in the White House (as despicable and incapable as he may be).

I think folks would spend better time checking out his early school records to see if he claimed to be a foreign national, if he had a non-US passport, and why he seems to have had multiple social security numbers.

As to natural born, I will leave that one along, as I between what has been produced (which I believe was doctored) and the INS report on his father that says he had a child in Hawaii, are pretty compelling (although I do want to read the new book out to find out what has been found by that Harvard graduate in his research.)

Call me a rule of law (as amended and interpreted by the courts) kind of guy.

18 posted on 04/30/2011 11:25:24 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: redshawk

right on post #2 !

is steyn running for president?

did the Founders really declare independence becuz GEorge III spoke German ?


19 posted on 04/30/2011 11:25:31 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: philman_36

Please post the pertinent sections of US code which back up the notion that someone who has a father that was born abroad is not a natural born citizen.


20 posted on 04/30/2011 11:26:36 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: bigbob

By conflating the issues you put the real issues with the false one (birther).

It opens the Left to say “you were wrong about ‘A’ so you are wrong about ‘B’ ‘C’ and ‘D’ as well.”

This is what was requested, he provided it, drop it. Else it becomes an anchor.


21 posted on 04/30/2011 11:26:36 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: bigbob
The fact that he’s gone to great trouble to conceal all of his records
I think Obama is a passive-aggressive (among other things). That's why he's gone to all that trouble to conceal. I've worked with a few of them. He fits the profile.
22 posted on 04/30/2011 11:27:37 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Good question. My guess ... the public education system has failed us. A fair chunk of our population has an insufficient grasp of U.S. History and Civics. They just don't understand the rules or why the rules are important. We're officially "dumbed down". Our Founders would not stand for this.


23 posted on 04/30/2011 11:29:28 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: philman_36
As the confirmed natural born son of a foreign father who was at no time in his life a citizen of the United States, Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States and he cannot be president of the United States, just as many suspected and the constitution states unequivocally.

I just visited your link and that is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back.

It is 100% factually wrong in almost every statement it makes.

Do you have a link for meeting Elvis on a UFO -- that has more credibility.

Seriesly -- please stop spreading this nonsense. It splatters on all of us.

24 posted on 04/30/2011 11:31:38 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: Robert357

What is a natural born citizen.

This is the heart of your question.

To some, yes. However there is another valid question, and that is “what does the document released this week prove?”

In my opinion - the answer is “Nothing”.

It is a pdf electronic document, which is composed of various graphic elements. Anyone who knows how pdfs work can verify this. What is NOT is an image (like a scan or photograph) of a piece of paper.

Maybe years ago there was an original Obama HI birth certificate that was ultimately the source of the information that was contained in the pdf. If this could be proven I’ll be the first to agree this document carries some weight.

But without that proof - the textual content could as well have been typed by any of us.

Once you understand what the document is - and isn’t - the value of it as proof of birth disappears. All the original questions are still open, along with new ones, such as who created this pdf form, when, and why?


25 posted on 04/30/2011 11:31:49 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: freedumb2003; MNDude

In 1843, at the time of Arthur’s birth, his father had already obtain his U.S. citizenship.

Big difference when compared to Obama, especially in light of past cases involving presidential eligibility.

Also, very interesting as to how Bobby Jindal is not considered eligible to run for president due to his parents not being naturalized citizens at the time of his birth.


26 posted on 04/30/2011 11:33:28 AM PDT by motoman
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To: motoman
Also, very interesting as to how Bobby Jindal is not considered eligible to run for president due to his parents not being naturalized citizens at the time of his birth.

You'll have to source that one. If he was born on American soil, he is a natural born citizen under current law (look upthread -- someone cited the applicable law).

27 posted on 04/30/2011 11:39:37 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

SO WHY IS THIS HEADLINE SHOUTING AT ME?

This article doesn’t contribute a single new thought. I wish there was just one ongoing thread about the BC/NBC stuff, since 90% of it can be summed up as lather>rinse>repeat.

Either that, or put all of it in bloggers/personal section. I’d donate an extra $50 to the FReepathon if either of those things happen. I bet a lot of other FReepers would too.


28 posted on 04/30/2011 11:40:23 AM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: ken21
mark steyn says this is nuts.

My interpretation of what Styen said was that even if he is there illegally why are we wasting time on it since he cannot be removed and we should be spending every ounce of our energy in thwarting any further destruction of America - every ounce.
29 posted on 04/30/2011 11:41:17 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: bigbob
Why can’t we talk about more than one reason Obama shouldn’t be President at the same time?

Because when the Constitutional Gospel according to Saint De Vattel gets lumped in with Obama's AG deciding not to defend DOMA, it's the seriousness of the gay agenda radicalism that gets diminished.

There are very real, and daily attacks on the constitution. Throwing this crap into the mix only provides justification for the opposition to dismiss what they see as the entire "kook agenda".

30 posted on 04/30/2011 11:43:51 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I think the real important question, could it be asked, would be this very question of George Washington:

If GW were presented this information, would he affirm or deny the Bummer’s eligibility?


31 posted on 04/30/2011 11:44:49 AM PDT by nesnah
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To: pnh102
Wrong! I guess when laws don't meet your needs you ignore them.

"0bama was born in Hawaii to a woman who was a US citizen. He is a natural-born citizen. We don't like that, but it is the truth. Case closed."

U.S. law does not allow U.S. nationality to be conferred on a foreign born baby of a foreign father unless the mother has a total of 14 years U.S. residency, five (5) of those years post age 14. I believe that is 8 U.S.C. 1401.
32 posted on 04/30/2011 11:45:02 AM PDT by voveo
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The voters knew his father was not a citizen. Hillary & McCain saw no point to this. There is no definitive answer either way. Americans don’t care, elected republicans don’t care, and the media won’t let this catch fire. Even half of the conservative media does not care. This is un-winnable, and we need to put our energies into winning in 2012 because 2008 is over. Let’s be smart, we have much to do.


33 posted on 04/30/2011 11:45:30 AM PDT by wizard61 (Hack the Narrative!)
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To: Soothesayer9
Because 50% of the U.S. put him there.

Under The Constitution, if every person in the US voted for 0bama, he still should not qualified be in the WH.

34 posted on 04/30/2011 11:48:05 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: voveo
U.S. law does not allow U.S. nationality to be conferred on a foreign born baby of a foreign father unless the mother has a total of 14 years U.S. residency, five (5) of those years post age 14. I believe that is 8 U.S.C. 1401.

Unfortunately, this is not the case. 8 U.S.C. 1401 makes no mention of this regarding people who were born in the US to a woman who was a legal US citizen.

The law clearly shows that 0bama is a natural-born US citizen. It is time to drop the birther issue. It is done.

35 posted on 04/30/2011 11:49:35 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: MNDude

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish. Presidents with one immigrant parent are Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England, James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers, and Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) and Herbert Hoover (1929-1933), whose mothers were born respectively in England and Canada.


36 posted on 04/30/2011 11:52:56 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html

see "g", one must be 19 to confer citizenship.
37 posted on 04/30/2011 11:55:45 AM PDT by voveo
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To: Hotlanta Mike

The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens’
End of conversation, he’s a fraud and those who put him there are frauds, jail time needed


38 posted on 04/30/2011 11:57:34 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: freedumb2003
Right. The Constitution doesn't state that "unequivocally" or otherwise. So, to look at the meaning, you would have to go to the English common law where that term originated and understood - and natural born citizen's meaning was anyone born within the realm of the monarch.

These people on our side that continue to cling to this are worse than those on the other side who insist Gore won in 2000 and Kerry won in 2004, and that Kloppenberg actually won in Wisconsin and are pushing for the recounts.

39 posted on 04/30/2011 12:01:20 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: motoman
Also, very interesting as to how Bobby Jindal is not considered eligible to run for president due to his parents not being naturalized citizens at the time of his birth.

Who doesn't consider him eligible? Certainly no one credible.

41 posted on 04/30/2011 12:05:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: MNDude

Chester Arthur was an unelected President and his lack of qualification was not known until after his term.
He hid the fact that he was a British subject by descent and a dual citizen at birth, if not for his entire life.


42 posted on 04/30/2011 12:06:49 PM PDT by Halcontent
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To: iopscusa

Ah. A name-caller. Name-callers should be banned from Free Republic because they are ineffectual, whiny losers who make everyone at FR look bad.


43 posted on 04/30/2011 12:07:52 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: iopscusa
Why so prissy? The eligibility issue is well grounded as a Constitutional issue and if nothing else this discussion of natural born needs to take place. But A-holes like you are a dime a dozen amongst the chattering nimobbs of the right, the creepy Krauthammer, O’Reilly, Steyn, Coulter and several others attacking those seeking redress. Next you will be calling fellow freepers RACIST!

No - he's just someone speaking truth, level headedness, and commonsense amidst the craziness.

44 posted on 04/30/2011 12:08:28 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: freedumb2003
He was an anchor baby. That was the law and is the law.

Anchor babies are NOT qualified to be President.

45 posted on 04/30/2011 12:12:07 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: pnh102
Please post the pertinent sections of US code which back up the notion that someone who has a father that was born abroad is not a natural born citizen.
How about you post the specific sections of US code which back up your contention that someone who has a father that was born abroad is not a natural born citizen and we'll go from there.
46 posted on 04/30/2011 12:12:07 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: iopscusa

>>Why so prissy? The eligibility issue is well grounded as a Constitutional issue and if nothing else this discussion of natural born needs to take place.<<

Have another look at this post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2712868/posts?page=16#16

Do you refute the citation? An anchor baby is still a natural born citizen. If that should not be so, then that is an entirely different discussion. But I shouldn’t waste facts on nattering nabobs of naturalized nacenscy.

>> But A-holes like you are a dime a dozen amongst the chattering nimobbs of the right, the creepy Krauthammer, O’Reilly, Steyn, Coulter and several others attacking those seeking redress. <<

Well, Conspiracy Theorists A-holes like you appear to be a penny a pound. And most intelligent and thoughtful Conservatives (including Rush) agree with me.

I am sure you think the Trilateral Committee did this pdf and the Freemasons distributed it?


47 posted on 04/30/2011 12:17:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats. /P. J. O'Rourke, 1991)
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks for sharing your opinion.


48 posted on 04/30/2011 12:20:04 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Clara Lou

Call for banning, sounds like the strategy of the left.


49 posted on 04/30/2011 12:20:21 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: ken21

Steyn should post on his site or write an article about all the parts of the Constitution which we shouldn’t follow, maybe there are other useless parts.


50 posted on 04/30/2011 12:21:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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