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If speech is suppressed, bullets may replace it
snorphty.blogspot.com ^ | 27 July, 2011 | John Jay Ray

Posted on 07/26/2011 6:34:37 PM PDT by marktwain

I think that is one lesson that should be learned from the Norway massacre. Public opinion polls in Norway reveal a great deal of dissatisfaction with the country's aggressive Muslim minority. But, outside the anonymity of a poll, you had better not say so.

Norway's penal code (Straffeloven, section 135 a) prohibits "hate speech" and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or ridicule someone or that incite hatred, persecution or contempt for someone due to their skin colour, ethnic origin, homosexual life style or orientation or, religion or philosophy of life. So criticism of Muslims is illegal in Norway.

America's founding fathers gave Americans the First Amendment, which would have invalidated such a law in the USA, but there is no First Amendment in Norway and Norway's socialists have not been as wise as America's founding fathers.

So Anders Behring Breivik shot over 80 of the children of the Norwegian Leftist elite who passed the restrictive law concerned. See here.

It's a tragic day when bullets replace words but those who muzzle the words have to take some share of the blame. Trying to hold down discontent by suppressing expression of it is plain dumb -- but very Leftist.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; norway; shooting; speech
John Jay Ray is a retired Phd in Australia who is "a much published psychologist specializing in the study of political psychology".

I have found his writing to be refreshing and informative.

1 posted on 07/26/2011 6:34:42 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” - JFK


2 posted on 07/26/2011 6:38:33 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: marktwain

Actually, what is posted here makes sense. I’ve no clue about the rest as I avoid blogs, but this “feels” right.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 6:38:59 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: marktwain

I digress a bit, but: Up here in the Pacific Northwest I am seeing a proliferation of bumper stickers that say “Turn off Fox News”. I find it revealing that liberals are always ready to curtail someone else’s rights.


4 posted on 07/26/2011 6:40:15 PM PDT by Baynative
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To: marktwain

Think about your image on the Vikings. Then think about the pathetic defenceless reactions of the Norwegians. How are these people the descendants of the Vikings?


5 posted on 07/26/2011 6:50:08 PM PDT by JOPO
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To: marktwain

How would we feel if EVERY rape in Washington DC in one whole year was committed by Muslims?

What is 70% of all our prisons were filled with Muslims...?

How might our feelings be worsened if saying ANYTHING about that was illegal...?


6 posted on 07/26/2011 6:51:46 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Replace Muslim with Holder’s People.

How much different is our situation than that of the Norwegian’s?


7 posted on 07/26/2011 6:55:34 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JOPO

>How are these people the descendants of the Vikings?

Hell, for that matter how are the “white middle class” of the US the Decendents of the Saxons?
Every freeman Saxon possessed a knife, called a Saex (from whence Saxon comes), and they were burried with them; even the children.
(Now compare and contrast that to the prissy flakes who suffer the ‘vapors’ from the mere sight of a weapon; i.e. those that complain about open carry.)


8 posted on 07/26/2011 6:59:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Yeah, but that is because our justice system is using racial profiling.
9 posted on 07/26/2011 7:03:50 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

Sorry my sarc on and off html disappeared.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 7:05:02 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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Sometimes a psychopath is JUST a psychopath and his reason for killing is any random fixation that sticks in his rotten mind.

This man killed children, not a single muslim. He could have said his motive was imitation cheese spread and it would make just as much sense.

To me, he is the same kind of sicko that shot at Mrs Giffords and those in the crowd. Sometimes people want to blame everyone but the clearly insane criminal.

If a real violent political uprising does occur, I promise it will be crystal clear what the message is.

11 posted on 07/26/2011 7:11:24 PM PDT by Casie
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To: OneWingedShark

Liberals allow their kids to play these violent video games where they are graphically blowing everyone away for hours a day, but the sight of a real gun carried by a responsible person freaks every one of them out.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 7:12:12 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: JOPO
ALL the Vikings left the place over the last two centuries. These are the dregs of society ~ the vile landlord class, the priests, the tax collectors, the nobles and their dog robbers (In Chinese that's "running dog lackeys").

Norway inherited the "nice people" and they're stuck with them now in a FAILED STATE that's unable to do anything to protect its people from mass murderers.

Their Norse folk become a relatively isolated gene pool and it's not looking good folks, not good at all.

13 posted on 07/26/2011 7:18:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JOPO
My theory is that the most adventurous and aggressive elements were drained from Norway over the centuries. Some of them had been thrown out (outlawed). Their descendants are now in Britain, Iceland, Russia, and other nations. Other ambitious Norwegians later settled peacefully in places like the U.S.

Another factor is cultural change. Decades of indoctrination by Leftists in the Norwegian educational establishment, plus softness induced by prosperity. Human nature doesn't change, but populations can change their standards. Remember all the atrocities and fanaticism displayed by the Japanese in WW2? In many battles, the Japs refused to surrender, meaning that all those violent males were exterminated. Plus the national loss of face discredited violence in their culture after the war.

14 posted on 07/26/2011 7:18:39 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Casie
The Norwegians are building their list of the dead and publishing little biographies about them. The cops said they'll be doing 4 a day ~ in the first list is: Ismail Haji Ahmed, a 20-year-old dancer who appeared on "Norway's Got Talent"
15 posted on 07/26/2011 7:21:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JOPO; All

Well, they do train their boys to knit and sew to get them to be less aggressive.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 7:24:11 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: fireman15

>Liberals allow their kids to play these violent video games where they are graphically blowing everyone away for hours a day, but the sight of a real gun carried by a responsible person freaks every one of them out.

And that’s exactly my point; it is as CS Lewis put it: “We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” ( Abolition of man: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/lewis/abolition1.htm )


17 posted on 07/26/2011 7:31:43 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: marktwain

mark twain


18 posted on 07/26/2011 7:47:44 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: marktwain

mark twain


19 posted on 07/26/2011 7:48:02 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: marktwain

Norway’s penal code (Straffeloven, section 135 a) prohibits “hate speech” and defines it as publicly making statements that threaten or ridicule someone or that incite hatred, persecution or contempt for someone due to their skin colour, ethnic origin, homosexual life style or orientation or, religion or philosophy of life. So criticism of Muslims is illegal in Norway.
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I would think not applying those laws evenly might cause some frustration, too.

It seems Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere and Minister of Finance Kristin Halvorsen have no problem with the bashing Israel and Jews.

Church burnings... (Norway’s black metal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4sxbfaxOZc&feature=related

It appears to me that law is for people of color, muslims and homosexuals—the rest are on their own.


20 posted on 07/26/2011 8:21:38 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: OneWingedShark
Hell the Franks (French) got their name from a nasty little Axe called the Francisca, they chopped many a Pagan and Saracen neck with it. And Now look at them, My Wife was raised in France, and we went back a Few years ago, its like Seattle except its a country, more Leftism (and Gloominess too) than you will want to see in your life.
21 posted on 07/26/2011 8:22:20 PM PDT by KC_Lion (If Sarah can't be elected in 2012, then Phase II will fall into place, may G-D have mercy on us all)
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