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Anthony Jury Reached Correct Verdict
Town Hall ^ | 7/07/11 | reasonmclucus

Posted on 07/07/2011 1:45:03 PM PDT by kathsua

The Casey Anthony jury reached the correct verdict. The question put to the jury wasn't did Casey Anthony kill her daughter Caylee Anthony, but did she deliberately carry out a plan to murder Caylee by suffocating her with duct tape.

The jury didn't buy the prosecutor's claim of premeditated murder and its easy to understand why they might have rejected it. When I first heard of what the prosecution was attempting to do I thought they had a difficult, if not impossible, task before them.

I could believe that Casey got frustrated because she couldn't get her daughter to shut up and covered Caylee's mouth with duct tape to keep her quiet rather than to kill her. Casey might have positioned the tape carelessly or the child might have had a stopped nose with the end result that Caylee was unable to breathe and died. I have difficulty accepting the claim that Casey is mentally capable of planning to kill her daughter by using duct tape to suffocate her.

Casey was unable to accept responsibility for her action and tried to cover it up. Perhaps she had difficulty admitting to herself what she had done.

American prosecutors suffer from a "disease" which causes them to try to present every wrongful death as premeditated murder. Perhaps prosecutors feel they get better publicity if they convict an evil killer then if they convict someone for doing something stupid.

I don't know if Casey Anthony caused her daughter's death or not, but it would be unfortunate if she will go unpunished for the death because prosecutors made the mistake of trying to turn a tragedy into something sinister.


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To: vicar7
Someone in the Anthony household doesn't mean Casey, does it?

Someone isn't enough to convict a specific person. They needed to prove it was her, and they couldn't or didn't.

As the forensic folks said heat and water are the biggest enemies of forensic evidence. So 6 months in hot Florida weather plus a swamp caused the Hurricane Faye that worked well to hide valuable evidence that would have led to an easier case to prove.

Yep. You're right. But strangely, the police refused to search, even though the lineman called three times on August 11th, 12th, and 13th. He gave his name. He offered to meet the police at the site, which was near the family home.

After three calls, the police came once, looked around for a few minutes, and then yelled at him for wasting their time.

In the exact spot the child's body was found in four months later.

Casey Anthony Trial: Roy Kronk testifies about Caylee Anthony's remains

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/198927/19/Roy-Kronk-testifies-about-finding-Caylee-Anthonys-remains

Kronk said he called the Orange County Sheriff's Office when he got home to report possibly seeing a skull in the wooded area off Suburban Drive. He said he was told to call Crimeline, which he did, and he said he told Crimeline he saw an object that looked like it could have been a skull.

Kronk said the next day he returned to work as normal, but on Aug. 13, he called the Sheriff's Office again and was told an officer would meet him on Suburban Drive.

Kronk said two deputies arrived and he pointed to the area where he thought he saw an odd item. He emphasized that he did not say for sure the object was a skull. Records show the deputies found nothing at that time.

Kronk testified that the deputy was rude to him and dismissed his call. He said the deputy berated him for wasting his time.

When Kronk called the nonemergency 911 line, he told the dispatcher he saw something white, which appeared to be a skull, near a gray bag in an area near the Anthony family home.

Isn't it funny that the police refused to properly search an area that they knew this child was missing from?

I think she did it, but that the state didn't prove it and that there were enough holes in the evidence to drive a truck through.

The state of Florida let that baby's body lay there for 4 months. They could have had it in August, but they had too much to do.

51 posted on 07/07/2011 4:45:27 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: kathsua

A mother who accidentally lost her child would not be out partying and getting tattooed.

I believe Caylee’s death was intentional.


52 posted on 07/07/2011 4:46:43 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: freespirited

Did you know that entire Anthony family got tatoos? They all got tatoos in commemoration of Caylee.

Casey said her tatoo, “Beautful Life” was a memorial to Caylee. I have to say that does sound resonable.


53 posted on 07/07/2011 5:00:24 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

I find it very difficult to believe *anything* that Casey says.


54 posted on 07/07/2011 5:02:28 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: freespirited

But its proof she killed her child because she got a tatoo?


55 posted on 07/07/2011 5:03:57 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia

Did you also not know how bizarre some people can be in the way they grieve? Some people never accept it at all. A psychiatrist said on Fox yesterday that he has had grieving mothers who believe the dead child is now living in the body of one of their living children.

Haven’t you ever heard of the stages of grief? The first stage is non acceptance.


56 posted on 07/07/2011 5:15:23 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: vicar7
“Someone in the Anthony household did” is lot different than the mother did.

Beware of bearing false witness, Vicar.

57 posted on 07/07/2011 5:19:19 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Yes Casey was very good at bearing false witness or never telling the truth period. I think they convicted her of that btw. I can leave her to God’s judgement since there was no justice for Caylee here.


58 posted on 07/07/2011 8:18:42 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: kathsua

If these jurors place so little value on the brains God gave them, they should all be forced to have lobotomies so next time they’ll have an excuse.


59 posted on 07/07/2011 8:31:56 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: truthkeeper

Too bad the prosecution didn’t try to explain to the jury what a sociopath is. I don’t think they even brought it up, they were being too politically correct. I guess it wouldn’t have been nice to hurt Casey’s feelings.


60 posted on 07/07/2011 9:55:27 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
The writer is a fool.

The writer is yet another member of the Andrea Yates fan club.

I really do not understand why so many people think it is excusable for a mother to murder her child. That point of view is just plain demonic. These people are ignoring the plain facts of the case, even labeling her "a good mother." By what possible standard?

It is the worst betrayal possible in the world. The center of a child's existence is the mother. For that mother to bring about the death of a child takes a real special level of evil. To approve of it is to become complicit in it.

61 posted on 07/07/2011 10:05:10 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: BBell
I believe they could have convicted her on a lesser charge

I guess you are ignorant to the fact that the jury WAS given a choice of a lesser charge of manslaughter, which requires no pre meditation. The author fails to make that point clear. You now stand informed.

62 posted on 07/08/2011 2:59:15 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tirednvirginia
I’ve been there - done that and I respect them totally.

Would you still respect them if they, the jury, had been given the choice of aggravated manslaughter which requires no premeditation?

63 posted on 07/08/2011 3:01:14 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: RobRoy
They were not looking for child abuse.

A lot of Freepers are looking real stupid, you including:

Count One: First Degree Murder
Count Two: Aggravated Child Abuse
Count Three: Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child
Count Four: False Information

64 posted on 07/08/2011 3:04:12 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cherry


65 posted on 07/08/2011 3:06:04 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: starlifter
So who applied the duct tape?

Aliens from the planet Zarnac 7,

66 posted on 07/08/2011 3:09:55 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: starlifter
Was there any evidence SHE applied it? If so, please do tell...

Even if the slut had made a video of her trashing the kid a moron like you would think it was doctored. Such stupidity on Free Republic......

67 posted on 07/08/2011 3:12:52 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

And people generally believe that?


68 posted on 07/08/2011 3:50:35 AM PDT by reaganator
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To: ilovesarah2012

“From the evidence, it was possible Caylee died accidentally.”

Flawed reasoning. There was NO evidence presented by the defense that she died accidentally, only conjecture. Since when is a “possibility” grounds for reasonable doubt.


69 posted on 07/08/2011 5:05:20 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

“Flawed reasoning. There was NO evidence presented by the defense that she died accidentally, only conjecture. Since when is a “possibility” grounds for reasonable doubt.”

WELL SAID....it is alarming how many people in this nation cannot understand the meaning of “reasonable.”

For the lazy jury in this trial, reasonable was ANY DOUBT at all...and you are so right that conjecture and “possibilty” with NO EVIDENCE to support it is NOT resonable doubt....it is just an excuse by a lazy cowardly jury to not make the tough decsion that they were given to make.


70 posted on 07/08/2011 5:18:07 AM PDT by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: traderrob6

The defense does not have the burden to prove anything. The jury sat through the entire trial, heard the evidence, deliberated, and found reasonable doubt.


71 posted on 07/08/2011 5:45:07 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: reaganator

I couldn’t possibly answer as to what “people generally believe”.


72 posted on 07/08/2011 5:46:59 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
I couldn't’t possibly answer as to what “people generally believe”.

I agree, after what this jury did and the people who are defending the verdict it is obvious that many people do not have rational, reasoning skills.

Right now in Boston we have a leader of organized crime on trial for the murder of 19 people. All of the bodies that were dug up are skeletons. There already is motive and witness testimony. No scientific cause of death can be determined, no exact time no weapon and no place with exception of witness testimony.

I'm afraid of this man going in front of a Casey Anthony type jury.

Just to show you how broke the system is Casey Anthony can birth another child and kill the child in the same way and get away with it again using the same evidence. This is only if she can be in front of the same type of brain dead
people.

73 posted on 07/08/2011 7:33:08 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: central_va

>>A lot of Freepers are looking real stupid, you including:<<

You’re right. Although I would like to call it “ignorant”. Now that you have educated me, It would be “stupid” for me to stay with my position without evidence to support it.

I did not follow counts two and three, but I did hear she was found guilty of count four.

That said, count three is similar to count 1 in that the burden of proof was on the prosecutor to prove she is the one that killed her daughter. Count 2 would only apply to anything she did before the child died. You can’t be convicted of child abuse because of what you did to a dead body. Locking a live child in the trunk would be abuse. Locking a dead body in the trunk would not.

As you can see, I’m applying pure black and white thinking to this as much as possible.

Count two has me puzzled though. I’ve only been following this case for the last week or so, so my information is all “post verdict” with the exception of a brief entrance into a thread a couple of weeks ago, when I first heard about this case.


74 posted on 07/08/2011 7:44:24 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy

For those of us who have followed the case from the beginning this is a nauseating experience. I cannot tell you how much of an abortion of justice this has been. It is even worse than the OJ trial in may ways.


75 posted on 07/08/2011 1:15:49 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

You watched the trial through the eyes of the media.

Why do you think its okay to judge her from what is said on TV shows?

Or maybe you sat around all day everyday and watched every minute of the trial?


76 posted on 07/08/2011 4:52:15 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: traderrob6

Wow! You just showed your total ignorance.

The burden of proof is ONLY on the state. Didn’t you know that?

The defendent is innocent until proven guilty by the state.
The defendent doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone.

I think you flunked American Justice system 101.


77 posted on 07/08/2011 4:59:35 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: kathsua
"The Casey Anthony jury reached the correct verdict. The question put to the jury wasn't did Casey Anthony kill her daughter Caylee Anthony, but did she deliberately carry out a plan to murder Caylee by suffocating her with duct tape."

Wrong. The article starts right off with a false premise. The question really was did she kill her daughter?

Premeditation was required in only one of three possible charges. No specific theory involving duct tape, or anything else, had to be accepted. Only that she was the person that caused the death.

78 posted on 07/08/2011 4:59:50 PM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

and she could have caused that death through neglect that allowed an accidental drowning to happen. still guilty. she had a chance to put up a defense, she didn’t. she had a lawyer that was good and smoke and mirrors.


79 posted on 07/08/2011 5:02:43 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tirednvirginia

My wife tivo’d it for me so I saw about 75% of the trial. The only question I thought the jury had to consider was whether to find her guilty of manslaughter or murder. It was a no brainer she caused the death it was only a question of degree. The jury verdict was the biggest miscarriage of justice since OJ. It is an outrage. If you have questions let me know I pretty much am up on it,


80 posted on 07/08/2011 5:21:59 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tioga

Once again, the defense was under no burden to prove anything.


81 posted on 07/08/2011 5:24:46 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: central_va

WEll, the jury watched 100 % of it and you didn’t.


82 posted on 07/08/2011 5:27:03 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: tirednvirginia
"Once again, the defense was under no burden to prove anything."

Who said they were?

83 posted on 07/08/2011 5:30:38 PM PDT by mlo
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To: ilovesarah2012
"From the evidence, it was possible Caylee died accidentally. It is possible someone other than Casey caused her death."

Wrong question. It's possible aliens abducted her and she died on the UFO and they dumped her in the swampt. Absurd, but possible. Is it *reasonable*?

The is no reasonable answer except that Casey did it. Hence, there is no *reasonable* doubt that she was guilty.

84 posted on 07/08/2011 5:34:52 PM PDT by mlo
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To: central_va
Was there any evidence SHE applied it? If so, please do tell...

Even if the slut had made a video of her trashing the kid a moron like you would think it was doctored. Such stupidity on Free Republic......

Nice presentation of the evidence that SHE applied it ya got there. Real persuasive.

85 posted on 07/08/2011 5:44:51 PM PDT by Bob
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To: mlo

Tioga said they did not put up a defense and I reminded him/her that they had no burden to do that.


86 posted on 07/08/2011 5:52:23 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: mlo; Moby Grape
"Once again, the defense was under no burden to prove anything."

Who said they were?

Moby Grape did in an earlier post.

“Flawed reasoning. There was NO evidence presented by the defense that she died accidentally, only conjecture. Since when is a “possibility” grounds for reasonable doubt.”
Evidence needs to be provided to prove something; conjecture as to possibilities can be raised and needs no evidence to prove it. The defense doesn't have to prove something happened for the jury to consider it possible.
87 posted on 07/08/2011 5:53:35 PM PDT by Bob
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To: central_va

did the argument in the backyard before Casey took off...the one where Cindy choked her, make it into evidence in the trial?


88 posted on 07/08/2011 5:58:15 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Bob

Bob, you are correct. It seems people here think the defense are suppose to “prove” something.

In a trial, each side, (the prosecution and the defense) presents a theory about what happened but only the prosecution has any responsibilty to prove their theory.

If the prosecution fails to prove their theory to the jurors, they will find the defendent not guilty.


89 posted on 07/08/2011 6:04:34 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: kathsua

I heard one of the jurors being interviewed by Greta van S. on FOX and she seemed quite intelligent. She reasoned that the prosecutor gave the jury no supportable evidence that a murder had been committed by the defendant so, much as they would have favored a guilty finding, they had to go with not guilty. My opinion of the whole matter is that there would have been no jury and probably no trial at all if Casey Anthony had been truthful from the beginning and only she knows what happened to her daughter. Therefore, Casey Anthony deserved a guilty verdict. IMO water boarding for liar and coward Casey and all of her lying family would have gotten to the truth early on. Justice was not served by this verdict no matter how members of that jury choose to interpret their decision to free the main culprit in the death of her two year old defensless daughter, Caylee Anthony.


90 posted on 07/08/2011 6:18:08 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God Bless the United States of America)
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To: central_va

And while you watched the 75% of the trial, you also watched and heard another couple of hours of commentary by the media. They hashed and rehashed all the points day after day and received money to come on a show to argue a particular side,

Why do you suppose the jurors were sequestered? One of the reasons is so they couldn’t go home and watch the trial on their DVR. Then they may have had your opinion.


91 posted on 07/08/2011 6:25:33 PM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: mountainfolk

Oh my gosh. You would kill her because she lied? Your version of justice sounds much like vigilante thinking.


92 posted on 07/08/2011 6:30:54 PM PDT by tirednvirginia ( You)
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To: tirednvirginia

How about manslaughter or child endangerment? No death penalty there. Legal does not always equate to Justice. Casey was rewarded for lying and this reasoning by the jury is now legal history for other criminals to invoke when needed. Casey walks because she lied, and lied, and then there were more lies from her and her family. She did not testify and tell her side of the story for fear of a conviction. Her child is dead because one way or another Casey was negligent in protecting Caylee from danger. BTW, I would not know how or what a vigilante thinks, perhaps you could enlighten me?


93 posted on 07/08/2011 9:55:04 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God Bless the United States of America)
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To: tirednvirginia
I listen to commentators all the time. It means nothing.

The CIRCUMSTANCES of this case were so simple to put together that even a child could figure it out. Hannity, Rush, Levin and the rest are so wrong about this one.

THe jury acted like lazy spoiled children, Casey surly got a jury of her peers.

94 posted on 07/09/2011 4:00:21 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mountainfolk

Aggravated manslaughter requires no premeditation. The jury COULDN’T even try to put 2 and 2 together. It is a travesty. I would ask that jury you couldn’t find murder then why not the lessor charges? I know why, to discuss and reason through them would have been HARD.


95 posted on 07/09/2011 4:04:27 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: tirednvirginia

I have a hard and fast rule to never argue with fools but I’ll break it just this once.

I never said or even implied that the the burden of proof was on anyone but the prosecution. What I did say is the mere “possibility” that Caylee died accidentally with no evidence whatsoever to back it up is merely speculation and conjecture and certainly is no basis for reasonable doubt.

There’s a big difference between “reasonable” doubt and all doubt.

You also may want to look up the original post I replied to as it may give you a bit clearer picture of my meaning and keep you from looking any more like a goof.


96 posted on 07/09/2011 5:06:52 AM PDT by traderrob6
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