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Potential Problems for Conservatives in the Republican Presidential Primary
Russ Paielli ^ | 7/3/2011 | Russ Paielli

Posted on 07/04/2011 3:09:59 PM PDT by RussP

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To: RockinRight

Perry scares me a bit. He could easily park between moderates and conservatives and pull votes from both - enough to command a lead.


41 posted on 07/04/2011 4:48:40 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: RussP; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; Just A Nobody; fieldmarshaldj; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; Impy; ...
First, open primaries should end, and second, voters should be prohibited from changing their party affiliation within several months preceding a primary election. Unfortunately, these ideas are very unlikely to gain traction until one party is burned and burned badly.

Third, "winner take all" primaries, where all the delegates to the national convention go to the candidate with the largest vote, regardless of how low a percentage of the total vote that may be, should be banned! On the Republican side, this is a big help to RINOs, who are much more likely to finish first in a muti-candidate race and thereby take all the delegates. One party has burned badly by these primary rules already: the GOP in '08, when McCain was the nominee!

42 posted on 07/04/2011 5:28:26 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: RussP

No true “Conservative” could vote for Mittens. He is a lying lefty Rhino with the same agenda as every other Progressive in the country.


43 posted on 07/04/2011 5:39:24 PM PDT by Big_Harry (Ecc10:2 "A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left")
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To: RussP

I am VERY worried about the vote splitting. I think there is a high probability that we are going to nominate someone we really don’t want because we are splitting our votes.


44 posted on 07/04/2011 5:40:51 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: justiceseeker93

That makes sense to me

By the way, I noticed that you changed my quote from “bitten” to “burned.” Actually, I like that better!


45 posted on 07/04/2011 5:45:37 PM PDT by RussP
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To: justiceseeker93

sry, I’m from Texas, Perry has had 12 yrs to pass an anti-illegal issue & hasn’t, plus his forcefulness with the TTC makes me say, “no, like McCain, I’ll abstain.”
I feel if the bloated field leads to Romney because of name recognition, I’ll abstain again.
WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER MCCAIN.


46 posted on 07/04/2011 5:46:24 PM PDT by She hits a grand slam tonight
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To: RussP

Perry/Bachmann could be a strong ticket. Perry’s not perfect, but Texas seems to be doing better than all the other states.


47 posted on 07/04/2011 5:52:50 PM PDT by SteelToe
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To: RussP

There is no problem of tea party conservatives splitting votes. Not one to even worry about at all at this time.

It will play out fine. The tea party doesn’t need to be united going into Iowa and New Hampshire. Just look at the results after. It’s possible that all the tea party candidates will be exactly tied every time, but unlikely. These things just have a way of working themselves out.
It also appears that this year, the process isn’t front loaded, which makes it even easier for time to sort everything out.


48 posted on 07/04/2011 5:53:44 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: RIghtwardHo

“I am VERY worried about the vote splitting. I think there is a high probability that we are going to nominate someone we really don’t want because we are splitting our votes.”


Yes, I agree. Vote-splitting becomes an issue as soon as you have three candidates getting a significant portion of the votes. The larger the number of credible candidates, the more likely it becomes that the winner will not best represent the majority. That’s just a basic mathematical problem with our “plurality” voting system.

The other day I was listening to Mark Davis sitting in for Rush Limbaugh. He said something to the effect that the more candidates we have to choose from, the better. He’s a smart guy, but he obviously hasn’t thought this one through.

As I mentioned in the article, we really need to give some serious thought to Approval Voting.

Or maybe the “Tea Party” needs to have it’s own pre-primary primary. Could something like that perhaps be set up on FR?


49 posted on 07/04/2011 5:56:14 PM PDT by RussP
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To: Wolfstar

If the economy is bad, the incumbent loses.

When the party in power has only been in power 1 term, the economy can be a little worse than 2, or 3 terms.

So that’s an advantage for Obama. But the economy is really really bad, and it doesn’t look like the economy is going to be anywhere near good enough to save Obamas job.


50 posted on 07/04/2011 5:57:23 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: RussP
By the way, vote-splitting isn't the only potential problem for conservatives in the Republican Primary election. With no primary challenge to Obama, Democrats are essentially free to register as Republicans and vote in the Republican primary. In states with "open" primaries, they don't even need to register as Republicans. If that were done on a large scale, it could be a huge problem for Republicans, particularly "Tea Party" Republicans.

*cough* New Hampshire *cough*

51 posted on 07/04/2011 5:59:55 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight

We need a Paul Ryan, that tells it like it is & follows through.


52 posted on 07/04/2011 6:00:31 PM PDT by She hits a grand slam tonight
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To: truthfreedom

I hope you’re right, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Let’s just hope those early states make good choices, or we could be in trouble.


53 posted on 07/04/2011 6:00:45 PM PDT by RussP
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To: She hits a grand slam tonight

We need a Paul Ryan, that tells it like it is & follows through.


54 posted on 07/04/2011 6:00:48 PM PDT by She hits a grand slam tonight
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To: RussP

I am MORE concerned that so few conservatives seem to be aware of these potential electoral problems in Senate and House races.
We can survive a RINO win in the presidential nomination, bad though it would be.

But RINO wins in the House and Senate would be a pure disaster- and we all know the Rinos (and Dems) are furious at those ‘10 conservatives!
They’ll do whatever it takes to remove them and/or to block new ones.


55 posted on 07/04/2011 6:03:17 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: who knows what evil?

By the way, vote-splitting isn’t the only potential problem for conservatives in the Republican Primary election. With no primary challenge to Obama, Democrats are essentially free to register as Republicans and vote in the Republican primary. In states with “open” primaries, they don’t even need to register as Republicans

you are absolutely right, that is why I switched in texas to vote for Hillary barf barf


56 posted on 07/04/2011 6:05:30 PM PDT by She hits a grand slam tonight
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To: rob777

Gingrich has higher name recognition than Romney.

He seems to be making a calculated decision to not really seem like he’s trying hard at all to win. And that is causing his numbers to fall. Gingrich is fortunate that no votes are being cast now. Gingrich might just be saying to himself “I can’t get the front runner spot. Too expensive. I will just slide down the polls when the polls don’t matter. I’ll let the front runners run negative ads against each other. I’ll just sit there and watch them destroy each other, while they don’t mention me at all. I’m still more famous than all of them, and I’m the only one that has done something good and famous for Republicans. I might not be too many peoples first choice again, but after everybody knows everything about everybody else, people will be asking what exactly makes me, the architect of the Contract with America, so much worse than Romney, or Huntsman, or Perry or any of the other establishment candidates. When South Carolina comes around, which I’ve been saving my money for, and you see me beat Romney there, you might start hearing “comeback kid”.

Running for President on the Republican side really doesn’t make you famous enough to win that first year.


57 posted on 07/04/2011 6:16:25 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: MrEdd

Yup, that was in 1988. Perry was also a state legislator, as a Democrat then. Sometime between 1988 and 1990, Karl Rove got Perry to switch from Democrat to Republican, and Karl Rove was Rick Perrys campaign manager for the Agriculture office.


58 posted on 07/04/2011 6:18:59 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: RussP

The tea party will rally around one candidate when they need to. It doesn’t have to be before New Hampshire.

Here’s what seems to be happening. Someone is pushing Perry.
The elites, the Bilderbergs, Globalist NWO types.

I think that they think they’ve got a better chance to bully people before the primaries start than after. Let’s just see who the voters want before we decide anything.


59 posted on 07/04/2011 6:24:00 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Ingtar
-"Several conservatives?"

Excellent observation!

The field right now resembles a fashion show of retreads, fakes, and some cheap imitations. The authentic 'real brand' has yet to enter the runway. When she does, everyone WILL NOTICE!

60 posted on 07/04/2011 6:40:44 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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