Some of You Tea Party Folk Think Perry’s the Answer?

http://markamerica.com ^ | 27 August, 2011 at 00:23 | MarkAmerica

[el_texicano]

Looks Tough Firing Blanks

If you're a Tea Party member, or you have significant sympathies with them, I'd caution you against climbing aboard Rick Perry's TransTexasCatastrophe. The Media is doing everything possible to paint this guy as a bronc-busting, cattle-roping, Texan, but in truth, there are more than a few things you ought to know about him. He's no friend to individual rights, except in an election season, and he's not really the trend-setter he'd have you believe. His record on jobs isn't actually so swift as he'd have you believe, and he's got less in common with the average Texan than he does with the Wall Street types with whom he prefers to consort. He's no friend of Main Street, and he's certainly no friend to real entrepreneurs, and for all his posturing as one of us, he isn't, and it's been quite plain. Those of you from outside Texas can be forgiven for mistaking Perry for a conservative. It's assumed because he's a Republican, and he's from Texas, he must be. Let me now explain a bit of why this isn't the case.

Friday I heard the increasingly estimable Mark Davis claim that you shouldn't mind that Perry converted from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party because, as he points out, Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat too. Of course, this is a lie by omission, because what Davis doesn't mention is that it was a long stretch of years between Reagan's conversion and his arrival in California electoral politics. This isn't the case with Rick Perry. He was Al Gore's Texas Campaign Manager in 1988, and following the loss, immediately reversed course and ran as a Republican. I don't know about you, but despite Davis' rather disingenuous interpretation of Reagan's conversion, painting it as just alike, I'm inclined to believe he left some details out intentionally.

Rick Perry has been a regular guest on Davis' show on WBAP in the D/FW area for years, and to consider Davis anything like an objective or unbiased voice in this stretches all credulity. Frankly, I hope Limbaugh finds somebody else to be a regular fill in, because Davis is clearly in the tank for Perry, and it runs against Limbaugh's general premise that he will take no position in a Republican primary, except in general terms on behalf of conservatism.

You may have heard some of Perry's more recent statements about conditions along the Texas border with Mexico, and you might be inclined to believe Mr. Perry thinks more should be done. He even tried to repair his credibility on the issue by being broadcast on a live feed from a base of operations near the border for an interview on Greta Van Susteren's show. If you believe that stage-managed bit of theater, I'm inclined to let you know right now that he's relatively no more conservative in real terms than George Bush, which is to say on the matter of his statist, globalist reflexes, he's no conservative at all. I'd hate it if anybody else broke the news to you, because I believe bad news is best delivered by a friend. Check out the following video for where Rick Perry really stands on issues of the border:

watch?v=UwD84nKA5y0

I realize there's a tendency to overstate things in the name of supporting one's position, but it's really no exaggeration to suggest that Perry isn't really very close in his thinking to Tea Party Members, not when measured against what he's been saying since October 2010, but in what he has said all along throughout his career. He's taken money and support from La Raza, ACORN, and other groups that advocate spending tax-payer dollars for dubious programs and projects.

He's also a crony-capitalist. If you're like me, that's simply something you can't abide. I love the free market, but Governor Perry's revolving door between his staff and corporate boardrooms is a well-established phenomenon, and frankly, if you buy into his nonsense, he's going to wind up exploiting your good intentions too. Companies like Merck and Cintra are more his style, and his staff has reflected this over the years of his gubernatorial reign.

You've undoubtedly heard about the Gardasil flap, and likely been willing to dismiss it as a fluke. That would be a serious and potentially tragic mistake. The most ridiculously egregious thing he may have done in his tenure as Governor of Texas was the proposed TransTexas Corridor. You may have heard of it, but may not have any details, so let me expound on that for a moment or two. This was the project that first enlightened me to Perry's big government answers to all things. The upshot is this: It was to be a vast network of toll roads, but more, it would have included some form of light and heavy rail, pipelines, and all manner of things. On the surface, this might sound attractive, but as with any such project, the devil lies in the details.

The plan included 4400 linear miles of a toll road network, running parallel in many cases to existing Highways and Interstates already in existence. The corridor's right of way was to be a full 1/4 mile wide. Simple math tells you that even ignoring junctions and interchanges, this would have consumed 1100 square miles of Texas' territory. You might argue that while it's a lot of land, Texas is a big state. That's all well and good if the state already owns the land, but since it doesn't, it was going to acquire it by use of eminent domain. Again, you might argue that building roads is one function for which eminent domain out to apply, but once you look at the rules to be applied to this project, you might well conclude otherwise. Rather than basing their offers to property owners on free market value, they instead intended to limit it to "fair market value" as determined by a panel of cronies they would gin up for the chore.

This project actually proposed bisecting county and farm roads, and even property, dead-ending what are fairly important thoroughfares for the communities they serve. More, it would have bisected school districts and even towns along its path. Again, you might think that impossible until you understand that this was to be a closed system with few exits or on-ramps, only permitting access at major Highway and Interstate junctions. This threatened to destroy many rural communities, and they rose up against it. Once the details became clear to the public, it was quickly sent back for re-work, and eventually dumped.

Here were the things they didn't advertise, but you need to know. It was supposed to be operate by a concessionaire, Cintra, for a period of 50 years. It was going to employ tolls of roughly $0.26 per mile. A geographical understanding of the scale of Texas immediately prompts the question: "Who on Earth would voluntarily pay to enter a closed-system roadway at that cost over the huge distances in Texas, when a free parallel alternative is just a few miles away in the form of an Interstate, or Highway?" Good question, and the answer is: Almost nobody. So how did they intend to make this work? In 2004,TxDOT applied to the USDOT for a waiver so that they could charge a toll on the existing I-35. The first leg of the proposed TTC system was called TTC-35, the leg that would run from Laredo to an undetermined point on the Oklahoma border. In other words, it was a corridor to nowhere, but in order to get you to use it, they were going to toll the free Interstate and let it fall into disrepair.

Opponents at the time argued that the existing I-35 corridor could be widened, and this was met with a dismissive rejection by Perry's Transportation Commission. They said it couldn't be done in a cost-efficient way. Your confusion at this statement matches that of the average Texan who realizes that this couldn't possibly be true. How hard is it to add a few lanes here and there? Yes, you'll have some eminent domain issues, but nothing on the scale of what the TTC proposed.

They also promised it would promote economic development, but what they kept concealed for a while, until they no longer could do so under the law, was that because it was a closed system, Cintra, the corporation from Spain that would build and operate it, would also have exclusive rights to all concessions along its length. More, due to the limitations on exits and on-ramps, it could never be shown how this colossal highway system would provide any sort of economic boon to anybody, because you wouldn't be able to access most smaller towns from along its length. I'm sure you'll agree with me that the fact that one of Perry's top staffers was a former Cintra VP, and the fact that one of his own staffers had gone on to work for Cintra had absolutely nothing to do with Perry's TTC plans. Right?

Ladies and gentlemen, if you've fallen prey to the hype about Perry, you may be forgiven, particularly if you're not from Texas. You're not aware, as so many here, that Perry isn't the fellow he's now being portrayed to be. He's not a friend to the Tea Party, despite his seeming 2010 conversion, because much like his conversion in 1989, this conversion also seems to be one of convenience. I will assure you, this is most definitely the case.

Perry likes to put on an act about his conservative credentials, and his sympathies with the Tea Party, but if the truth is told, he's no more one of us than the man in the Moon. You might want to let your fellow conservatives and Tea Party patriots know it too: We're being hustled again.

[MestaMachine]

So if the many, many wanted it, then why did MORE many, many force t/rick perry to reverse it? Are you always this illogical?
And... you doesn’t has to call me sir. Honest. ROFL

[DRey]

Oooh! Ooooh!! I can answer that. I was one of them that didn't want it. Furious about it. You see, we didn't know what we were talking about. We didn't know it was optional, and we didn't know if it was safe. We didn't know a thing about it...like you.

Then, after it was all withdrawn, we started hearing how if we DID want it now, it would cost $365 because insurance wouldn't pay for it if it wasn't mandated, and MOST people couldn't afford it.

[RowdyFFC]

The many many parents didn’t for/trick Perry. The few, the very few commies and RINOs in the legislature didn’t even trick Perry. But they did open up the education statues and screwed the many many things up while they were at it, honey darlin pookie poo.

[DRey]

...er...honey darlin’ pookie poo.......

[NoGrayZone]

"They, too, suffer from Perry Derangement Syndrome."

Sorry but PDS was WELL before this "perry derangement syndrome". You people need to come up with your own ideas....you know, like grassroot?

[free me]

Again, I know you fanatics aren’t going to listen to this, but this is a terrible way to win support for her. Ask, someone, anyone you know whose job it is to sell.

Encourage her to enter the race, then when she does, write threads about why she’s better than Perry. If you care about her, YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE HATE HER doing it this way.
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The above is nonsense, hence my response to you.

First, I am for Palin but many of the other posters on this thread pointing out bush2’s awful record are not.The purpose isn’t to win support for Palin or any other candidate.

My purpose here is to shine a light on bush2’s record. Even if Palin doesn’t run I will not vote for Perry in the primary, I will look for a good tea party patriot candidate that can win instead.

Pointing out your opponents record is an excellent,effective and necessary tactic.

Tearing down the false image being put forth by your opponent works, always.

This is why, despite what you people like you claim to think of them, hundreds of millions of dollars are spent on “negative” ads each election.

[DRey]

No one minds you pointing out Perry's record. In 22 years he has made his share of mistakes. What is unacceptable are the misrepresentations of his record. It is with malice these things are presented out of context. His record is long, and it's easy to put things into the wrong context. There's a word for it. It's called a "lie."

As for making people hate Palin, I still like her. She will be endorsing Perry in September and receiving an appointment for it once he wins the White House. In that capacity she will be able to get seasoned for a legitimate presidential run in the future. I look forward to that time. For now, Perry 2012!!!

[MestaMachine]

Wotta you know. The Bobbsey Twins right here on FR. Can’t argue with empty. Some might say that two heads are better than one. But I don’t say that. No ma’ams. Not me. ROFL

[DRey]

Aw, come on, Mesta. Is that all you got in the way of insults? “Bobbsey Twins”?

[MestaMachine]

DR, if you thought the Bobbsey Twins was the insult, you deserve to be insulted. Geez.

[DRey]

Backing down already, huh?

[DRey]

The other “insult” was too juvenile to offend. Sorry.

[smoothsailing]

Yup. He IS a cutie. Ugly men just hate that about him!

LOL!

[meadsjn]

There. Fixed it. "For the race, everything. For the gringos, nothing."

Well, NO, you didn’t quite fix it, you just changed it to suit YOU, sir bigot.

RowdyFCC, you are pathetically ignorant; flat, stinking, stupid ignorant.

That isn't a personal attack; it's just a fact that you have demonstrated, over and over.

Do a google search on La Raza, and read for yourself what their motto is.
"For The Race, everything; for those outside The Race, nothing."

[Clyde5445]

“She will be endorsing Perry in September and receiving an appointment for it once he wins the White House.”

I don’t think so. The follow puts cold water on your idea. Another thing quit making things up. :)

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“I was quite sure that he wasn’t going to run, because he was adamant until about four months ago that he wasn’t going to run,” she said. But she was quick to add that Perry’s change of heart was fine. “I was surprised that he had changed his position on that, but I’m glad that he’s going to be in there.”

A reporter asked whether, if Obama had committed that sort of flip-flop, she would be more critical, she laughed. “I probably would, to tell you the truth,” she said…
Even with Perry in the race, she said, “I see room in the field. Definitely.”

“If at the end of the line he’s the one left standing, I would be extremely enthused about him because I’m a believer in ABO – anybody but Obama. So, absolutely. But there’s still a long time in this process,” Palin said, adding that Perry’s entry doesn’t affect her decision making.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/12/palin-at-the-fair-didnt-perry-initially-say-he-wasnt-running

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Source for the above Quotes at link.

[DRey]

We shall see, shant we? : )

[Clyde5445]

Perry lied pure and simple. No other way to spin it.

[MestaMachine]

BTW. You DO realize that your explanation, as bad as it is, for the gardasil mandate is accusing t/rick perry of trying to game the system so GOVERMENT, meaning Texas taxpayers, even those without children, would be paying out millions to big pharma. I mean, you are such a whip, you do know that. Right, Ma’am?

[DRey]

Uh...okay....

[DRey]

“such a whip”? What are you, 20 or something?

[alstewartfan]

Maybe he will have an understanding of what leads them to kill innocent people. BTW, why is your piece not on C4P yet?

[South40]

Sure thing N00b. If you keep telling yourself that what you say is relevant and you might even come to believe it. I’ve been here long enough to know you are FOS.

[alstewartfan]

MarkAmerica writes for the Daily Kos? LOL If Mark speaks truth, it needs to be heard. Bob

[MestaMachine]

Didn’t figure how stupifyingly mindbending that explanation was, didja? Well, darlin’, now you know. And you can’t defend it. Now I don’t know which is worse. That you gave that explanation, or that it might be remotely true.

“What are you, 20 or something?”

Like it’s any of your business. Har.

[DRey]

Ugh. Weak. Isn’t it past your bedtime, hon?

[MarkAmerica]

Which piece? I don’t send everything over there.

LOL

[alstewartfan]

It seems to me that one of the main reasons that our country is dying is because guys like Perry are afraid to speak up for truth and the Constitution. Instead, they pander to leftist and criminal elements, which only embolden them. The fact that so many Texans are now, yes, racists, is the result of Perry, Bush and Democrats capitulating at every turn. And that’s why, if we are to save America, we must strenuously reject pols such as Rick Perry. Bob

[EDINVA]

What I haven’t quite understood or been able to understand in the past two years is: how does one become a “member of the tea party?” Which tea party? There are several groups that seem to have adopted variations on the name for commercial purposes.

I am on a whole lot of political email lists and have yet to be solicited for tea party membership. I’ve attended a few tea party events and even at those was never solicited to join and become a member of any organization call the ‘tea party.’ I’ve never been polled as a ‘tea party member’ or supporter, about who my chosen candidate(s) might be. So who is speaking for the ‘tea party’ and which ‘tea party?’

I actually thought the ‘tea party’s’ effectiveness was its lack of organization, its total grass roots participation, its lack of definition; more of a ‘movement’ than organization. I never felt I had to be in one candidate’s camp or another to be a ‘tea partier.’

Does anyone know who the tea party is, its organization, officers, website, etc? I’m not talking about the Tea Party Express or Tea Party Patriots, or other derivative organization. What/who is THE tea party? And how does one become a member?

[MestaMachine]

Defend it. If you can’t, useless, mocking responses might be fun, but they are irrelevant. Defend your position, or stop making a bad thing worse. Do you think you are helping Rick Perry by making him appear to be a crook?
With supporters like you, he would end up in jail.

[DRey]

Mestachild, if you can’t take a hint that I’m tired of talking to the likes of Paris Hilton, let me put it bluntly: I don’t NEED to defend him, and I’m tired of listening to your juvenile insults and shallow and unenlightened thought proccesses. Good night!

[hocndoc]

According to the DSHS website, opt outs are good for2 years. But the. Plan was to change to1 in 2007. I think that was one reason the TMA turned on the. Governor. (On phone, so no links for reference. )

[MestaMachine]

It’s a state of mind. Fed up with big government and lying politicians. Fed up with nanny interference in our daily lives. Fed up with being taxed so big spenders can live in the style to which they have become accustomed. Fed up with the corruption. Fed Up.
If you want a local TEA party, start one. Seriously.

[alstewartfan]

This one about Perry!!

[MestaMachine]

Can’t do it, can ya? Running on empty, so run, baby, run. You know what’s really *juvenile*? Putting forth an argument you can’t defend. THAT’S juvenile. It’s like my three year old saying, “Because, that’s why”
See ya. It’s been....illuminating.

[usconservative]

After 11 years of reforms by Perry, Texas still ranks at the bottom of many educational indicators. Texas has the fewest percentage of adults with high school diplomas, compared to the other U.S. states.

As a resident of the People's Socialst RepubliK of Illannoyed, I can *factually* tell you that Illinois ranks *worse* than Texas. Here in Illinois, 3 out of 4 kids graduating high school are NOT ready for College, that according to a Chicago Tribune front page article from just last week. (This is why I send my kids to PRIVATE school here...)

Can Texas beat that?

One of the perpetrators of this fiasco was none other than Obama's secretary of education, Arne Duncan who drove the Chicago Public School system right into the ditch. As if it wasn't bad enough with a barely 70% graduation rate when Duncan took over, he drove the rate down into the low 50% range.

Texas is also ranked low in high school graduation rate.

Once again, see Illinois and the damage Arne Duncan, backed by Barack Hussein Obama have done. Surely, Texas can be no worse than it is here..

Texas is 49th in verbal SAT scores in the nation and 46th in average math SAT scores. Can we trust him to reform Washington?

Oddly, that's where Illinois is. Sure you aren't confusing Illinois with Texas?

Look, I'm not the world's biggest Rick Perry fan, I'm just starting to 'warm up to the guy' because frankly, I've become an "ABBO" (Any Body But Obama) kinda guy. I can't imagine someone doing worse damage to this country than Obama has.

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

Dittos.

[DRey]

We’re on another thread now. Get with the program. We can argue there if you come up with something intelligent to contribute.

[FreedomPoster]

How does it compare against other states with similar black and hispanic populations?

[Oceander]

Who gave the following answers in an interview that touched on the subject of illegal immigrants?

Q:  Do you think they all should be deported?

A:&bnsp; There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant -there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants- not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

*   *   *

Q:  To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

A:  I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

[EDINVA]

But that’s confirming my perception.. it’s a movement/a state of mind. No hard i

We already have a local group and I’ve attended a few events but it’s always been more events, no membership. I think as soon as it gets there, it loses its power and effectiveness.

[grey_whiskers]

Maybe I'm crazy but I kinda like big business. That's where the jobs are.

Yeah, especially in India and China.

Support small and medium business. That's where US job growth comes from.

Oh, wait. Palin's family was *in* a small business.

Cheers!

[hocndoc]

We’re stuck with both the educable and uneducated by the feds. Preferring the former doesn’t make anyone a. RINO.

[hocndoc]

You’re hopeless, clueless and irrationally biased. Your “facts “ are skewed to your bias.
This is a marker, Mark, for more complete answer, later.

[lwoodham]

I sounds good to say you will vote for the most electable candidate, but in reality, as I have stated before, if the candidate who is most electable is not a conservative then we are screwed either way. If Obama, or a non-conservative is elected in 2012 this nation probably won’t survive. Show me where Perry is a true conservative and a patriot that stands up for the constitution as written by the founders. He seems more like a liberal lite John McCain type to me.

[grey_whiskers]

Here, Rowdy, suck on this.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

BUT, in order to get your immunizations paid for by Medicaid, SCHIP, or your insurance provider, it has to be a state mandated immunization.

And we ALL know that Medicaid and SCHIP are the epitome of small-government conservatism.

Game, set, and MATCH.

Perry's a RINO. You FAIL.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

It's called "Survival of the Fittest."

Lots of established posters have got the ZOT when it came out they weren't really conservative, or were seriously intent on undermining one or more planks of the conservative platform.

This is NOT a GOP site, it is a conservative site.

Classic mistake, to think that if someone has been on this site ten years, that they have blue hair.

Second mistake, is to disallow the wisdom which comes with either age or experience.

Third mistake it to abrogate to yourself the role of arbitor of respect: just because you are behaving badly enough to have completely EARNED the contempt directed at you, doesn't mean that the people despising you are doing it just because you threaten them.

They're doing it because you are merely a troll, and it's gotten obvious.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Yup. He IS a cutie. Ugly men just hate that about him!

Real men are not particularly concerned with other mens' looks.

Freudian slip on your part, no doubt.

Cheers!

[FreeReign]

So our most recent entry into the race, Perry is the only one who has spoken to La Raza?

Cool burrito beans.

[MestaMachine]

Didn’t you get the memo? They are over on another thred. DRey just lost another round with a child. ROFL