Posted on 07/27/2011 3:58:09 PM PDT by charlene4
Reading that “poem” in its entirety, he’s saying she had a penthouse apartment, went to Europe twice a year, had a Cadillac, and so on. How does anyone know it’s Mad. Dunham, when the name is spelled differently? Any evidence that Mad. Dunham went to Europe twice a year on shopping sprees and had a white Cadillac, apparenhtly a new one every year?
That article “Breaking the War Mentality” has been discussed a lot on FR. You’re new here (unless you’re a retread) and that paper was not an official Columbia paper, it was printed in some kind of weekly (apparently newspaper thing. No evidence that it was officially course work.
Hmmm ...
Where was that penthouse?
Where were the hit songs written?
Wichita?
Seattle?
Mercer Island?
Honolulu?
Ponca City?
Vernon, Texas?
El Dorado, Kansas?
I would argue "creative license". Not everything must be true. Frank Davis said everything in his book "Sex Rebel" was based on his experience, but the story over all was not true. (He did use the name "Ann" though.) Frank was unquestionably a good writer. I bought his book "Livin' the blues" and it is quite well written and likewise an interesting story. I do think the references in his poem about Madeline are possibly linked to Madelyn Dunham, but I would regard the references to Matisse, penthouses, Broadway plays and Europe are more to be regarded as fanciful compliments meant to represent her dreams and desires. Possibly an effort to curry favor from her as a form of flattery. A Statement regarding her tastes perhaps.
Strike that. It was obviously meant to be insulting, more of a caricature.
We cannot prove a negative, we can only say, correctly, that there is no evidence that Soetoro adopted him. The name used on a school registration form is no evidence of adoption.
Of course, if you want to keep repeating it ad infinitum, that is your right.
Okay, I never “got” that kind of poetry.
Anyway, it certainly isn’t evidence that she and FMD were Zero’s parents. Someone’s tossing out red herrings or just trying to muddy the waters IMO.
Yes, the older guy and woman with the backpack are almost certainly Bill Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers was going to school across the street from Columbia (and Obama) in 1983.
IMHO, I really don’t see any resemblence between Barry and Stan Dunham, and between Barry and Ann Dunham in their facial features or body types. Ann Dunham was very heavy in her later years and also heavy in high school. Barry is a strapping lad such as Barney Fife.
Traveling was a priority for Madelyn as shown here:
“As you can see, we live in an apartment instead of a house….But I think we could have done the other if we had wanted. But I traveled, you know, and spent money on the kids – the kids and TRAVELING were priorities.” (From Promise to Power David Mendell pg 36)
Madeline had a white covertible as shown here:
‘Another high school friend, Maxine Box, remembered that they enjoyed getting rides in the old man’s WHITE CONVERTIBLE and that he was always ready and willing to drive them anywhere, wanting to be the life of the party.’ (Though Obama Had to Leave to Find Himself by David Maraniss
Why would it matter if the Columbia paper was “official”? All that really matters is that it included a picture of Bill Ayers from 1983.
Do you find it odd the Frank Marshall Davis’s post-humous biography ‘Livin the Blues’ went silent during his years in Hawaii?
Who do you think Barry’s parents are?
Obama has gone to great lengths to conceal all the documents in his life. You claim that the only “evidence” you will accept are documents that you know have been concealed and are not available for review.
There is plenty of other information that shows that Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama. Obama used the name Barry Soetoro shortly after Stanley Ann married Soetoro. His school records record Lolo as the father. His step sister has stated that Lolo adopted Obama.
You arbitrarily and illogically reject all this information. You provide no information whatsoever to support your assertion that Obama was not adopted.
This is a dishonest argument.
If you think FMD is the father of Maya, you’re really stretching it.
And 0bomba looks absolutely NOTHING like FMD’s son. No resemblance whatsoever.
I am 100% positive that Madelyn is not his mother and FMD is not his father.
Plus, your quotes from friends like Box are basically meaningless because every friend, Punahou classmate etc are all coached or supporters. Any book about 0bomba which is written by a fawning supporter or uses such as references with no other corroborating evidence are as valuable as White House press releases.
And even if Stanley Dunham had a white convertible, so what? That means that FMD is 0bomba’s father? Sheesh.
That isn't Ayers and Dohrn.
There are people who do remember him from Occidental but no purported classmates remember him from Columbia.
Most likely he never attended Columbia at all. There has never been a transcript produced to indicate the contrary. Until such a transcript is produced, his attendance at Columbia is an unlikely possibility.
Of course, if you want to keep repeating it ad infinitum, that is your right.
My position is that there are reasons to believe Obama was adopted. I do not regard it as a foregone conclusion, I merely point out that the weight of evidence currently supports it, and it seemingly answers a lot of questions if it is true. At the moment I don't regard it as established one way or the other.
Anyway, it certainly isn’t evidence that she and FMD were Zero’s parents. Someone’s tossing out red herrings or just trying to muddy the waters IMO.
I agree that it is not evidence that Frank and Madelyn are zero's parents. It does seem to indicate that Frank may have had some sort of connection with Madelyn. I wouldn't think the name was so common as to be a coincidence. My interpretation of the poem is that he thought she was snooty.
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