Skip to comments.Torture doesn’t work…ok, so where’s the disagreement?
Posted on 05/12/2011 1:00:19 PM PDT by Starman417
"The history of the United States military is clear: Torture doesn't work"- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
We dont torture. Thats not what were involved in.- Vice President Dick Cheney
This country doesnt torture, were not going to torture."-President Bush
Agents searching Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's compound discovered what one official later called a "mother lode" of valuable intelligence. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was obviously planning more attacks. It didn't sound like he was willing to give us any information about them. "I'll talk to you," he said, "after I get to New York and see my lawyer."
George Tenet asked if he had permission to use enhanced interrogation techniques, including waterboarding, on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. I thought about my meeting with Danny Pearl's widow, who was pregnant with his son when he was murdered. I thought about the 2,973 people stolen from their families by al Qaeda on 9/11. And I thought about my duty to protect the country from another act of terror.
"Damn right," I said.
- Decision Points, pg 170, by George W. Bush
When asked about future plots, KSM's reply was, "Soon you will know." Like Abu Zubaydah before him, KSM was trained to resist standard interrogation techniques. After being waterboarded by his CIA interrogators, Zubaydah thanked them and told them, "You must do this for all the brothers."
...There seems to be a misunderstanding about the nature of the CIA program under the Bush Administration that involved enhanced interrogation. So much so, that even experts in the field of interrogation have been misled into false assumptions about what the CIA interrogation program was all about. One such expert is Matthew Alexander (a pseudonym) whose book, Kill or Capture: How a Special Operations Task Force Took Down a Notorious al Qaeda Terrorist, I recently purchased.
Fortunately, early in 2010, an important book came out to try and set the record straight by defending those CIA interrogators who, up until then, could not openly speak out to defend themselves from all the slander, distortions, and assumptions about their work. The public should not have had knowledge of the details, let alone our enemies. But thanks to the leaks, media hysteria, hype, and distortions, partisan politics over patriotism, and finally the release of the OLC memos by the Obama administration, Marc Thiessen was able to shoot back with his book. As he puts it in his Author's Note and has stated in interviews, "You should not be reading this book. I should not have been able to write it."
The public discourse over the CIA program has in itself killed it. Its effectiveness was in the "not-knowing"; in the uncertainty. Waterboarding had already been discontinued (I think in 2003) long before President Obama's first executive order, redundantly "banning" what was already banned. Revelations about its existence and details already effectively killed its value to CIA interrogators. Now, like those in our military who undergo waterboarding in SERE training, al Qaeda operatives can now add it to their list in interrogation resistance training. According to Thiessen, KSM, who is said to have received upward of 183 splashes during his waterboarding sessions, figured out just how long his interrogators could waterboard him for and would count down the seconds on one hand. Matthew Alexander and critics argue that this is proof of how ineffective waterboarding is. I'd say it bolsters the argument that the CIA method of waterboarding hardly constitutes the kind of waterboarding that does cross the line from the simulated feeling of drowning to one of actual drowning and torture.
The effectiveness of the CIA techniques was in the pretense of torture; of making the terrorist believe that things were worse than they actually were. As Marc Thiessen describes it:
The effect of the techniques is psychological, not physical. They trick the terrorists into thinking what they are enduring is worse than it really is.
Its like the show Magics Biggest Secrets Revealed once you know how the magician saws the woman in half, youre not fooled. The same goes for enhanced interrogation.
In wake of the "waterboarding" of Osama bin Laden's carcass at the beginning of this month, new partisan questions have arisen regarding which administration should be credited the most with "having brought him to justice" (and his 72 urchins).
This has reignited the debate between defenders of the Bush-era CIA practice of enhanced interrogation and those attackers who choose to label it "torture" and "ineffective", plain and simple.
(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...
If they’ve got something to give up, torture works every time it’s tried.
We disagree upon why this posting was excerpted.
It works if done right.
You are SOOOOOO right. This “torture don’t work” crap is HILARIOUS!!!! You even TALK about going to work on my privates with a rubber mallot, and I’m giving up EVERYTHING. RIGHT NOW!
Torture may not work, but enhanced interrogation methods sure do!
Torture would not have been used so frequnetly throughout history if it wasn't effective.
Who ever goes around claiming "torture doesn't work" is kidding himself.
Let’s not fall into the semantics trap lain for us by the left. By definition torture must be “severe”. If, after being water-boarded, the subject has no evidence of its’ occurrence then how severe could it have been?
"Damn right," I said. ... President George W. Bush
Thank you President Bush.
I’m REALLY tired of the “torture” crap.
Yes, torture doesnt work for extracting a confession. Any confession obtained under torture should be suspect, as should confessions obtained after hours of interrogation.
Battlefield intelligence is a different case. With just one known fact the application of fear or pain can be a great incentive to obtain more information.
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