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Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? [Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification]
WND ^ | May 08, 2011 | Aaron Klein

Posted on 05/09/2011 8:35:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters

Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.

Obama's American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.

In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.

Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the "child" of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.

Jerome Corsi’s new book, "Where’s the Birth Certificate?", is now available for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, only from the WND Superstore

The divorce records state: "The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education."

The records further identify the "oldest child" as "in university."

"Mother resides with youngest child in 4-bedroom house provided by mother's employer," continues the divorce documents.

The documents identify the minor as Obama's stepsister, Maya Soetoro.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; eligibility; giveitarest; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: danamco
Still Grama and her relatives said he was born there (Kenya)

No they did not.

and I sent you a check-mate post from a plethora of other Kenyans saying the exact same thing!!!

Unofficial statements by Kenyans with no knowledge of the circumstances of his birth do not trump the official statements of Hawaii officials who do have such knowledge.

451 posted on 05/11/2011 12:59:07 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: allmendream
My first comment on this thread was about the supposed Pakistan Travel Ban - i.e. there wasn't one.

Keep digging. Your first post on this thread:

Nobody wants to hear your “facts” about there not being a Pakistan travel ban! You 0-bot!

Then you wouldn't shut up about your passport billboard fantasies, until someone briefly mentioned his SSN, which somehow obsessed you into crying for "I want to his Social Security card" billboards. You quite obviously have some serious mental problems and I hope that you can find some help before it's too late.
452 posted on 05/11/2011 1:07:36 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: curiosity

Keep on writing your nonsense with nothing to back it up.


453 posted on 05/11/2011 1:13:27 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: allmendream

Obama has *not* presented any Birth certificate in the form of a physical paper legal document with the embossed [raised] seal of Hawaii DOH to the WH journalists.

Only scans, photocopies and digital photographs. None of these would be acceptable in a court of law because they are obviously not secure against forgery.

Its all up the the various states Secretary of States to require legal proof of Constitutional elligiblity for POTUS candidates.

Why don’t you try your photocopies, digital pictures and scans with the new Republican SOS’s elected or appointed by new Governors in 2010?

All it takes is one of them to authenticate that 151 file number and the game is up.


454 posted on 05/11/2011 1:14:16 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: Brown Deer
Why is this so important to you? Since you seem to be so positively sure of his marriage to Stanley Ann Dunham, please show us proof of his marriage. You obviously have no such proof, otherwise you would have shared it with us. So, why do you continue with your fantasies, from his book of "Dreams"?

The proof is in their divorce. A couple can't get divorced unless they were married in the first place. Duh. Whether Obama Sr. was or wasn't served is immaterial.

455 posted on 05/11/2011 1:18:13 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: David; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer
There is an inside story out there that the Joint Chief's required Biden to sign the orders on the grounds that he is Acting President under the 20th Amendment.

Just catching up and this is a "WOW!" statement.

456 posted on 05/11/2011 1:22:16 PM PDT by azishot (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: curiosity

The proof is in their divorce. A couple can’t get divorced unless they were married in the first place. Duh. Whether Obama Sr. was or wasn’t served is immaterial.


Was Sr. served with a marriage license as well?


457 posted on 05/11/2011 1:22:56 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: curiosity

Ah yes the divorce papers. With the missing page.

What? the Dog ate it? Wasn’t he full on SAD’s passport application...


458 posted on 05/11/2011 1:23:27 PM PDT by Exmil_UK
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To: David
“Assuming Obama is not Natural Born, impeachment is not the remedy because not being President, he cannot be the target of an impeachment.”

This was the key point in dispute at the May 2 Drake hearing, IMO.

Judge Berzon agrees with you, as I suspect does most of the federal bench, but DeJute, on orders from Obama and Holder, disagrees with you and, as teased out by Judge Fisher in the final minutes, argues that elligibility of a president-elect cannot be determined by the courts, but goes to the electors and congress and as soon as POTUS is inaugurated, both eligibility and the very constitutional definition of NBC language in A2 is the sole responsibility of the Senate, and not the federal courts including SCOTUS!

This cringing by the federal bench over the DOJ stripping them of ability to rule on the meaning of constitutional language is why the 9th agreed to hear this case.

Hmmm...I might have to post a vanity on this...:

DeJute even

DEJUTE: It’s a distinction worth noting because the commitment to the House is that that body has the sole authority under the Constitution…

BERZON: …to impeach.

DEJUTE: To impeach. And the Senate has the sole authority…

37:00 BERZON: But this wouldn’t be grounds for impeachment, would it?

DEJUTE: Wouldn’t it be a high crime and misdemeanor? I don’t know…we’re in the area of there has clearly been no case law. But I do know that if the Constitution says that the only body that can remove a sitting president is the Congress in both houses, then the…

37:22 BERZON: Where does it say that?

459 posted on 05/11/2011 1:24:15 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: curiosity
A couple can't get divorced unless they were married in the first place.

Obviously not. So you admit that they couldn't have been divorced if they were never married. Come back when you find proof of a marriage, 0bot.
460 posted on 05/11/2011 1:24:43 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: azishot

There is an inside story out there that the Joint Chief’s required Biden to sign the orders on the grounds that he is Acting President under the 20th Amendment.

Just catching up and this is a “WOW!” statement.


Lakin to be exonerated??? How can any military personnel in the know on this stay silent?


461 posted on 05/11/2011 1:25:27 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: allmendream

Jim Noble said: There has never been a time - not one single day - between 1947 and 2011 - that a US passport was not valid for travel to Pakistan. Travel by US citizens to Pakistan has never been restricted - not for one single day - by the Government of Pakistan OR by the United States.

Cut it out.
329 posted on 2011-05-11 09:19 by Jim Noble

You allmendream to the above comment:

2011-05-11 10:21 · 334 of 461
allmendream to Jim Noble
How DARE you!!!!

Nobody wants to hear your “facts” about there not being a Pakistan travel ban!

You 0-bot!

What kind of sinister motivation you must have, or they must be paying you to spread such loathsome TRUTH to those who would rather believe lies!

That prompted me to stick my nose in to show you that there was no ban. But you failed, but alluded to later, that that was sarc. Not everyone caught that and you have been combative throughout. Kinda made your own bed here....


462 posted on 05/11/2011 1:33:48 PM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Good question. They’ll talk behind the scenes but not out in front?


463 posted on 05/11/2011 1:36:53 PM PDT by azishot (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: Exmil_UK
I have (you can check if so inclined) LONG supported legislative efforts to have the candidates State of birth send the form they say is proof of birth within that State directly to the Secretary of State before they can be put on the ballot for that State.

I am surprised that such has not been done before. That previously we were under the “honor code” for such things. I think that was and IS a terrible state of affairs!

What I opposed was the demand for a LONG FORM COLB - as such would run afoul of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution - and I couldn't see how “swinging for the fences” trying to get at the Long Form was superior to a clearly Constitutional request for the “official” document to be sent from the DOH of one State to the SOS of another State.

So..... what would be wrong with having a law asking for the “official” (Hawaii says their official COLB is the short form) COLB being sent directly from the DOH of the State of birth to the SOS of the State they want on the ballot for?

Would this not be a reasonable law? Why do you suppose I got so much flak from birthers for daring to suggest it?

464 posted on 05/11/2011 1:38:21 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: danamco

“Sven we still need to know how and when he was issued a Social Security Number that previous had been issued to another person in CT???”

In my opinion, the 042 SSN used by Obama has been the only SSN he has used and has never been used by anyone else.

I am aware of private investigators and their research on the 042 number. In my opinion, its a misdirection to keep people from finding the truth.

The truth is that Obama’s SSN was applied for on his behalf by a refugee sponsor located in CT.


465 posted on 05/11/2011 1:39:08 PM PDT by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: GregNH
Sorry - I thought the sarcasm was obvious. Thus the transposition of “truth” and “lies” regarding “Nobody wants to hear your TRUTH”.

The birthers seemed to catch what I was getting at.

I was a bit confused because of you thinking you needed to show ME that there was no ban.

Why else do you think I would refer to the fact that there was no ban as a “TRUTH” that they didn't want to hear.

Sorry for the “friendly fire”. I have found this thread quite enlightening and VERY amusing. Sorry if you found it less so.

466 posted on 05/11/2011 1:42:54 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: azishot

Why would you think this statement is true?


467 posted on 05/11/2011 1:45:13 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: David; Bikkuri; GregNH; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; wintertime; Fred Nerks; null and void; ...
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The release this morning of the claim letter from the 0sama Bin Laden heirs may well operate to bring the issue back to the table.

International Law requires that to avoid prosecution and Criminal Liability, the Seals who carried out the mission were required to have been acting on lawful orders and were further obligated, as were their superior officers, to challenge orders which were not lawful.

Lawful orders among other things require issue by the Commander in Chief.

So if these guys were relying on orders from 0bama and he is not a NBC, the orders were not lawful and they have a criminal murder problem (maybe).

There is an inside story out there that the Joint Chief's required Biden to sign the orders on the grounds that he is Acting President under the 20th Amendment.

. . . . Excerpted. - Read more at # 449.

Thanks, David.

468 posted on 05/11/2011 1:49:22 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Brown Deer
Keep on writing your nonsense with nothing to back it up.

LOL. You're the one making claims and not backing them up. I'm simply pointing out that there is no basis for the things you say.

469 posted on 05/11/2011 1:54:17 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Brown Deer
So you admit that they couldn't have been divorced if they were never married.

Yes! That's my point!

Come back when you find proof of a marriage.

If they couldn't have been divorced without being married, then the fact that they were divorced proves they were married. Duh.

470 posted on 05/11/2011 1:56:22 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: allmendream

No offense taken once I realized what was going on. Apology gracefully accepted.


471 posted on 05/11/2011 2:04:14 PM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: curiosity
You're the one making claims and not backing them up.

Keep lying, 0bot troll.

You have nothing.
472 posted on 05/11/2011 2:04:21 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: El Sordo

Why would you think this statement is false?


473 posted on 05/11/2011 2:12:14 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: allmendream
“No, the fraudulent LFBC didn’t answer any of those legitimate questions.”

Neither would a genuine LFBC answer any of those questions.

The focus the ‘brilliant’ leaders of the movement was “Where is the Birth Certificate?”.

Are you willing to admit that this was a mistake?

Or would such an admission taste too much of crow?"

What are you talking about? The natural born Citizen issue has been my #1 focus all along.

However, without a genuine LFBC and legitimate marriage records of his parents, we can't say for sure who his legal father (or mother) was.

474 posted on 05/11/2011 2:24:34 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Admin Moderator

I have a question for whomever is moderating this thread: Would the repeated use of ‘taste too much of crow’ constitute agitprop work seeking to elicit a nasty response? Or does it matter anymore?


475 posted on 05/11/2011 2:38:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: LucyT; David

They all want to devise their covers for when axes fall.

We all know a lot. Imagine what they know.


476 posted on 05/11/2011 2:46:22 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Keep the 'ICk" in Democratic)
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To: curiosity

So, being a witness is irrelevant?


477 posted on 05/11/2011 2:54:01 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: SvenMagnussen

Please tell us how an individual you think was born an American Citizen, gave up his citizenship then became a refugee to the US could accomplish this.what possible reason could he use to be a refugee?


478 posted on 05/11/2011 3:04:19 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: edge919

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2717548/posts?page=280#280

Read the MEMO


479 posted on 05/11/2011 3:13:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: HollyB
So, being a witness is irrelevant?

There is not a single whitness who claims Obama was born in Kenya.

480 posted on 05/11/2011 3:17:11 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: HollyB
So, being a witness is irrelevant?

There is not a single whitness who claims Obama was born in Kenya.

481 posted on 05/11/2011 3:17:11 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

What’s a whitness?

I think that may be racist.


482 posted on 05/11/2011 3:24:26 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: little jeremiah; Brown Deer

You don’t have to prove anything really, it’s the QUESTIONS that are far more important than the answers...

STUDY THIS:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=295749

Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship
Said it lacked documents to determine birth country

The U.S. government is on record questioning President Obama’s citizenship status as early as when he was 5 years old, stating it lacked documentation to determine his citizenship, WND has learned.

~SNIP

‘Nothing on file’ to document Obama’s citizenship

Before that, immigration authorities exchanged queries about Obama, with one noting questions about Obama’s citizenship.

One critical exchange is dated August 21, 1967, from Sam Benson, an officer at the Southwest Immigration and Naturalization Service office in San Pedro, Calif.

Benson’s query stated, “There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status and determine whether or not he is the applicant’s child within the meaning of Section 101(b)(1)(B) of the Act, who may suffer exceptional hardship within the meaning of Section 212(a).”

The reference is to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, which defined a “child” as an unmarried person under 21 years of age who, among other qualifiers, could be a “stepchild,” whether or not born out of wedlock, provided the child had not reached the “age of eighteen years at the time the marriage creating the status of stepchild occurred.”

A response to Benson’s inquiry came from one “W.L. Mix” of the central immigration office, who determined Obama was a U.S. citizen.

Mix replied: “Pursuant to inquiry from central office regarding the status of the applicants’ spouse’s child by a former marriage.”

“The person in question is a United States citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, Aug. 4, 1961. He is living with the applicants’ spouse in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is considered the applicant’s step-child, within the meaning of Sec. 101(b)(1)(B), of the act, by virtue of the marriage of the applicant to the child’s mother on March 5, 1965.”

The files do not state how the office determined Obama was born in Honolulu.

NOW SEE DOCUMENTS IN NEXT COMMENT


483 posted on 05/11/2011 3:26:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Memo from passport data for Stanley Ann Dunham:

Memo from passport data for Barack Hussein Obama, foreign student:

Divorce document, granting custody:

AND THAT IS ALL THERE IS!

484 posted on 05/11/2011 3:36:06 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: curiosity

I’m not sure what to believe, but I am certainly open to about any possibility. There’s been too much mystery surrounding this subject to feel confident one way or another.

But, I do find it interesting that in 2004, an article was published stating Obama was a Kenyan while running for Senate.

http://classic-web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm


485 posted on 05/11/2011 3:36:50 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: LucyT

Lucyt, let’s not forget the story about the order did not come from CiC aka Obama.


486 posted on 05/11/2011 3:42:33 PM PDT by stockpirate (If republicans vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists..Ich bin ein Paliner)
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To: HollyB
There’s been too much mystery surrounding this subject to feel confident one way or another.

Where's the mystery? The only people who are in a position to know, namely, officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, say he was born in Hawaii. End of story.

That some second-rate newspaper reporter got his facts wrong in a story doesn't mean anything. Reporters make mistakes all the time.

487 posted on 05/11/2011 3:47:21 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: HollyB

Wow! How did you find that? I thought everything had been scrubbed. Funny how, back then when people made references to him being born in Kenya, he never disputed it.


488 posted on 05/11/2011 3:49:15 PM PDT by MagnoliaB
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To: curiosity

We all have our opinions. It’s an end of story for you. But, not for me and I’m interested in reading more. If you don’t believe there is any mystery, why do you waste your time reading these stories?

Even those who are not truthers think Obamas reaction to this subject is suspicious. Many can’t udderstand why O has not released his school records, prior passport info, and why has he spent so much money in attorneys to fight off those who want basic information. Please, I’m not a ‘truther’, but I do want the truth. And this subject has not been resolved at all. In my eyes, there is the same mystery as there has always been. Yes, a mystery. Glad you are so confident, Glad you feel there is no mystery. But that is you, and you don’t speak for me or most of us on this thread.


489 posted on 05/11/2011 3:55:26 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Fred Nerks

AND THAT IS ALL THERE IS!


Abercrombie was right...it was written down in the state archives!


490 posted on 05/11/2011 3:57:00 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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Bombshell: U.S. government questioned 0bama citizenship Said it lacked documents to determine birth country

The U.S. government is on record questioning p_resident 0bama’s citizenship status as early as when he was 5 years old, stating it lacked documentation to determine his citizenship, WND has learned.

491 posted on 05/11/2011 3:57:04 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: curiosity

That some second-rate newspaper reporter got his facts wrong in a story doesn’t mean anything. Reporters make mistakes all the time.


And those HDOH officials are first rate all the way...LMAO.


492 posted on 05/11/2011 3:59:00 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: MagnoliaB

Wow! How did you find that? I thought everything had been scrubbed. Funny how, back then when people made references to him being born in Kenya, he never disputed it.

.....................................

Back when he was a US senator it was kool to be a Kenyan.


493 posted on 05/11/2011 4:00:31 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: HollyB

P.S. truther should have been birther.


494 posted on 05/11/2011 4:04:12 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: butterdezillion

Take look at this memo its like I said they refered to SAD as a U.S.C (United States Citizen) that was common immigration parlance..also the memo is signed unlike the one the one by Mix. Memos are supposed to be signed at the end of the body of the memo per the INS administrative manual.(does not let someone add language-we need a copy of the manual/policy)
Notice when further info was added it was initialed...
These two memos supposedly came out of the same INS office in Hawaii...


495 posted on 05/11/2011 4:06:58 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: MagnoliaB

A Freeper posted it a few weeks ago. Wish I knew the Freepers name. He did good by saving it because I can’t imagine finding it under a standard web search.


496 posted on 05/11/2011 4:08:04 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Fred Nerks

I think the inquiry came from Central Office and Hawaii Disrict responded via Mix...Hawaii would be able to talk to the persons involved, it would be interesting to see where Mix was working on that date...


497 posted on 05/11/2011 4:09:57 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: LucyT

Here is a similar thread.

Bombshell: U.S. government questioned Obama citizenship

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2717474/posts


498 posted on 05/11/2011 4:11:23 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Fred Nerks

Looking closer at that it looks more like Mix’s memo is a fake, If Benson made the inquiry form Soutwest Regional Office in San Pedro, CA why did Mix reference an inquiry from Central Office (Washington D.C.) interesting..details details..


499 posted on 05/11/2011 4:13:01 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone; Brown Deer

I can’t answer that, all I can do is SHOW you how it appears to have been ‘established’ - it’s what I think of as a Round-Robin...based on one unsubstantiated item, going full circle, proving absolutely nothing...clinched by an unidentified child placed into the custody of a woman to whom relationship has not been proven...


500 posted on 05/11/2011 4:23:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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