Skip to comments.Some of You Tea Party Folk Think Rick Perry’s the Answer?
Posted on 08/28/2011 10:01:59 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
If youre a Tea Party member, or you have significant sympathies with them, Id caution you against climbing aboard Rick Perrys TransTexasCatastrophe. The Media is doing everything possible to paint this guy as a bronc-busting, cattle-roping, Texan, but in truth, there are more than a few things you ought to know about him. Hes no friend to individual rights, except in an election season, and hes not really the trend-setter hed have you believe. His record on jobs isnt actually so swift as hed have you believe, and hes got less in common with the average Texan than he does with the Wall Street types with whom he prefers to consort. Hes no friend of Main Street, and hes certainly no friend to real entrepreneurs, and for all his posturing as one of us, he isnt, and its been quite plain. Those of you from outside Texas can be forgiven for mistaking Perry for a conservative. Its assumed because hes a Republican, and hes from Texas, he must be. Let me now explain a bit of why this isnt the case.
Friday I heard the increasingly estimable Mark Davis claim that you shouldnt mind that Perry converted from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party because, as he points out, Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat too. Of course, this is a lie by omission, because what Davis doesnt mention is that it was a long stretch of years between Reagans conversion and his arrival in California electoral politics. This isnt the case with Rick Perry. He was Al Gores Texas Campaign Manager in 1988, and following the loss, immediately reversed course and ran as a Republican. I dont know about you, but despite Davis rather disingenuous interpretation of Reagans conversion, painting it as just alike, Im inclined to believe he left some details out intentionally.
Rick Perry has been a regular guest on Davis show on WBAP in the D/FW area for years, and to consider Davis anything like an objective or unbiased voice in this stretches all credulity. Frankly, I hope Limbaugh finds somebody else to be a regular fill in, because Davis is clearly in the tank for Perry, and it runs against Limbaughs general premise that he will take no position in a Republican primary, except in general terms on behalf of conservatism.
You may have heard some of Perrys more recent statements about conditions along the Texas border with Mexico, and you might be inclined to believe Mr. Perry thinks more should be done. He even tried to repair his credibility on the issue by being broadcast on a live feed from a base of operations near the border for an interview on Greta Van Susterens show. If you believe that stage-managed bit of theater, Im inclined to let you know right now that hes relatively no more conservative in real terms than George Bush, which is to say on the matter of his statist, globalist reflexes, hes no conservative at all. Id hate it if anybody else broke the news to you, because I believe bad news is best delivered by a friend. Check out the following video for where Rick Perry really stands on issues of the border:
I realize theres a tendency to overstate things in the name of supporting ones position, but its really no exaggeration to suggest that Perry isnt really very close in his thinking to Tea Party Members, not when measured against what hes been saying since October 2010, but in what he has said all along throughout his career. Hes taken money and support from La Raza, ACORN, and other groups that advocate spending tax-payer dollars for dubious programs and projects.
Hes also a crony-capitalist. If youre like me, thats simply something you cant abide. I love the free market, but Governor Perrys revolving door between his staff and corporate boardrooms is a well-established phenomenon, and frankly, if you buy into his nonsense, hes going to wind up exploiting your good intentions too. Companies like Merck and Cintra are more his style, and his staff has reflected this over the years of his gubernatorial reign.
Youve undoubtedly heard about the Gardasil flap, and likely been willing to dismiss it as a fluke. That would be a serious and potentially tragic mistake. The most ridiculously egregious thing he may have done in his tenure as Governor of Texas was the proposed TransTexas Corridor. You may have heard of it, but may not have any details, so let me expound on that for a moment or two. This was the project that first enlightened me to Perrys big government answers to all things. The upshot is this: It was to be a vast network of toll roads, but more, it would have included some form of light and heavy rail, pipelines, and all manner of things. On the surface, this might sound attractive, but as with any such project, the devil lies in the details.
The plan included 4400 linear miles of a toll road network, running parallel in many cases to existing Highways and Interstates already in existence. The corridors right of way was to be a full 1/4 mile wide. Simple math tells you that even ignoring junctions and interchanges, this would have consumed 1100 square miles of Texas territory. You might argue that while its a lot of land, Texas is a big state. Thats all well and good if the state already owns the land, but since it doesnt, it was going to acquire it by use of eminent domain. Again, you might argue that building roads is one function for which eminent domain ought to apply, but once you look at the rules to be applied to this project, you might well conclude otherwise. Rather than basing their offers to property owners on free market value, they instead intended to limit it to fair market value as determined by a panel of cronies they would gin up for the chore.
This project actually proposed bisecting county and farm roads, and even property, dead-ending what are fairly important thoroughfares for the communities they serve. More, it would have bisected school districts and even towns along its path. Again, you might think that impossible until you understand that this was to be a closed system with few exits or on-ramps, only permitting access at major Highway and Interstate junctions. This threatened to destroy many rural communities, and they rose up against it. Once the details became clear to the public, it was quickly sent back for re-work, and eventually dumped.
Here were the things they didnt advertise, but you need to know. It was supposed to be operate by a concessionaire, Cintra, for a period of 50 years. It was going to employ tolls of roughly $0.26 per mile. A geographical understanding of the scale of Texas immediately prompts the question: Who on Earth would voluntarily pay to enter a closed-system roadway at that cost over the huge distances in Texas, when a free parallel alternative is just a few miles away in the form of an Interstate, or Highway? Good question, and the answer is: Almost nobody. So how did they intend to make this work? In 2004,TxDOT applied to the USDOT for a waiver so that they could charge a toll on the existing I-35. The first leg of the proposed TTC system was called TTC-35, the leg that would run from Laredo to an undetermined point on the Oklahoma border. In other words, it was a corridor to nowhere, but in order to get you to use it, they were going to toll the free Interstate and let it fall into disrepair.
Opponents at the time argued that the existing I-35 corridor could be widened, and this was met with a dismissive rejection by Perrys Transportation Commission. They said it couldnt be done in a cost-efficient way. Your confusion at this statement matches that of the average Texan who realizes that this couldnt possibly be true. How hard is it to add a few lanes here and there? Yes, youll have some eminent domain issues, but nothing on the scale of what the TTC proposed.
They also promised it would promote economic development, but what they kept concealed for a while, until they no longer could do so under the law, was that because it was a closed system, Cintra, the corporation from Spain that would build and operate it, would also have exclusive rights to all concessions along its length. More, due to the limitations on exits and on-ramps, it could never be shown how this colossal highway system would provide any sort of economic boon to anybody, because you wouldnt be able to access most smaller towns from along its length. Im sure youll agree with me that the fact that one of Perrys top staffers was a former Cintra VP, and the fact that one of his own staffers had gone on to work for Cintra had absolutely nothing to do with Perrys TTC plans. Right?
Ladies and gentlemen, if youve fallen prey to the hype about Perry, you may be forgiven, particularly if youre not from Texas. Youre not aware, as so many here, that Perry isnt the fellow hes now being portrayed to be. Hes not a friend to the Tea Party, despite his seeming 2010 conversion, because much like his conversion in 1989, this conversion also seems to be one of convenience. I will assure you, this is most definitely the case.
Perry likes to put on an act about his conservative credentials, and his sympathies with the Tea Party, but if the truth is told, hes no more one of us than the man in the Moon. You might want to let your fellow conservatives and Tea Party patriots know it too: Were being hustled again.
It's true that Perry's poll numbers are not a guarantee of winning the nomination. But Palin's poll numbers have been bad for a long time, not just this very moment. She is a good woman, and the media and its accomplices have been unfair, but the public is not always wise.
Don't put me on a pro-Perry ping list, though, unless you want someone who has serious concerns about Perry's immigration record. We need to ask tough questions about all of the candidates.
That does not sound like p-marlowe to me. When did he say you can't point to Perry's record? I didn't repeat the worst part of your post. I don't think Palin herself would approve of dishonest, abrasive posts like yours.
Some pro-Perry posters are not much better, though.
I agree. What we are doing is shooting our own troops. The Palin people hate the Perry people and the Perry People hate the Palin people. We need to focus on the enemy; statists and democrats. The MSM will do the work of smearing Perry and Palin and everyone else they see as a threat. We need to stand behind them.
And they need to focus on the Statists and Obama as well. Candidates who use MSM talking points to demean the other candidates are undermining their own interests and they will not be immune from the same tactics.
You got that right, and I think you mean that applies to FR posters as well. One poster claimed that Palin never supported the TARP. I found videos on youtube in which she did support it, but I didn't post them, because of the vile anti-Palin comments that were under the videos. And anyway, Palin was McCain's VP then, and just learning her way around.
When I saw that charge that you didn't want anyone to look into Perry's record, that didn't sound right to me, but I did look at your recent posts and found no such thing!
Too often these FR Palin-Perry debates (a "debate" can be a subset of a thread) consist of tired old talking points posted back and forth, including tired old trolling techniques, and both factions have members who do this.
She also came out in favor of granting limited amnesty to illegal aliens. But that one hasn't stopped the Palin people from denigrating Perry for holding the same position.
On the issues there is little difference between Palin and Perry. The only difference right now is that Perry is running and Palin isn't.
No. That’s class warfare tactics and I don’t buy into those.
It’s not a conservative position, imo.
We have the income we do because we worked for it. We sacrificed and continue to do so. And, we are tired of paying for those who refuse to support themselves. We made our choices, good and bad. We don’t rely on the Government (other taxpayers) to foot our bills.
I may be in the minority here and that’s ok. I don’t feel bad that I was raised the way I was and have the work ethic I do or that we are raising our kids the same way.
My family would survive any income. It’s the way I was raised and hope the way we are raising our kids.
Funny how I don’t give a damn what you think, huh? I know I’m not a big govt lib just because I can see Guiliani’s strong points. In the R field we had back in 2008, he was far better than McCain, Huckabee and Romney. IMO.
Cool rebuttal. RME.
You’re probably right.
If you think that it’s conservative to allow the financial and political industries to lawlessly loot the wealth and savings of the middle class... you’ve got a surprise coming, and its coming a lot faster than you think.
Yep...there’s more to Perry then those supporting him would have us think.......he’s a big time pay to play guy and does just that...in his state and in Mexico with Fox...not to mention Middle Easterns...He is for sale to the highest bidder....and proud of it. An “open” border will always have Perry’s active participation in keeping it that way in order to “let the good guys in” as he has stated. But that’s not what’s coming here as the Border Patrol will attest to.
Fine but your opinion on Giuliani is the opposite of Jim Robinson’s and about 98% of the posters on FR.
I note of the candidates you named he is the only pro abortion one.
Maybe that explains your position.
Trying to get me banned? Have at it. I don’t care.
I’ve never hid that I supported Guiliani during his time as NYC Mayor, especially during 9-11 and the aftermath. I never hid that I would have voted for him in the primary had he still been in the primary when it was my time to vote. He was a better choice than McCain, Romney and Huckabee, imo. I couldn’t vote for Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson, my first two choices.
“I note of the candidates you named he is the only pro abortion one.
Maybe that explains your position”
You can note/speculate all you want and you still wouldn’t have a clue on my position regarding abortion. I’m a practicing Catholic, married for close to 22 years, mother of four. Life begins at conception. No exceptions.
So you can think whatever you damn well please and you’d still probably be wrong.
If the owner of this site chooses to ban me, that’s his perogative. But your threats will never stop me from posting what I think.
If you push the abortionist Giuliani on this pro-life site, you damned well will be banned.
You obviously didn’t read my posts or I didn’t clearly explain where I stand. I am in the middle class. I know exactly what’s been happening and it isn’t a surprise at all. It has been in the making since prior to the FDR administration but clearly from that time on. The 1960’s, LBJ’s Great Society, War on Poverty, etc., brought us where we are today economically. We are paying for it in spades.
I’ve never pushed him. He’s just another politician, imo, with good and bad points.
Perhaps I have confused you with someone else or have lost track of our conversation. Your last two posts in it sound just like mine so I’m not sure why we are arguing.
I included Jim because I mentioned him in my post.
It is considered bad form not to do that.
I have never tried to get someone banned.
I find that Mr. Robinson has no trouble taking care of such things himself.
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