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I lost my passion for Apple
BetaNews ^ | 08/27/2011 | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 08/27/2011 1:05:29 PM PDT by TomServo

Earlier this month I sold my 11.6-inch MacBook Air (using Samsung Series 5 Chromebook now) and iPhone 4 (switched back to Google Nexus S). I don't miss either Apple product. Not the least bit. In reflecting, I realize that the spell is broken. Without Apple Chairman Steve Jobs driving innovation or inspiring passion -- the oft-called "reality distortion field" -- my Apple enthusiasm is gone. Perhaps it's return to sanity.

I should have connected the dots sooner, but often people don't easily apply even basic math to emotional matters, because the nuances move swiftly on the surface with many slower currents and fast-churning eddies below. The ocean is an excellent analogy. Yesterday, in viewing Nate Mook's slideshow of 20 products introduced by Jobs, and resurfacing emotions about the different launches, I had an epiphany. I could see how much Jobs' passion infected mine -- his ability to inspire about what Apple products offered. I used to joke about the Steve Jobs spell: During one of the product launch speeches, if he was having an off day, people left feeling like: If I buy this thing my life will be better for it. If Jobs was in the zone giving the preso, people left feeling if they didn't buy the new thing their lives would be worse.

Jobs' cast a big spell, but it was more than the pitch -- there are aspirational qualities built into Apple products. Jobs is the rarest of business leaders: He has good taste and the ability to inspire people working with him to put it into high-tech stuff. Related: Design priorities put features that are most useful at the top, packaged such that there is balance among them -- none takes away from overall functionality. Additionally: Simplicity is a defining Apple design characteristic, or was.

As I explained here at BetaNews in February 2005 post "iPod Shuffle: Apple understated": "The company has turned a knack for the understated into a marketing machine that touches virtually every Mac product, including iPod Shuffle...Understated often means uncomplicated. And sometimes that means cutting back consumer choices, as Apple did with iPod Shuffle. Less really can be more...Competitors really need to study what Apple is doing right and how to incorporate a similar approach into their product designs and marketing".

Complication Creep

But on reflection, I now see how much simplicity, one of Apple products' best attributes, is giving way to complication creep. Mac OS X 10.7 Lion and iTunes 9 and 10 are glaring examples of increased complexity, as are iOS 4 (and soon v5), Safari 5.1, iLife `11 and most other Apple software.

Even Apple Store. I wrote in 2005: "Apple retail stores are remarkably understated. The only bright colors are found on marketing material placed throughout the store. Otherwise, the tasteful stores are quite stark, so that the shoppers' eyes are drawn either to the colorful marketing posters and signs or to the products on sale". The stores are no longer as tasteful, and the new iPad product information displays create clutter and complexity.

Still, where Steve Jobs' influence still touched so did simplicity remain, which iPad 2, MacBook Air and Mac App Store imbue. But other recent attempts at simplicity have failed, with Final Cut Pro X example of increased complexity coming from an attempt to make video production simpler. Many of Apple's elite customers complained about the product, and there was even a petition to bring back the old version! Could such a thing really have happened with Steve Jobs hands-on at Apple?

When Passion Fades

Steve Jobs unexpectedly resigned as Apple CEO two days ago, and the Board of Directors immediately chose Tim Cook, then chief operating officer, as replacement. Much of the punditry about the transition is similar: Apple will remain the same Apple under Cook. This is misguided, wishful thinking.

Apple will change under Cook's leadership. Actually Apple already has changed. For about three years now, Jobs' influence on product development and marketing is less than it once was. The Apple faithful will slam me in comments or elsewhere for speaking such blasphemy. But, c`mon. The man is terribly ill -- clearly fighting for his life throughout much of 2009 and 2011.

As I more seriously review the 2.8 years since Jobs' January 2009 medical leave started, it's clear the aforementioned qualities are missing and other less-desirable ones present in Apple products. This reflects the limits of Jobs' involvement in the process -- at least the way he was able to be when in more robust health. There is a vitality gone from Apple's cofounder that many recent Apple products reflect, even as the company reaches its highest pinnacle of success ever. It's a cruel circumstance that a man who has had so much positive influence should be ravaged from the effects of cancer while still in his prime.

Kirk and Spock

Jobs and Cook couldn't be more different leaders. They're complimentary: The inspired visionary looking to bring good taste and understated design to otherwise complex products and the man responsible for getting them to market. Like James T. Kirk and Mr. Spock from "Star Trek". Kirk is the leader, the charismatic one. Spock is the empowering sidekick but not as effective leader. That's how I see Jobs and Cook.

Cook will competently lead Apple, as he has done for the better part of two years. He's honed Apple's supply chain to a science. Apple is a self-propelling machine now. But like Spock, Cook won't have the passion of Kirk. This will affect his ability to hold onto the team core to Jobs, such as product design genius Jony Ive.

Apple won't find feature compromises -- the kind good for keeping them in balance -- as easy in the post-Jobs-CEO world, either. Response to Final Cut Pro X is one example of that. Jobs had a knack for making people believe in his company's products, for clearly calling on real-world passion while making anyone and everyone willing to listen to feel good about Apple stuff. Apple products evoke emotional response, like few others in techdom. They are imbued by Jobs' passion and his ability to inspire others to design greatness or to give someone like Jony Ive freedom to bring true design genius to market.

Apple feels quite different to me now in 2011 than it did in 2008. It's all corporate now. Just dollars and cents on a ledger. What Jobs imbued already is gone, at least for me. I predict it will fade for many technophiles. But not anytime soon for the mass market of buyers, who are more influenced by what their friends and family use than by the aura of Steve Jobs.

His legendary "one more thing" was one last thing long ago.


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1 posted on 08/27/2011 1:05:31 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Swordmaker

Ping...


2 posted on 08/27/2011 1:09:02 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: TomServo

“Made in China”.


3 posted on 08/27/2011 1:10:51 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("Cut the Crap and Balance!" -- Governor Sarah Palin , Friday August 12 2011, Iowa State Fair)
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To: TomServo

Ever notice that the anti-Mac crowd is a lot more vocal, than the pro-Mac crowd?

To quote Tom Clancy “Never ask a man what kind of computer another man uses. If he uses a Mac, he’ll tell you. If he doesn’t mention it, why make him feel bad”.

It simply works ...


4 posted on 08/27/2011 1:13:53 PM PDT by Hodar
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

What phone is made in the USA?


5 posted on 08/27/2011 1:21:01 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: TomServo

Sum it up in 3 words:

Cult Of Personality


6 posted on 08/27/2011 1:28:15 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: TomServo

so this guy has gone from macmad to googlehappy ?


7 posted on 08/27/2011 1:30:50 PM PDT by molson209
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To: TomServo

Another Apple v. Whatever thread? Sigh. I liken these arguments to Ford v. Chevy v. Dodge. What does it matter? Get what you like ... something that works for you ... and forget the rest. No need to argue.


8 posted on 08/27/2011 1:33:08 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Sum it up in 3 words: Cult Of Personality Fixed that for ya.
9 posted on 08/27/2011 1:35:10 PM PDT by EnglishCon
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To: TomServo

Not me!


10 posted on 08/27/2011 1:43:40 PM PDT by doggieboy
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To: Hodar; TomServo

They are ALL made in China.

As for Apple... I made the change two years ago and it is the best thing I have ever done so far as productivity and ease of work is concerned. I am and independent engineer, I make a living working with a computer not working on one.

Knock on wood, two years and never a crash. The only problems I have ever had are Microsoft and I think those are intentional bugs by MS.

I now got an iPhone after trying to make the Blackberry Storm and curve and Casio Commando with Android (a really nice phone) work with my system... they don’t. When you start the purchase with patch this and that and this... forget it.

I had so much trouble with PCs that I put everything on portable hard drives in anticipation of the day I threw the thing out in the yard... I did throw it out in the yard one day... with extreme prejudice. Boy, that felt good!!!

Now, when forced to do windows crap I do it with Parallels, not perfect but it works OK. Works best when you turn all the Mac stuff off, probably a memory thing.

Apple is not about Steve Jobs, it is about an architecture and quality products. The keyboard, drive, case and all on my laptop endure being lugged around in a brief case almost every day. In and out of the bag, link to projectors in client offices and link to their networks pretty much just plug and play. Apple engineers did all this in the 2.8 years Jobs was gone and did it just fine.


11 posted on 08/27/2011 1:57:01 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: TomServo

Apple is like are recovery jobsless.


12 posted on 08/27/2011 1:59:05 PM PDT by ThomasThomas ( Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we can identify their corporate sponsors.)
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To: Hodar
I thought going Mac would make me happy. It has only magnified my frustration.....every time I have to use a Window machine at work. I have stopped calling them Windows because if you open much more than one window they start locking up.

Now I have a new work laptop with Windows 7. I almost never touch the 7 environment because the software I need to use isn't compatible. I am running it all through a virtual XP instance because 7 is compatible with virtually nothing.

I love my Macbook Air, love my iMac, love the iPads and iPod touch. I have always found iTunes to be a bit more complicated than it had to be.

13 posted on 08/27/2011 2:00:14 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: al_c

Except in theses arguments, one side is laughing at the other, and the other is screeching in indignation at being laughed at.


14 posted on 08/27/2011 2:04:35 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Sequoyah101

I agree. I’ve been dealing with MSFT for decades; my next PC will be a Mac.

Why? Because when I get the opportunity to use one; it’s like a cool breeze on a hot day. It just works, it works seamlessly, without patches, without work-arounds, without hangs. And what seems like the logical next step; almost always is. The more practical settings are set by default - I don’t need a PhD understanding of graphical interfaces to do basic editing.

I watched a presentation for iDVD; and I was infuriated. I was so mad I saw red - literally. Ever tried to make a home DVD using Windows software? iDVD and iMovie made this as simple as humanly possible. A 10 minute video, with music, credits, family shots - done in an Indiana Jones theme took me 15 minutes. 15 MINUTES!!

I spent 10+ hours fighting DVD Studio and Windows DVD maker; and would up with something that looked like Crap. What truly innovation has Windows made in the last 15 years? What does Office 11 have, that Office 95 didn’t have? (Aside from re-learning to use the ribbon?).


15 posted on 08/27/2011 2:05:28 PM PDT by Hodar
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To: Hodar

Not really. There are lots more pro-Apple threads here for instance than anti-Apple threads. But we see what we want to see as a defensive mechanism.


16 posted on 08/27/2011 2:12:04 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: Hodar

So much passion! So many anti-mac sentiments!

I’ve owned a 128, a 512, a II+, a Quadra, a G3, a Powerbook 1600c, I think two G4s, and a 150c. Also I think a “560c.” Awesome computers, all.

Now I drive high-power gaming towers on 7 getting all sorts of creative work done and I don’t really miss having to spend three times as much on a basic computer.

I don’t crash. Even Vista never crashed on me.

Macs are great and so is “Windows.” I think it has a lot to do with how you care for and optimize your equipment, and what sort of software you prefer.


17 posted on 08/27/2011 2:14:51 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux

Sorry, I meant anti-”PC.”

(I still like to use the word “Clone.”)


18 posted on 08/27/2011 2:17:37 PM PDT by golux
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To: aft_lizard
Not really. There are lots more pro-Apple threads here for instance than anti-Apple threads. But we see what we want to see as a defensive mechanism.

But, consider, how many Pro-Windows threads do you see? Not too many.

The Pro-Apple threads are people talking about the advances OS X has made (made even more stable by sitting on top of a Darwin Unix kernel), or an upcoming Apple hardware release. When the iPad was announced, the 'experts' derided it as a stupid concept, a product destined for the trash. I pre-ordered mine at 5:15am on the day it was first available. Some people do not understand something, until you smack them in the head a dozen times with the product. I saw it's potential the moment it was demonstrated - and had my cash in hand within 2 weeks from that day. I still use my iPad 1 every single day.

The anti-Mac threads; are not opposed to a breakthrough, or advance OSX - they are an attack against Apple users, or Jobs personally.

That's the difference.

19 posted on 08/27/2011 2:18:01 PM PDT by Hodar
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To: Hodar

And, every new version of something MS comes out with moves just about everything on the menu!!! I was once a whiz at Excel but not so much now since I don’t have to use it as much and most things have changed. More, they remove functionality. I once could 3D graph... not any more. Why? No answer from MS, somebody there decided to change it.

My iPhone... very few directions needed, just plug in and follow four simple steps to activate it. I can see I’m going to need a backpack battery though. I am grandfathered with unlimited band width and keep the thing on some kind of radio station or Pandora almost all day. It is the productivity tool I needed for ages. Apps are almost endless and cheap. Really don’t need to spend much though since many are free and useful. It is also going to need screen protectors and a case because I carry it all the time.

Every time I have to use a PC I’m reminded why I hate them.


20 posted on 08/27/2011 2:19:16 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Sequoyah101

>>>They are ALL made in China.

Or Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, even RIM assembles Blackberries in Mexico... Be careful with blanket assumptions.


21 posted on 08/27/2011 2:20:33 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: TomServo

My daughter, grandson, granddaughter and I all have Ipads. We are very, very happy with them. I have a fairly new desktop and laptop but I use the iPad more than the other 2 put together. My 2 great granddaughters have games on my daughter’s and they are learning so much on it. They are 3 and 2. I was with the 2 year old last week and I could not get over how very smart she is. The 3 year old is the same way. My daughter’s friends will not allow their kids to even touch theirs which is a huge mistake.


22 posted on 08/27/2011 2:21:20 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Hodar

Something most apple don’t see or refuse to see is that they brought it on themselves..there really is a born again mentality to alot of nuvo-Apple users who look to proselytize their new found faith. That is irritating to read constantly...whats more they often spew FUD at others peoples taste in MS.


23 posted on 08/27/2011 2:26:28 PM PDT by aft_lizard (Barack Obama is Hugo Chavez's poodle.)
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To: Hodar
Ever notice that the anti-Mac crowd is a lot more vocal, than the pro-Mac crowd?

No, not at all.

That said, this article doesn't sound like a typical Hater, it brings up some interesting points about Jobs himself, and his ability to bring us along with his flights of fancy.

I think Jobs leaves us on a high note. In my opinion, the iPad will be the most influential product of them all. The iPhone, bleh, just another smartphone, if only Apple would make one with a much bigger screen.... and then boom, they made the iPad. This product really does change everything.

24 posted on 08/27/2011 2:31:28 PM PDT by Paradox (Obnoxious, Bumbling, Absurd, Maladroit, Assinine)
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To: Hodar

I know how you feel. I have tried to do what I though was simple DVD stuff and it drove me up the wall looking all over the web for a software program to do something.
Worst part is I never have found the simple software to make a DVD like I want.
I had a LISA system way back when and that thing was so easy to learn and use.
I may be with you and try a MAC again.


25 posted on 08/27/2011 2:37:52 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Hodar

My employer uses both MAC an PC so I own both to keep up with the technology. I have no problem with either albeit I use the Macs more for graphics an media with PC used for CAD an other technical software.

Can either or do same jobs...yes. Does one do something better than the other yes. Is one built an warranted better than the other yes. I get what I want need an like to use an fits the task to be performed best.

Hope yer well....stay safe.


26 posted on 08/27/2011 2:38:12 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Keith in Iowa

Or Malaysia or etc. Same thing... not made here.

Isn’t China the same in this time as Made in Japan was 30 years or more ago except just more of it? Made in Japan was to made in Asia as Coke is to cola, just another metaphor. Same for China but they are probably more dominant this time.

Let us be technically correct in public then... NOT MADE IN USA. Happy now?


27 posted on 08/27/2011 2:39:13 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: TomServo; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ...
Joe Wilcox claims he lost his enthusiasm for Apple now that Steve Jobs has left, and has rediscovered the Joy of Windows computers and Anfroid phones!—but some how he had this epiphany BEFORE Steve Jobs left, and it ignores the fact that he's been a nay-sayer about Apple throughout his career! Amazing!—PING!


Pundit claims he's lost his enthusiasm for Apple!

Please, No Flame Wars, Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

28 posted on 08/27/2011 2:53:59 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Sequoyah101

And who cares?

If it was made here, no one could afford these products, or the companies would have to cut their profits and/or quality, like GM/Chrysler/ford.

That’s a free market, welcome to America.


29 posted on 08/27/2011 2:58:24 PM PDT by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: TomServo

BSD
is the
One True Code

(Sorry, someone had to say it...)
30 posted on 08/27/2011 3:20:30 PM PDT by Peet (Cogito ergo dubito.)
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To: Aqua225

Well, first the labor market, then the remaining tax payers who pay their unemployment and support, then the tax payer after he realizes he is carrying not jut him but probably two others then... the people who took over the manufacturing because they now have the money the people who used to buy their stuff had and they aren’t buying anymore.

Everybody has to produce something to be useful on the ship or they can’t be on the ship. There is no room for passengers.

The free market isn’t free.

Consider the story told attributed to Dell, really doesn’t matter if it was Dell or not because any American company that once made stuff would do just as well... a Taiwan company came to them and offered to make chips for a good price... it improved Dell’s profit for the next quarters so they said OK.

Time went on and things went well, the Tai company came back and said things are working well, we can make your mother boards as well. It will improve your profit for the next quarters and making chips and mother boards are not your core business. Dell said OK.

Time went on and things went well, the Tai company came back and said things are working well, we can make your and package your computers as well. It will improve your profit for the next quarters and making chips and mother boards and assembling and packaging computers are not your core business. The labor market and business climate in the U.S. was getting harder and harder to manage what with all the mandated benefits, taxes, environmental regulation, constant OSHA inspections. Just a general pain in the neck to make things in the U.S. All they were doing now was packaging an shipping and it just wasn’t worth the trouble any more. Getting rid of this liability felt good. Dell said OK.

Later, when Dell went to the big box retailers for the next year’s contracts there was price pressure. Dell went to their supplier in Taiwan to see what could be done. No, the Tai company told Dell, there is no way we can reduce prices and they also told Dell that they had alternatives that were more profitable than making Dell computers. Dell wondered what to do since they no longer made computers and didn’t have a good handle on what the true cost structure was. They had also dismantled all their manufacturing capability.... something they were once good at and something that took a long time for them to build. It would cost a lot of money to recover the ability to make things

Meanwhile, a new computer started showing up on the shelves of the big box store Dell once sold to. It was well made and looked a lot like a Dell computer but it was less expensive.

Guess who is making the profit margin now? Guess what Dell share holders are thinking about now? The stock holders bought shares because the company made a profit and because they expected it to grow and continue to be a going concern... outsourcing gone to far is a going out of business model.

Who care? That’s a free market, welcome to America. Welcome to capitalism.


31 posted on 08/27/2011 3:30:07 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Sequoyah101

That is not a myth. That is an actual story. The company was Asustek and they started making boards from Dell.

I myself purchased multiple Asustek boards when I used to assemble my own PC’s

Dell was suprised the day Asus computers started selling at Best Buy


32 posted on 08/27/2011 3:46:54 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Sequoyah101

And now there are thousands of consumers and new businesses that benefit from the lower cost commodity product they can use to build their business. The Dells and HPs and Sonys of the world now compete to add more functionality and capability for a given price, allowing new business to grow and thrive.

A stagnant economy is a dead economy. Turmoil breeds growth.


33 posted on 08/27/2011 3:47:01 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: TomServo

I think this person was much more attached to Steve Jobs than he was to Apple tech.

In my opinion Apple the company has absorbed the lessons of how simplicity and elegance can lead to success and premier tech products.

Apple and its products will be a fine legacy for Steve Jobs for decades to come. In fact perhaps his letting go will be a good thing, and allow Apple to release products to fill obvious gaps in its lineup.

A prosumer mini-tower desktop, for instance. ;-)


34 posted on 08/27/2011 3:49:13 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: TomServo

I feel the exact same way. With Steve Jobs out the thrill is gone. Apple will be just like a Hewlett Packard or Dell clone. I don’t own any Apple products (rip off prices) but I’m in mourning and the thrill is definitely gone without Chairman Steve leading this Cupertino gang


35 posted on 08/27/2011 3:50:05 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: SoftwareEngineer
Dell was suprised the day Asus computers started selling at Best Buy

I doubt it - Asus computers have been available in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and China for nearly a decade - well before they started selling in Best Buy. Asus is a household name in most of Asia, and has been for a long time.

37 posted on 08/27/2011 3:56:48 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Sequoyah101
It is also going to need screen protectors and a case because I carry it all the time.

Do some searching on Gorilla Glass - it's a 3M product. The iPhones and iPad have them - there are a plethora of YouTube video's on this stuff. 3M has a very amazing product with this glass. Unless you are intentionally banging on it with a sharp screwdriver, you aren't gonna hurt it. Watch a few videos - truly amazing!!

Unless you are around diamond dust, line your pockets with emery cloth, or have a habit of dragging your phone behind your car on the way to work - you don't need the screen protector. I got a nice snap on case to absorb any shock if I should drop it; but it lives in the front pocket of my jeans for the past couple years and not a single scratch on the screen. Impervious to mere spare change and car keys.

38 posted on 08/27/2011 4:01:10 PM PDT by Hodar
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To: Sequoyah101
It is also going to need screen protectors and a case because I carry it all the time.

Do some searching on Gorilla Glass - it's a 3M product. The iPhones and iPad have them - there are a plethora of YouTube video's on this stuff. 3M has a very amazing product with this glass. Unless you are intentionally banging on it with a sharp screwdriver, you aren't gonna hurt it. Watch a few videos - truly amazing!!

Unless you are around diamond dust, line your pockets with emery cloth, or have a habit of dragging your phone behind your car on the way to work - you don't need the screen protector. I got a nice snap on case to absorb any shock if I should drop it; but it lives in the front pocket of my jeans for the past couple years and not a single scratch on the screen. Impervious to mere spare change and car keys.

39 posted on 08/27/2011 4:01:17 PM PDT by Hodar
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Just the way Steve looks and the other dude looks....This looks like an AIDS poster, I’m sure others thought the same. Not that SJ has AIDS and I wish him well and hopefully a recovery. You can look awful just before you turn it (cancer) around. Michael Douglas looked awful while he was getting dosed on radiation or chemo and he beat it.


40 posted on 08/27/2011 4:05:21 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Hodar
Do some searching on Gorilla Glass - it's a 3M product. The iPhones and iPad have them - there are a plethora of YouTube video's on this stuff.

Actually, I don't think the iPhone 4 and iPad have Gorilla Glass. Here's one independent source stating as much, and I don't think Apple has ever directly claimed they use Gorilla Glass.

Additionally, the Apple glass can be scratched in normal use.

I think this is an urban myth that the iPhone and iPad use Gorilla Glass.

41 posted on 08/27/2011 4:07:10 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

“Stevie’s not looking too well”

Nope, he’s sure not. Having seen terminal cancer up close myself, I’d have to say he’s not long for this world. I wish him the best, and miracles do sometimes happen...

Sad to see such a successful person in that kind of shape so young. He’s worked hard, and from what I’ve heard he’s tried to live a fairly clean life. Sometimes, life just isn’t fair.


42 posted on 08/27/2011 4:30:58 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Already proven to be a Photoshopped image by TMZ.


43 posted on 08/27/2011 4:32:15 PM PDT by Terpfen (Buh-bye, Suntan Charlie.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

Could not recall the name of the company and was too lazy to look it all up. Thanks for the clarification.

Of course, someone on this board does not think this is a problem at all. Seems to be something about not understanding the metaphor or that anything taken too excess is not a good thing.

I’m all for free enterprise and all that good stuff but poking myself in the eye with a sharp stick and then figuring out later that it does damage is just stupid.

I understand change is what makes things go and that competition is useful. I guess I’m just too much of a flag waver to be willing to see our jobs go away without some other path to follow.

Sat Aug 27 17:47:01 2011 · 33 of 43
FromTheSidelines to Sequoyah101

And now there are thousands of consumers and new businesses that benefit from the lower cost commodity product they can use to build their business. The Dells and HPs and Sonys of the world now compete to add more functionality and capability for a given price, allowing new business to grow and thrive.

A stagnant economy is a dead economy. Turmoil breeds growth.


44 posted on 08/27/2011 4:39:42 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: FromTheSidelines

You are missing the point. Asustek was NOT a computer manufacturer when they began sub-contracting for Dell. They moved up the value chain by taking larger and larger sub-contracts with Dell and then they came out in Asia and one fine day... they were in Best Buy.

This in an absolutely true story. Google it with the source “Forbes” and it reviews the book that was written about it. They interviewed the founder of Asustek. He literally said that Dell taught him every single detail on how to make a PC


45 posted on 08/27/2011 4:42:43 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: Hodar

I knew it was Gorilla Glass but thought it was only shatter resistant not nearly scratch proof.

I got a cover but it is for a G4 and I have a G3, not as big a phone apparently though it is an iPhone4 and I thought that was the same... They were 90 cents each so I guess I’ll figure out how to give them to someone who can use them.


46 posted on 08/27/2011 4:44:02 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: SoftwareEngineer

No, you’re missing the point - people learn from their customers AND suppliers AND employers AND competitors all the time. Asus came out from Acer, when 4 of the senior engineers at Acer left and created Asus. And they learned from Acer what they needed to get business from Dell.

Then they learned from Dell and others about how to sell finished computers. And have done so since 2003 when they introduced their own branded product on the market.

Is this a bad thing? No - Dell is still in existence, we have another brand to choose from (more competition), and the market survives. What’s the down side?


47 posted on 08/27/2011 5:02:17 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: PreciousLiberty

“A prosumer mini-tower desktop, for instance. ;-)”

Ha! I bid farewell to that dream years ago and now you remind me?

Without Jobs there to put his powerful foot down, who knows what sacred cows will be smashed...


48 posted on 08/27/2011 5:03:12 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: TomServo

In other news, I’m writing my first iOS app right now. Objective C isn’t the greatest language, but he standard libraries and the way to work data with the UI is awesome.


49 posted on 08/27/2011 5:10:21 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: FromTheSidelines

This is as old as the tech industry. Gordon Moore and Robert Noyce left Fairchild Semiconductor to found Intel. Fairchild Semiconductor itself was founded by the “Traitorous Eight” who left Shockley Semiconductor.


50 posted on 08/27/2011 5:19:54 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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