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McClintock: Obama passed eligibility requirements (throws constitution under bus)
Worldnetdaily ^ | July 16, 2011 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/16/2011 5:14:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor

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To: editor-surveyor

Sorry...

That post should have read: “...produce any civics textbook with that specific definition”


101 posted on 07/16/2011 10:00:40 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Windflier
Your comment regarding possible blackmail makes me remember Sept8,2008 when *someone* began electronically withdrawing tons of money. Seems the whole picture changed. Mc Cain and Hillary both returned to DC and Barry went to Honolulu. Soros has crashed a few economies, was he showing US who would be the next POTUS? Was the game over that day?
102 posted on 07/16/2011 10:20:39 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: ccmay

Well put. Thank you.


103 posted on 07/16/2011 10:32:51 PM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: charlene4
Your comment regarding possible blackmail makes me remember Sept 8, 2008 when *someone* began electronically withdrawing tons of money. Seems the whole picture changed.

That incident is mentioned in the movie, "The Undefeated".

One of the comments that was made, was that, if the government hadn't shut it down, it's estimated that $5 Trillion dollars would have disappeared from the US Treasury by the end of that day. It would have collapsed the US economy, and destroyed the international money markets.

This is the level of evil that the next US president will have to confront, and which Obama is in league with.

104 posted on 07/16/2011 10:34:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: editor-surveyor; circumbendibus
Its his British citizenship that makes him inelligible.

This British thing keeps coming up.

First we declared independence from them in 1776.

Then in 1812, they were back for more. Not finished with us yet. Burned the Presidential Mansion. I've read they tried to press American-born men into British military service.

Then in 1881, we had Chester Arthur, with a British national for a father, assume the Presidency.

Same thing with BO in 2009. British national for a father.

105 posted on 07/16/2011 10:53:10 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for pinging me guys...

I certainly hope this is a case of a “canned” response type letter from a staffer doing routine stuff.

If not, scratch...

Ugh...

=8-(

May have to call his office myself and ask...


106 posted on 07/16/2011 10:53:17 PM PDT by =8 mrrabbit 8=
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To: editor-surveyor

I’ll be flamed as a liberal, but I have too much respect for both Tom McClintock and Mark Steyn to disagree with BOTH of them on this issue. If they say it is settled, then I believe it is settled.

Honestly, I think that Obama was eligible for the presidency and I believe that for 2 reasons.

First, I am convinced that Hitlery Clinton would have used that fact during the campaign, if it was true.

But here is the single biggest reason I can’t believe Obama was ineligible to run for president.

Obama was hand picked by George Soros to do his bidding. Soros had thousands upon thousands of communist leaning politicians from which to choose in order to groom his boy for the presidency. I don’t believe Soros is so stupid that he would pick a guy to run for the Senate and run him and groom him for the presidency, all the while a small technical detail like the lack of being a natural born citizen, was a time bomb waiting to blow up and nullify his entire investment in time and money.

I just can’t believe Soros is that stupid. He had countless thousands of communist politicians from which to choose his guy to groom to do his bidding. Why would he pick one who was technically ineligible to be president.

That defies logic to me. Soros isn’t that stupid. All of you who think Obama is not a natural born citizen have to clue me in on why you think Soros is that stupid that he picked Obama over any of the other thousands of communist politicians that could do the same job for him and was a natural born citizen.

Sorry, it just doesn’t make sense.

I can see where you would believe it being that ALL of Obama’s records are sealed back to birth. So it does make you wonder what they are hiding. What they are hiding may be other embarrassing things or politically unpalatable histories in his background. It could be things other than his being a natural born citizen. There are other reasons he may seal his LFBC besides that reason.

I acknowledge the possibility he is not a NBC but I just don’t think Soros would be so stupid as to hand pick someone who was not NBC. I find that hard to imagine.


107 posted on 07/16/2011 11:54:40 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: editor-surveyor

That’s been decided a long time ago, but a few refuse to accept reality:

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Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

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All four of these cases held essentially the same definition: That two citizen parents are require [sic].

But the squirmers try to find a wiggle word somewhere in the decisions to frasp [sic] at rather than just accepting what the court held four times.”


Please give the exact quote from Minor which supports this alleged holding with a pinpoint cite. (You’ll have to look this term up. I know you couldn’t be a lawyer because any 1L who read the Mino opinion would not make such absurd claims.)

I’ll save you the trouble. It’s not there. Nor is the imaginary “Both parents must be citizens for the child to be a NBC” requirement found in the test of the Constitution. Nor in any SCOTUS decision. Nor in the U.S. Code.


108 posted on 07/17/2011 12:14:56 AM PDT by Lou Budvis ("Socialism...the smiling face of slavery")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

No, you’re not a liberal. You’re rational, unlike birthers. Here is the first paragraph of Minor v. Happersett 88 U.S. 162 (1874), which birthers cite for their absurd arguments:

“The question is presented in this case, whether, since the adoption of the fourteenth amendment, a woman, who is a citizen of the United States and of the State of Missouri, is a voter in that State, notwithstanding the provision of the constitution and laws of the State, which confine the right of suffrage to men alone. We might, perhaps, decide the case upon other grounds, but this question is fairly made. From the opinion we find that it was the only one decided in the court below, and it is the only one which has been argued here. The case was undoubtedly brought to this court for the sole purpose of having that question decided by us, and in view of the evident propriety there is of having it settled, so far as it can be by such a decision, we have concluded to waive all other considerations and proceed at once to its determination.”

Any first semester, first year law student should be able to state that this paragraph means that by the express words of the decision, the ONLY the Court is deciding is whether a State could restrict voting rights to men. It has abosultely nothing to do with who is a NBC under Article II of the Const.


109 posted on 07/17/2011 12:37:36 AM PDT by Lou Budvis ("Socialism...the smiling face of slavery")
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Now let’s move on to the part of the Minor opinion the birthers love to cite.

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [88 U.S. 162, 168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”

Notice the last sentence referring to the question of whether a person can become a citizen by being born here even if the parents are not citizens. The Court doesn’t say whether those doubts are correct.

Indeed, the VERY NEXT LINE of the opinion is: “For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”

Anybody who is not willfully and/or congenitally ignorant would therefore understand that the Minor Court is expressly NOT making any holding regarding birth citizenship.

Birtherism is to Constitutional scholarship as the game of “Operation” is to neurosurgery.


110 posted on 07/17/2011 12:51:56 AM PDT by Lou Budvis ("Socialism...the smiling face of slavery")
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m not really worried about an email from a congress-critter. Bottom line: his eligibility claim stinks on ice and everyone knows it.


111 posted on 07/17/2011 7:09:01 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: savagesusie

“I have a feeling these guys are being blackmailed or something.”

There’s a herd mentality that dominates busy people. They see the herd run in a certain direction and they don’t fight it. If McClintock had seen the actual B.C., then he’d have an important opinion. If he can discredit John Jay’s interpretation of Vattel, then he has an important opinion. Most “legitimizers” are just skimming surface buz, intellectual lightweights on this issue.


112 posted on 07/17/2011 7:12:37 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Elites and politicians do that all the time-—they “share” their wisdom with the masses, yet there is no substance of philosophy or thinking behind it. Thomas Sowell and Darymple write about the arrogance of elites who have no experience of practice with their “theories” yet treat them as fact. Their “theories” weather like Marx and Bentham’s always destroy societies—they don’t work. Yet textbooks keep quoting the inane theories—like Keynsian economics as fact which is workable, and the only acceptable method which is a lie. Useful idiots always believe it because they have no intellectual knowledge of philosophy...where ideas come from and the causes of history—so they can not discern between the good ideas (like the Founders) or the dysfunctional ones, destruction of all happiness and agency, like Marxism.

But the arrogant elites vote themselves the power, and, they think with it, the mass of serfs. It is all about power and egos. But it only works with the unthinking masses—the ignorant—and that is why our public schools quit teaching and educating in the 30’s. They wanted a populous who couldn’t think, and only acted on “feelings” like Marcuse wanted and the Ayers wanted when they wrote curricula which the Foundations put millions into to brainwash the masses (so tricky!!!!)—so they had their mob Thugocracy—their SIEU, their ACORNS, chicago mafia, so that they could force a fundamental change from our Founding documents.

I do think that opinion is stifled and controlled by the Alinskyite methods of the “free” press. They use it to destroy those who go off the plantation.

They used it to destroy McCarthy—to destroy the “masses” opinion by lies and innuendoes splashed with a little truth. Most people like McClintock have an instinct to avoid pain.....and he is just avoiding the pain of being attacked by MSM and the mobs. He should of just kept quiet on the subject and retained some integrity. How politicians can think they can retain integrity and God’s love by allowing this country to be destroyed by Satanic ideas is beyond me, though. They will have to live with themselves and their children’s loathing when their children discover their acquiescence to evil—the Truth ALWAYS rises to the top—eventually. May be too late for most of us.....but then God always has a plan and will win.

The only reason we still have a modicum of freedom is because of the internet and a few legal brave scholars that fight for the meaning and intent of our Constitution. But even that document would be unrecognizable to all the Founders.


113 posted on 07/17/2011 9:27:05 AM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: savagesusie

“Thomas Sowell and Darymple write about the arrogance of elites who have no experience of practice with their “theories” yet treat them as fact.”

Sowell really nailed them with “Intellectuals and Society”. That should be mandatory reading in High School. And what a maxim: “No one knows 1% of everything.” Death knoll of intellectual power.

“Their “theories” weather like Marx and Bentham’s always destroy societies—they don’t work. Yet textbooks keep quoting the inane theories—like Keynsian economics as fact which is workable, and the only acceptable method which is a lie.”

We need to stop the brainwashing cycle. Absolutely.

“Useful idiots always believe it because they have no intellectual knowledge of philosophy...where ideas come from and the causes of history—so they can not discern between the good ideas (like the Founders) or the dysfunctional ones, destruction of all happiness and agency, like Marxism.”

Right. President Bush for example. It was easy for corrupt intellectuals to scare him into supporting TARP. He let them lead him via techno-babble. That’s what most moderates and leftists are, followers of cargo cults easily manipulated by snake-oil.

“But the arrogant elites vote themselves the power, and, they think with it, the mass of serfs. It is all about power and egos.”

For example, atheists are better off in religious nations unless they are muslim. The irony is that most atheists support muslims just to tweak Christians. What atheists really want is neighborhoods packed with “free love”. That’s their fantasy. They want it so badly that they are willing to destroy culture via Frankfurt School dogma.

“They wanted a populous who couldn’t think, and only acted on “feelings” like Marcuse wanted ...”

THE NEW DARK AGE
http://home.netcom.com/~ncoic/darkage.htm
The Frankfurt School and “Political Correctness”

[Very powerful article once you get past the weak lament of art, theater, and music.]

“Adorno’s old Kant instructor, now a film theorist; {{Norman O. Brown,}} who would become famous in the 1960’s by combining Marcuse’s hedonism theory with {{Wilhelm Reich’s}} orgone therapy to popularize “polymorphous perversity”; {{Barrington Moore, Jr.,}} later a philosophy professor who would co-author a book with Marcuse; {{Gregory Bateson,}} the husband of anthropologist {{Margaret Mead}} (who wrote for the Frankfurt School’s journal), and {{Arthur Schlesinger,}} the historian who joined the Kennedy Administration ... Marcuse’s wife, worked at the Office of Naval Intelligence [prior to JFK] ...”

“... and the Ayers wanted when they wrote curricula which the Foundations put millions into to brainwash the masses (so tricky!!!!)—so they had their mob Thugocracy—their SIEU, their ACORNS, chicago mafia, so that they could force a fundamental change from our Founding documents.”

“They used it to destroy McCarthy—to destroy the “masses” opinion by lies and innuendoes splashed with a little truth.”

Back to the THE NEW DARK AGE, the Frankfurt School infiltrated our defense and intelligence community as well as Hollywood. They also tested brainwashing techniques:

“... coming to America, he worked for the World War II Office of Strategic Services (OSS), and later became the U.S. State Department’s top analyst of Soviet policy during the height of the McCarthy period; in the 1960’s, he turned again, to become the most important guru of the New Left; and he ended his days helping to found the environmentalist extremist Green Party in West Germany ... After completing studies at the University of Frankfurt, Walter Benjamin planned to emigrate to Palestine in 1924 with his friend {{Gershom Scholem}} (who later became one of Israel’s most famous philosophers, as well as Judaism’s leading gnostic), but was prevented by a love affair with {{Asja Lacis,}} a Latvian actress and Comintern stringer. Lacis whisked him off to the Italian island of Capri, a cult center from the time of the Emperor Tiberius, then used as a Comintern training base; the heretofore apolitical Benjamin wrote Scholem from Capri, that he had found “an existential liberation and an intensive insight into the actuality of radical communism.” Lacis later took Benjamin to Moscow for further indoctrination, where he met playwright {{Bertolt Brecht,}} with whom he would begin a long collaboration; soon thereafter, while working on the first German translation of the drug- enthusiast French poet Baudelaire, Benjamin began serious experimentation with hallucinogens. In 1927, he was in Berlin as part of a group led by Adorno, studying the works of Lukacs; other members of the study group included Brecht and his composer-partner {{Kurt Weill;}} {{Hans Eisler,}} another composer who would later become a Hollywood film score composer and co-author with Adorno of the textbook {Composition for the Film}; the avant-garde photographer {{Imre Moholy-Nagy}}; and the conductor {{Otto Klemperer.}}”

[Brainwashing ...]

“The Rockefeller Foundation enlisted several universities, and headquartered this network at the School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University. Named the Office of Radio Research, it was popularly known as “the Radio Project.”

“The director of the Project was {{Paul Lazersfeld,}} the foster son of Austrian Marxist economist Rudolph Hilferding, and a long-time collaborator of the I.S.R. from the early 1930’s. Under Lazersfeld was {{Frank Stanton,}} a recent Ph.D. in industrial psychology from Ohio State, who had just been made research director of Columbia Broadcasting System—a grand title but a lowly position. After World War II, Stanton became president of the CBS News Division, and ultimately president of CBS at the height of the TV network’s power; he also became Chairman of the Board of the RAND Corporation, and a member of President Lyndon Johnson’s “kitchen cabinet.” Among the Project’s researchers were {{Herta Herzog,}} who married Lazersfeld and became the first director of research for the Voice of America; and {{Hazel Gaudet,}} who became one of the nation’s leading political pollsters. Theodor Adorno was named chief of the Project’s music section.

“Despite the official gloss, the activities of the Radio Project make it clear that its purpose was to test empirically the Adorno-Benjamin thesis that the net effect of the mass media could be to atomize and increase lability— what people would later call “brainwashing.”

[unquote — much more depth than this in the expose. Back to you ...]

“Most people like McClintock have an instinct to avoid pain ...” Absolutely. That’s half of the conditioning of Pavlov’s Dogs. A surface knee-jerk response because they have “more serious matters” [or so they think].

“How politicians can think they can retain integrity and God’s love by allowing this country to be destroyed by Satanic ideas is beyond me, though.”

That’s where we differ. I don’t believe McClintock, Boortz, or Beck are consciously empowering evil. They are prioritizing their time the best way they know. As Sowell says, “No one knows 1% of everything.” When I know an anti-leftist is in the wrong, I try to bring him a sting of Truth to balance things out, but the trick is to not alienate them completely.

On the other hand, bear in mind that there are operatives on this very forum who turn other FReepers into useful idiots. And there are set-ups that make easy straw men to tear up. We need to remember how confusing it gets for people. Lord knows, I don’t know HALF of the nuances of certifigate. And few people on the street or in congress have researched it as much as I have. The closer you get to news rooms and the beltway, the harder it is to support the truth. But the good news? This issue is not going away — ever; the truth is not easy to destroy.

“The only reason we still have a modicum of freedom is because of the internet and a few legal brave scholars that fight for the meaning and intent of our Constitution. But even that document would be unrecognizable to all the Founders.”

Actually the sophistication of some coverups requires college level studies. And the awsome thing is how rapidly those studies can be simplified and trumpeted by talented communicators.

This is the Left’s Dunkirk my FRiend, and they don’t even know enough to mobilize yet. They’re still hoping more than thinking.


114 posted on 07/17/2011 10:26:15 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; savagesusie
Bottom line: his eligibility claim stinks on ice and everyone knows it.

I do agree with savagesusie (one of the best names!) - they've been threatened and/or blackmailed, just as the Canada Free Press said all the media outlets and talk people etc were threatened. We are in the midst of a coup and the supposed good guys are like neutered bunny rabbits wetting their pants.

(Wildfire, yours is good too but I can't remember what it means - you told me once though.)

115 posted on 07/17/2011 10:53:19 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Lou Budvis

You “global citizens” keep on polluting discussion threads with your unsupported and unsupportable opinions (crude propaganda to be sure).

Not one of you has ever posted anything factual or truthful.

I have posted the entire decisions several times recently, and links to the decisions uncountable times. Since you offer nothing, just do your part to self-educate, and search my postings, and you will be blessed.


116 posted on 07/17/2011 11:40:23 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: little jeremiah
Thanks!

This tends to go off the subject (like usual for me) but it is so pertinent about the "perceptions" that are created by the MSM.

The intimidation by the MSM is being funded with millions of dollars--probably billions. Doubt, the movie, explains how evil "gossip" operates with the feather analogy.....and illustrates the destruction that can never be repaired completely--never. It is why the Jews classified gossip as such an evil sin even thousands of years ago when mass media and brainwashing was not nearly so effective and controlled by an elite (Marxist) few.

This control of information has been playing for over a hundred years in the US....but we were lulled into believing that US had "truth" and "free press"! That was the Big Lie and lies destroyed many people throughout American's 20th century, or the people were just assassinated, if they didn't shape up to the Marxist worldview and produce what the elites demanded.

We have to destroy the stranglehold Soros-types have on information and reform the public school system they have intentionally destroyed (BK Eakman) to create functionally illiterates so they will fall for the Big Lie and can't see truth and reason if it slapped them in the face! Only local control and parents controlling content can do it. No pervert-islam-controlled content which has been going on for decades.

Internet is a god=send....so was Talk radio.... But the solution is for everyone to take education into their own hands--theirs and their children's.....and eliminate the Marxian content and BF Skinnerean methodologies in all public schools that create group think and dependency. They need to only allow local control of schools--burn all public schools textbooks that determine and force the Marixan worldview and dysfunction and addiction on their children--rid all indoctrination centers for the children.

Put teeth and meaning back into the Rule of Law, particularly the marriage contract--to protect vulnerable children who become prey for the Marxists when not protected by their parents.....you have to protect their minds also--not just body. Get away from this irrational idea of allowing "strangers" to form their worldview in their first seven years of life. This was considered EVIL by all Americans until government indoctrination of the need for government documentation to determine the quality of an educator--parents are stupid. Take back your kid's minds---like the Franklins, Adams, Twains, Wrights, who only allowed family members to form their children's worldview and maybe a pastor.... before they were allowed into the world of "dog eat dog " --so they could be rational and discern the Truth and protect and defend the "fixed beliefs" of the parents. Parental guidance is crucial.

Marxists want 3 year-old preschool because sometimes if parents are doing their job well, it is too hard to corrupt the children--to believe 'up is down'. Read John Dewey--he tells about the "plasticity of the mind" in young children and that government necessity to "shape" that mind so they are "social". Hmmmmmmm

Conspiracy? Absolutely! Lenin wrote about the necessity of controlling the thinking of children to create the future Marxist state where all are serfs--he used Pavlov to help "condition" his children, when he forced mothers into the workplace so they wouldn't interfere with the worldview of his little subjects. All out psychological methods--to control the way you think. BF Skinner's methodologies have been applied to all TV programming.....I used to watch it and could spot it in every single movie....it is intentionally inserted for mind control. We see it worked on the ACORN and SIEU thugs....ideologues do not use reason and intellect and you can have rational discussions with people who don't think. That is the kind of mind our public schools are intentionally putting out. To destroy freedom--to destroy Christianity which gives dignity and worth and morals to the people, and the family unit--the most necessary institutions to protect the developing mind and worldview of a child. The most integral part for the future of society.

117 posted on 07/17/2011 11:52:04 AM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: Windflier

“This is one of the reasons that I support Sarah Palin. She has clean hands, and is determined to see this country restored to its Founding Principles. She has not been bought by evil, and built her reputation fighting corruption on both sides of the aisle.”

Governor Palin is with Congressman McClintock on this particular issue:
She called the Obama eligibility issue “distracting” and “annoying.”
http://www.cbs.com/video/video.php?pid=LhhXEBv8Y8IY2xzhJ8GmBn22nNDRct_Q


118 posted on 07/17/2011 12:01:13 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: savagesusie; wintertime

Savagesusie - great, great points that I know wintertime will like to read. I would so love it if you would write an article with details about all of the above - quotes and such. It would be perfect for FR so people see specifically not just the techniques but the sources of this mindrot.

Mental shackles are the worst. They’re invisible, and people identify with their conditioning.


119 posted on 07/17/2011 12:15:21 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: savagesusie; wintertime

It’s the most insidious form of Stockholm Syndrome - idenitifying with the brainwashing and mental perversion - “It’s ME! I thought it! I am my thoughts and feelings [that have been inserted by those who hate Truth and God].”


120 posted on 07/17/2011 12:17:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

You completely ignore the fact that Obama could not be eligible because of his British citizenship.

That fact will never go away; conflicting allegiance was the sole reason for the NB citizenship clause.


121 posted on 07/17/2011 12:17:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: jh4freedom; Windflier

>> “She called the Obama eligibility issue ‘distracting’ and ‘annoying.’ “ <<

That does not place her “with” McClintock, since she has also indicated her disbelief in his eligibility more than once. She is simply such a political pragmatist that she is unwilling to allow the issue to take up her time and space.

Since the rest of us do not aspire to high office, we can allow it.


122 posted on 07/17/2011 12:23:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor
First, candidates go through an intensive political vetting process in both the primary and general election – their histories are carefully examined by their political opponents who have a vested interest in uncovering the facts. At the end of the campaigns, the voting public weighs in. Then, when all the votes have been cast and counted, it is up to Congress to certify the results. A final check-and-balance against eligibility irregularities lies with the courts, and ultimately the Supreme Court."

Oh, COME ON, Tom! While the above looks GREAT on a Constitutional Law Class's blackboard, haven't you forgotten a few things??

Obama's first opponent, Hillary, was probably stymied by what she knew about Obama's past because he may have had the goods about HER past. You forgot to mention MAD (mutually assured destruction), or "detente."

Obama's second opponent was more scared of being called a racist than of being tortured by the Viet Cong for years. You forgot to mention "unless the candidate is a Magic Black person above all reproach or question."

Ah, yes, the voting public weighs in, half of which were voting for his skin color alone. Did you forget to mention that the First Black Candidate, with the full media at his back, would be chosen by the voters because they wanted to feel "cool" by voting for him? Very few Obama voters last time really understood that he was highly suspect as a natural born citizen, or even knew or know what that even means.

The parties and states who need to ratify his eligibility? 49 did it without ANY proof. The one state that had proof, Hawaii, refused to do it. So Nancy Pelosi stepped in, took out the sentence, and signed his eligibility.

And the courts. Oh, the courts. The glorious Supreme Court, who feels that no one has any standing to even QUESTION Obama's eligibility. You expected that if they never looked into it at all, he must be eligible? That was good enough for you? Oy vey, Tom.

123 posted on 07/17/2011 12:31:09 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: circumbendibus
The document has also been reviewed and deemed authentic by experts at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center.

ANNENBERG??? The place where Bill Ayers and he first worked together???

124 posted on 07/17/2011 12:33:04 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
he may have had the goods about HER past.

Yes, Baraq is an academic leftist, but he also has a "masters degree" in "operations" from the Chicago political mob. They wrote the book on corruption.

125 posted on 07/17/2011 12:34:14 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
I just can’t believe Soros is that stupid. He had countless thousands of communist politicians from which to choose his guy to groom to do his bidding. Why would he pick one who was technically ineligible to be president.

I do not think he was necessarily groomed by Soros at first. I think at first we had the Ayers commie groups and then the middle eastern Muslims came on board. I believe that once they knew Obama has some "problems" with his citizenship, they were first OVERJOYED and then cocky. "We can pull this off." And they were right. Ayers LOVES how stupid the American public is.

126 posted on 07/17/2011 12:37:02 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: little jeremiah
I am almost ready to write....I am studying Natural Law Theory and Music Theory, concurrently, and have a few months left in those areas, plus a major project that is due by Oct. Right now I just practice writing (and thinking) on FR. Practice is a key in writing, although I admit...my editing is extremely rushed right now and time constrained.

Education is the key.

Many people have already written exhaustive accounts on education and Marxist worldview infiltration --like the Long March by Kimball and EK Eakman's Coning of the American Mind and, of course, the most important, The Closing of the American Mind by Allan Bloom which gets down to the foundation of ideas and where they originate.

Knowledge is power. People should understand philosophy and why they think as they do. Emotion has to be subservient to the intellect. Marxism puts emotions above it--a postmodernist idea which had roots in Modernism but crushes the thousands of years of tradition of Natural Law Theory (US foundation and Common Sense) and twists human "rights" into something bizarre and irrational which only leads to a type of slavery for everyone. Marxism is the road to serfdom (slavery).

127 posted on 07/17/2011 12:39:53 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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128 posted on 07/17/2011 12:53:52 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“You completely ignore the fact that Obama could not be eligible because of his British citizenship.”

Does Britan consider him to have British citizenship?


129 posted on 07/17/2011 12:57:52 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo

I don’t know that they’ve ever weighed in on it.


130 posted on 07/17/2011 1:14:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor; jh4freedom
“She called the Obama eligibility issue ‘distracting’ and ‘annoying.’ “

That does not place her “with” McClintock, since she has also indicated her disbelief in his eligibility more than once.

I recall Palin responding, when asked about Trump's quest for Obama's LFBC, something along the lines of, "Yes, let's get it out there for everyone to see."

That statement came closer to outright calling Bammy an ineligible president, than anything I've heard from any other presidential candidate. Unfortunately, for political pragmatism's sake, that's about as close as she could come to that flame without getting burned.

There are more than enough other battles where Palin can easily beat Obama, but the eligibility issue isn't one of them. People must follow where a politician leads, and Palin is wise enough to see that there simply aren't enough troops lined up on that front to win the day.

131 posted on 07/17/2011 1:14:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: savagesusie

For many of us (ahem), exhaustive accounts are sometimes not quite as accessible - maybe no money to buy the books, no good libraries, not enough time, not know all the right books, or (ahem) not enough scholarly brain cells. A synopsis or “How to Detect Marxist/godless indoctrination methods for Dummies” or something. Bit by bit.


132 posted on 07/17/2011 1:17:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Windflier

“There are more than enough other battles where Palin can easily beat Obama, but the eligibility issue isn’t one of them. People must follow where a politician leads, and Palin is wise enough to see that there simply aren’t enough troops lined up on that front to win the day.”

Yep, that’s pretty much exactly what Governor Palin said:
Question: “Do you question his faith and citizenship?”

Response: “I don’t, and those are distractions. What we’re concerned about is the economy. And we’re concerned about the policies coming out of his administration and what he believes in terms of big government or private sector. So, no, the faith, the birth certificate, others can engage in that kind of conversation. It’s distracting. It gets annoying and let’s just stick with what really matters.”


133 posted on 07/17/2011 1:46:36 PM PDT by jh4freedom
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To: Grunthor
I believe that the moon is made of green cheese. If any of you refuse to go along with that, you are clearly bought off, RINO traitors./s
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We have witnesses who walked on the moon, and personally dug up and brought home moon rocks for all to see. There was a undeniable chain of evidence.

So...Who has seen or handled any evidence that Obama is a natural born citizen or a citizen at all. The **ONLY** person who did see and handle certifiable evidence was shot through the head the night before he was to testify. Coincidence? I think not.

What we do **KNOW** is that the evidence posted on the Internet are forgeries.

And....Don't give me that highly legally masturbated verbiage of Fukino that clarified nothing.

134 posted on 07/17/2011 1:54:59 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: Grunthor
I believe that the moon is made of green cheese. If any of you refuse to go along with that, you are clearly bought off, RINO traitors./s
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Remember, please, the warning of Yuri Besmenov. The first people dragged out of their homes an shot were the Useful Idiots.

135 posted on 07/17/2011 1:58:12 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: editor-surveyor

I love your tenacity in the face of ridicule of the ignorant, and how you slay the naysayer’s with truth.

‘Don’t you know that rational people have moved on’ has become one of the true hard hits from our brothers that we see all the time as the continual ‘nothing to see here’ causing the serious divide between all of us conservatives and dividing who is and is not holding dear our Constitution.


136 posted on 07/17/2011 2:49:00 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: editor-surveyor
I love your tenacity in the face of ridicule from the ignorant, and how you slay the naysayer’s with truth.

‘Don’t you know that rational people have moved on’ has become one of the true hard hits from our brothers that we see all the time as the continual ‘nothing to see here’ charlatans causing the serious divide between all of us conservatives and dividing who is and is not holding dear our Constitution.

137 posted on 07/17/2011 2:51:06 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: Herbster

Oh well...


138 posted on 07/17/2011 2:52:16 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: little jeremiah

I have to be lucky with the time that God has given me to pursue my own interests. It is amazing actually and I understand how government is making it impossible for people to have time to educate themselves. Governments thwart and subvert it actually by deliberate lies, whether in the press, censorship of the press, the DOE controlled textbooks of all public schools written by the sick minds of Bill Ayers-types.

We have taxes so high and regulations so hideous that people have to vegetate in front of the TV just for sanity. That they have absolutely no time for their children—esp. checking what is in there textbooks—It is intentional and most entertainment is for distraction. Like Rome’s “Circuses and Bread”.

Parent’s have been conditioned for 80 years....teachers are good, Trust teachers, schools are good....”Big Brother Says So” — better than parents at educating children (so many of our most creative and brilliant thinkers hardly had contacts with teachers—such as Lincoln).

Our Prussian system of school was set up to teach “mass conformity”....”group think” in 1930s. Most of our Franklins and Twains and Wright Bros. are being destroyed because they “think outside the box” or are drugged now, and labeled as incorrigible. Few can rise through the cracks without the taint of drugs. Can’t have unequal in a Marxist state.

So, yes, I will eventually write some articles.... :) because I have had such a tremendous amount of time to educate myself in so many different areas—except math, although I did in the last decade take classes in Geometry, Algebra I and II and Pre-Calculus and Physics....although the last class ended my exploration of that subject, quickly! I was taking the classes for fun......

Yes, my concept of fun is really different from most people’s but, boy, do I have fun! Knowing that evil has always existed and will always be there, lets me enjoy life at all times, even with all this cr*p going on 24/7. Just the same old story of mankind and that same polemic of “God or Man”. Chambers was right in his book, “Witness”. Dead right.


139 posted on 07/17/2011 2:58:26 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: Lou Budvis

On top of that, one of the other 4 cases, the WKA case, also did not define NBC. In fact, the ruling showed that Ark, born in the US to parents who were not working for the Chinese Empire, was a citizen at birth. So if that case supported anything, it was more that place of birth is more important than lineage in determining citizenship at birth.


140 posted on 07/17/2011 3:42:45 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Yaelle

Possible but it is not likely that Soros’s vetting system would be that IDIOTIC.

Please think about it. You are billionaire power broker attempting to install a Manchurian Candidate in as the US president in the hopes that you can also retake the Senate and the House and completely change the face of US Government.

If you are successful, you will leapfrog the US Communist movement decades and decades over incrementalism.

The stakes for you have never been higher in your life and you are looking at holding the ultimate power in your hands for 4 solid years.

You have hundreds of excellent communist politicians at various levels in the United States who you can back and groom as prospects to ascend to the US presidency. You find a black man running for the senate who is LEGALLY NOT QUALIFIED to be President of teh USA, and yet you back him all through his years as Senator and then through a nasty primary against the Clinton Mafia. And all the while, if any Elections Registrar or Court even hints at his ineligibility and decides to investigate and rule on it, you are toast. Your entire investment of time and money is completely wasted.

Now, does that sound in ANY WAY realistic to you? Does that sound like something a dedicated, manipulative billionaire communist would do to the one opportunity he has to leapfrog his communist agenda and get it entrenched in the USA.

Really? He is that stupid?

I just don’t believe it. I’m sorry. I just don’t.

There is no doubt Obama had to have help all down the line getting through college, the Senate and into the presidency. There is no doubt other communist benefactors were carrying him on the way. But I just can’t believe Soros is so stupid or even bold and foolhardy, to pick someone who would be stopped cold at any time in the process that it was learned he was legally ineligible to be president.

Is it possible? Of course it is possible. It could be that item wasn’t vetted, despite his having an adopted Muslim dad, being schooled in Indonesia, etc. But I just doubt it. I’m sorry.

If Obama was truly ineligible to be legal US president, how hard would it have been for Soros to push his second best candidate? Easy, I tell you. Easy. There would just be no reason to take the risk. None.


141 posted on 07/17/2011 5:33:46 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: Windflier
The Undefeated.... Can't wait to see it!
Yes that is what I remember also 5Trillion gone in 2 1/2 hrs or something like that. Hill and Me Cain immediately suspend campaigns and return to DC/bo goes off to HI and what I understood is he had some sort of deadline with elections people there to straighten out his in eligibility. He was a Senator at the time and should have been in DC. Soros was most likely behind it.
142 posted on 07/17/2011 5:45:04 PM PDT by charlene4 ("The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” BHO)
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To: charlene4
Yes that is what I remember also 5Trillion gone in 2 1/2 hrs or something like that.

No, it was closer to something like $5 Billion dollars that was withdrawn that day. It was later estimated that $5 Trillion could have been withdrawn by the end of the day, if the gov't hadn't closed the window.

Yeah, there was a whole lot of awful funny business that went on during (and immediately subsequent to) the 2008 campaign. In my observation, the United States underwent something of a real coup d'etat in that moment in time, and most of our top elected officials rolled over for it.

If you begin tallying up all of the strange events surrounding Obama's election win, and the events of his first year in office, it'll make your hair stand on end. Someone (Soros?) meant to overthrow the Constitution and the US government. They have almost succeeded, too.

I believe that the actual level of real treason that has been committed at the very highest levels of government over the last two years, cannot be understated, and would probably stagger the mind.

143 posted on 07/17/2011 5:59:51 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

It was 550 billion in 2.5 hours. They shut the market down. Kanjorski said it could have amounted to 5 trillion if not stopped!

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/09/rep-kanjorski-550-bi.html

fwiw


144 posted on 07/17/2011 6:06:58 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun
It was 550 billion in 2.5 hours. They shut the market down. Kanjorski said it could have amounted to 5 trillion if not stopped!

Thanks. That's how I remembered it.

145 posted on 07/17/2011 6:19:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Believe me, I understand...


146 posted on 07/17/2011 6:30:46 PM PDT by Czar (NRA Life Member)
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To: savagesusie

You are a real Renaissance Woman!

I homeschooled my children a good part of the time (circumstances made it so I couldn’t all the time) and tutored other homeschooled kids. This was in the 80s. I realized as soon as I used regular childrens’ schoolbooks that they were horrid indoctrination. So I quite using them and just went to the library and got nonfiction books (this was early to mid 80s) and made up our own projects and lessons, I used to write up things myself to teach reading and reading comprehension. A few years ago I was tutoring an 11 year old girl who was way, way behind and her books were SO HORRIBLE. I could not believe the vile and blatant evil propaganda. And she was home schooled, with books provided by the school department.


147 posted on 07/17/2011 10:07:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

You were a lot wiser than I in the 1980’s, although I knew something rotten was afoot, I could not put my finger on it until the 90’s—until Dr. Laura and Michael Savage were saying things which peaked my interest to start learning what was really happening in schools and politics. Needless to say, I was SHOCKED!!! by the sheer EVIL.

Some of the books for elementary school are worse than horrible, they are vile. I read one once which parents had the school revoke (San Jose) from their reading list. Vile ideas.....vile, vulgar language, and advocating dysfunctional, evil actions. Yep—typical Democrat thinking.... that is what they are putting into the heads of children to make them into vile people, if they can. It is the parents that make all the difference—if they guide their children, both intellectually and morally.


148 posted on 07/17/2011 10:55:46 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

You are ignoring the obvious. This is not about Soros being stupid by backing the Great Black Hope, who was never fully eligible. They DID IT. They didn’t NEED eligibility. Who’s stupid? Us, for thinking the Constitution matters.

I think Obama was already packaged, groomed, schooled, and ready when Soros climbed aboard.

All the Obama mentors and handlers did not worry much about eligibility. They filled in some of the cracks with superficial caulk, like the military form the man at 18 had to fill out. That’s about it.

They were probably more concerned with his frequent drug use and homosexual whoring than with his eligibility.


149 posted on 07/18/2011 12:27:38 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

You are completely missing my point. Why Obama? Was he REALLY the ONLY person in the entire USA that Soros NEEDED to do his bidding? Pretend that Obama had died in a car accident while serving in the Senate. What would Soros have done?

You know he would not have quit. He would have taken his next choice that was already groomed and ready to go to do his bidding. Well, that is my point. If he had a #2 all ready to go but simply preferred Obama, and then found out Obama was technically ineligible for the presidency, I just don’t think Soros is stupid and foolish enough to try to ram through his ineligible preference when a perfectly good, perfectly natural born citizen #2 choice was waiting in the wings.

There is absolutely nothing special about Obama that he would HAVE to be the figure head for Soros. You can see communists all up and down Obama’s team. You mean Soros couldn’t have pushed someone like Rahm Emanuel for president if Obama proved ineligible? Why not? He had a treasure trove of commie politicians to chose from.

My entire point is that I find it hard to believe that Soros would risk losing a huge investment of time and money in a figurehead candidate for 2008 by choosing a candidate who was not legally eligible to serve as president. That would be plain stupid, and Soros is not stupid.

It is possible Obama was not eligible, but I find it outrageously unlikely that he was simply because I find it hard to believe Soros would take such an unnecessary risk.


150 posted on 07/18/2011 1:10:08 AM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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