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Some of You Tea Party Folk Think Rick Perry’s the Answer?
C4P ^ | August 28, 2011 | Marc America

Posted on 08/28/2011 10:01:59 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan

If you’re a Tea Party member, or you have significant sympathies with them, I’d caution you against climbing aboard Rick Perry’s TransTexasCatastrophe. The Media is doing everything possible to paint this guy as a bronc-busting, cattle-roping, Texan, but in truth, there are more than a few things you ought to know about him. He’s no friend to individual rights, except in an election season, and he’s not really the trend-setter he’d have you believe. His record on jobs isn’t actually so swift as he’d have you believe, and he’s got less in common with the average Texan than he does with the Wall Street types with whom he prefers to consort. He’s no friend of Main Street, and he’s certainly no friend to real entrepreneurs, and for all his posturing as one of us, he isn’t, and it’s been quite plain. Those of you from outside Texas can be forgiven for mistaking Perry for a conservative. It’s assumed because he’s a Republican, and he’s from Texas, he must be. Let me now explain a bit of why this isn’t the case.

Friday I heard the increasingly estimable Mark Davis claim that you shouldn’t mind that Perry converted from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party because, as he points out, Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat too. Of course, this is a lie by omission, because what Davis doesn’t mention is that it was a long stretch of years between Reagan’s conversion and his arrival in California electoral politics. This isn’t the case with Rick Perry. He was Al Gore’s Texas Campaign Manager in 1988, and following the loss, immediately reversed course and ran as a Republican. I don’t know about you, but despite Davis’ rather disingenuous interpretation of Reagan’s conversion, painting it as just alike, I’m inclined to believe he left some details out intentionally.

Rick Perry has been a regular guest on Davis’ show on WBAP in the D/FW area for years, and to consider Davis anything like an objective or unbiased voice in this stretches all credulity. Frankly, I hope Limbaugh finds somebody else to be a regular fill in, because Davis is clearly in the tank for Perry, and it runs against Limbaugh’s general premise that he will take no position in a Republican primary, except in general terms on behalf of conservatism.

You may have heard some of Perry’s more recent statements about conditions along the Texas border with Mexico, and you might be inclined to believe Mr. Perry thinks more should be done. He even tried to repair his credibility on the issue by being broadcast on a live feed from a base of operations near the border for an interview on Greta Van Susteren’s show. If you believe that stage-managed bit of theater, I’m inclined to let you know right now that he’s relatively no more conservative in real terms than George Bush, which is to say on the matter of his statist, globalist reflexes, he’s no conservative at all. I’d hate it if anybody else broke the news to you, because I believe bad news is best delivered by a friend. Check out the following video for where Rick Perry really stands on issues of the border:

I realize there’s a tendency to overstate things in the name of supporting one’s position, but it’s really no exaggeration to suggest that Perry isn’t really very close in his thinking to Tea Party Members, not when measured against what he’s been saying since October 2010, but in what he has said all along throughout his career. He’s taken money and support from La Raza, ACORN, and other groups that advocate spending tax-payer dollars for dubious programs and projects.

He’s also a crony-capitalist. If you’re like me, that’s simply something you can’t abide. I love the free market, but Governor Perry’s revolving door between his staff and corporate boardrooms is a well-established phenomenon, and frankly, if you buy into his nonsense, he’s going to wind up exploiting your good intentions too. Companies like Merck and Cintra are more his style, and his staff has reflected this over the years of his gubernatorial reign.

You’ve undoubtedly heard about the Gardasil flap, and likely been willing to dismiss it as a fluke. That would be a serious and potentially tragic mistake. The most ridiculously egregious thing he may have done in his tenure as Governor of Texas was the proposed TransTexas Corridor. You may have heard of it, but may not have any details, so let me expound on that for a moment or two. This was the project that first enlightened me to Perry’s big government answers to all things. The upshot is this: It was to be a vast network of toll roads, but more, it would have included some form of light and heavy rail, pipelines, and all manner of things. On the surface, this might sound attractive, but as with any such project, the devil lies in the details.

The plan included 4400 linear miles of a toll road network, running parallel in many cases to existing Highways and Interstates already in existence. The corridor’s right of way was to be a full 1/4 mile wide. Simple math tells you that even ignoring junctions and interchanges, this would have consumed 1100 square miles of Texas’ territory. You might argue that while it’s a lot of land, Texas is a big state. That’s all well and good if the state already owns the land, but since it doesn’t, it was going to acquire it by use of eminent domain. Again, you might argue that building roads is one function for which eminent domain ought to apply, but once you look at the rules to be applied to this project, you might well conclude otherwise. Rather than basing their offers to property owners on free market value, they instead intended to limit it to “fair market value” as determined by a panel of cronies they would gin up for the chore.

This project actually proposed bisecting county and farm roads, and even property, dead-ending what are fairly important thoroughfares for the communities they serve. More, it would have bisected school districts and even towns along its path. Again, you might think that impossible until you understand that this was to be a closed system with few exits or on-ramps, only permitting access at major Highway and Interstate junctions. This threatened to destroy many rural communities, and they rose up against it. Once the details became clear to the public, it was quickly sent back for re-work, and eventually dumped.

Here were the things they didn’t advertise, but you need to know. It was supposed to be operate by a concessionaire, Cintra, for a period of 50 years. It was going to employ tolls of roughly $0.26 per mile. A geographical understanding of the scale of Texas immediately prompts the question: “Who on Earth would voluntarily pay to enter a closed-system roadway at that cost over the huge distances in Texas, when a free parallel alternative is just a few miles away in the form of an Interstate, or Highway?” Good question, and the answer is: Almost nobody. So how did they intend to make this work? In 2004,TxDOT applied to the USDOT for a waiver so that they could charge a toll on the existing I-35. The first leg of the proposed TTC system was called TTC-35, the leg that would run from Laredo to an undetermined point on the Oklahoma border. In other words, it was a corridor to nowhere, but in order to get you to use it, they were going to toll the free Interstate and let it fall into disrepair.

Opponents at the time argued that the existing I-35 corridor could be widened, and this was met with a dismissive rejection by Perry’s Transportation Commission. They said it couldn’t be done in a cost-efficient way. Your confusion at this statement matches that of the average Texan who realizes that this couldn’t possibly be true. How hard is it to add a few lanes here and there? Yes, you’ll have some eminent domain issues, but nothing on the scale of what the TTC proposed.

They also promised it would promote economic development, but what they kept concealed for a while, until they no longer could do so under the law, was that because it was a closed system, Cintra, the corporation from Spain that would build and operate it, would also have exclusive rights to all concessions along its length. More, due to the limitations on exits and on-ramps, it could never be shown how this colossal highway system would provide any sort of economic boon to anybody, because you wouldn’t be able to access most smaller towns from along its length. I’m sure you’ll agree with me that the fact that one of Perry’s top staffers was a former Cintra VP, and the fact that one of his own staffers had gone on to work for Cintra had absolutely nothing to do with Perry’s TTC plans. Right?

Ladies and gentlemen, if you’ve fallen prey to the hype about Perry, you may be forgiven, particularly if you’re not from Texas. You’re not aware, as so many here, that Perry isn’t the fellow he’s now being portrayed to be. He’s not a friend to the Tea Party, despite his seeming 2010 conversion, because much like his conversion in 1989, this conversion also seems to be one of convenience. I will assure you, this is most definitely the case.

Perry likes to put on an act about his conservative credentials, and his sympathies with the Tea Party, but if the truth is told, he’s no more one of us than the man in the Moon. You might want to let your fellow conservatives and Tea Party patriots know it too: We’re being hustled again.

Looks tough shooting blanks



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1 posted on 08/28/2011 10:02:03 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan

It will take more than the Tea Party to beat 0bama. That is the bottom line.


2 posted on 08/28/2011 10:04:02 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: shield

For the ping list


3 posted on 08/28/2011 10:05:12 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: The Bronze Titan

No thank you.


4 posted on 08/28/2011 10:05:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin)
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To: The Bronze Titan

I’m probably more conservative than Perry. I’m not so sure how well I’d handle the Presidency.


5 posted on 08/28/2011 10:06:39 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Let me guess. Romney or Paul is who you are shucking for.


6 posted on 08/28/2011 10:07:17 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper
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To: The Bronze Titan
HERE IT GOES AGAIN.....just like last time....we get constant attacks against OUR own people by OUR own people....

just STOP it.....

its critical to defeat bama and we'll take a decent person with flaws over that communist anyday of the week....

so if its Mitt....if its Perry...if its Rudy....if its Sarah....then we MUST be there for them...

7 posted on 08/28/2011 10:07:51 AM PDT by cherry
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To: big'ol_freeper

Nope, check the link to the article. Conservatives 4 Palin.


8 posted on 08/28/2011 10:08:47 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: The Bronze Titan

If you’re Tea Party you can smell the stink of Perry’s charade eleven hundred miles away.

If you can’t smell it, you’re something else - SoCon, NeoCon, party loyalist, willing dupe, short bus rider, what have you - the phrase Tea Party does not apply to you.


9 posted on 08/28/2011 10:09:06 AM PDT by icanhasbailout (Theoretical Ideal Candidate for President 2012)
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To: The Bronze Titan
I don't think those are Tea Party folks they're perhaps the Tea toddlers?
10 posted on 08/28/2011 10:09:52 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: The Bronze Titan

The TpCaucus groups support Michele Bachmann NOT Rick Perry...

Perry throws bones at TP members but they are not Dogs they are Cats..
RINOs LUV the bones..


11 posted on 08/28/2011 10:10:22 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Gee, the Palinistas must be more worried about Perry getting momentum than I thought.


12 posted on 08/28/2011 10:10:27 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: CajunConservative
Nope, check the link to the article. Conservatives 4 Palin.

I don't think Palin would approve of this article. In fact, if Palin doesn't run, she will likely back Perry.

13 posted on 08/28/2011 10:10:55 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: cherry

Agreed. However, the purists don’t understand basic math it seems. We need more votes than the other side in order to win in the general election.


14 posted on 08/28/2011 10:11:04 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: grey_whiskers

Fyi; just devastating.


15 posted on 08/28/2011 10:11:39 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: P-Marlowe

I agree. Until she is actually in the race these beat downs of Perry by her rabid supporters aren’t going to accomplish much.


16 posted on 08/28/2011 10:12:37 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: The Bronze Titan

After watching that video, listening to Perry in his own words, and seeing the way Bush behaved while in office, I am now convinced more than ever that anyone coming out of the Texas political establishment is highly compromised in their immigration philosophy based on their intimate business border relationship with Mexico.

Consequently, they should not be trusted to do what is right for all Americans when it comes to seeking the highest office in the land.


17 posted on 08/28/2011 10:12:53 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: cherry

The problem with being on this side of the political spectrum is ‘resource allocation’. We consist of the ‘producer/achiever’ class. Time and money are valuable assets to us. We can ill afford to waste both trying to keep politicians in line if this nation wants economic growth.


18 posted on 08/28/2011 10:13:23 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: cherry

Oh no, Cherry. If Jesus Christ Himself ran for the GOP nomination he wouldn’t be pure enough for some of these people.

I mean, he actually liked poor people!

And have you noticed, none of them want to say who they really support? They can’t say Palin because she’s not in the race and if they admit they’re for Paul they’ll get laughed at. It’s all very....convenient.


19 posted on 08/28/2011 10:13:39 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: icanhasbailout
If you can’t smell it, you’re something else - SoCon, NeoCon, party loyalist, willing dupe, short bus rider, what have you - the phrase Tea Party does not apply to you.

Then how do you explain the fact that more self-identified Tea Party members prefer Perry over Bachmann, Cain or anyone else in the race? Are they not really Tea Party members unless YOU deem to be "true" tea party members? What ever gave YOU the ability to read people's minds and determine if they are conservative enough? Or are you just a legend in your own mind?

20 posted on 08/28/2011 10:14:03 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Probably Palin.


21 posted on 08/28/2011 10:15:06 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: The Bronze Titan
You're not allowed to tell the truth about CFR Ric.

You can lie about Sarah Palin all you want, but don't you dare say anything bad about him.

22 posted on 08/28/2011 10:15:36 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Is it me, or does Jimmy Rick actually look a little like GWB in some of these pics?


23 posted on 08/28/2011 10:17:16 AM PDT by rintense (ABO can KMA.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

To all Perry supporters,

I’ve been hearing a lot of whining in response to some legitimate criticisms of Perry’s record over the past couple days. This is called the vetting process, folks! However, in this instance, the conservative media isn’t doing their job! Consequently, some of us are doing it for them.


24 posted on 08/28/2011 10:18:53 AM PDT by Right Wingnut 2
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To: hosepipe
The TpCaucus groups support Michele Bachmann NOT Rick Perry...

Really? Perhaps you missed this article: Gallup: Tea Party supporters like Perry

"A new poll from Gallup shows that the Texas governor has 35 percent support among Republicans who identify themselves members of the Tea Party movement.

The same poll shows Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney tied with 14 percent support among the same group of voters."

25 posted on 08/28/2011 10:18:59 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: cripplecreek

ditto.


26 posted on 08/28/2011 10:19:35 AM PDT by rintense (ABO can KMA.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Good article.. After reading a bit in Perry I see him as Bush lite on immigration issues and trying to appeal to the religious right....


27 posted on 08/28/2011 10:19:59 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: CajunConservative

Right now I am a Perry supporter. If Palin jumps in, that will change. But articles like this from a Palin support site are destructive and not constructive. They accomplish nothing good.


28 posted on 08/28/2011 10:20:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: The Bronze Titan

Here is Perry’s REAL views on the border:

“Governing Principle
There can be no homeland security without border security, and there can be no higher priority than protecting our citizens.

While our focus begins with preventing the worst of the violence currently raging in northern Mexico from spilling over into the United States, the violence is only part of the destruction that can result from a porous border. The free flow of drugs, weapons and people resulting from inadequate security can undercut economic development, education and trade. As such, they can hurt Texas families in every way imaginable, from loss of jobs to the loss of family members to addiction, imprisonment or death.

Border security is a federal responsibility but a Texas problem, and Texas has invested hundreds of millions of state dollars in efforts to support and supplement security forces already in place. Still, this is a problem that will only be solved with more federal accountability and involvement.”

Maybe if the rest of the states had the guts to bill the Zero Admin for the cost States carry to feed, cloth, imprison and provide med care. We would see some fed action on the problem. Like bringing our troops home from overseas and putting them on the border.


29 posted on 08/28/2011 10:20:32 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Because some may not fall in line behind the big (R) and support Perry, they’re automatically a Romneybot or Paulbot? Wow. Next thing you know, anyone who doesn’t support Perry will be called a DU liberal. Oh wait...


30 posted on 08/28/2011 10:20:55 AM PDT by rintense (ABO can KMA.)
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To: CajunConservative
STOP IT! STOP IT! JUST, STOP IT! .........We don't to want know ANYTHING BAD about Perry!!!


31 posted on 08/28/2011 10:20:59 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan

I do not know if Perry is “The Answer?” However, he is a d*amn sight more interesting than the other candidates.


32 posted on 08/28/2011 10:21:16 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: CA Conservative

Doncha know, those aren’t real Tea Party voters.


33 posted on 08/28/2011 10:22:52 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: CA Conservative

They hate Perry but have no problem with Sarah endorsing the head RINO McCain. If they were as Tea Party as they claim. Sarah would have been voted off the island long ago.

Typical neophyte voters.


34 posted on 08/28/2011 10:24:06 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: icanhasbailout

“If you can’t smell it, you’re something else - SoCon, NeoCon, party loyalist, willing dupe, short bus rider, what have you - the phrase Tea Party does not apply to you.”

Spoken like the new elite.


35 posted on 08/28/2011 10:24:30 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: icanhasbailout

Luckily, most of us here do not rely on newbs like you
to define who is and who is not a tea partier.


36 posted on 08/28/2011 10:25:32 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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To: The Bronze Titan

The Republican establishment felt that they didn’t go far left enough with Juan McCain. So this time they sent in MechaMcCain AKA Rick Perry.


37 posted on 08/28/2011 10:25:39 AM PDT by Tempest (Google: Rick perry bi-national healthcare)
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To: The Bronze Titan
It all comes down to "who do we have who is more conservative, a declared candidate, and also has good numbers?"

Right now, Perry is the best we've got. The ones with decent numbers are not as conservative, and the ones who are more conservative do not have good numbers.

38 posted on 08/28/2011 10:25:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: CA Conservative

Perry has no Tea Party chapter endorsements! Not even from his own Texas backyard. Hummmmm, I wonder why???


39 posted on 08/28/2011 10:26:25 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: P-Marlowe
You are right I don't think Sarah Palin would approve of this either..She is a wonderful woman and a loyal friend of all of America..And she is a friend of Rick Perry..Myself I think that Sarah and Rick will be a team and i think that is what they talk about when she visits our great state..

To All

It is time to stop calling one another names that is exactly how the filthy Muslim got into the white house..When I come across threads like this I usually pass them up since all they do is pit conservative against Conservative..Remember that is what the Devil does he is a liar and a thief.. I will not vote for any other candidate besides Palin or Perry or hopefully both..I think they are the only two that can beat the Muslim.. I was at another thread this morning where some were trashing another great poster and it was so sick it made me want to throw up..I did not post on it I think Sarah Palin would not like that at all..

40 posted on 08/28/2011 10:27:25 AM PDT by PLD
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To: The Bronze Titan

Hey, I know he’s far from perfect. There was only one perfect person. RP ain’t Jesus by a long shot.

I do know that he is a good and effective governor with a long and proven record. When the 0bamanation is finished it is going to require someone with vast EXPERIENCE in governing to pick up the pieces of a broken nation. Nobody else running or not running can match that experience PERIOD.

1/2 termers aren’t going to cut it. Polarizing people aren’t going to be effective either. Some of us see the bigger picture of what will need to be done. It’s going to take a lot more than ideology to clean up the crap 0bama and his minions leave us. Your favorite can’t beat 0bama in the general election therefore, I’m NOT going to waste my vote in the primaries. My goal is to kick that turd out of the WH.


41 posted on 08/28/2011 10:29:37 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: rintense
-"Is it me, or does Jimmy Rick actually look a little like GWB in some of these pics?"

No! It's not you.


42 posted on 08/28/2011 10:29:58 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: The Bronze Titan

interesting...


43 posted on 08/28/2011 10:30:14 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: The Bronze Titan

When your candidat, Palin does not run and she endorses Perry what will you do then? Because its very likely that Palin will endorse Perry.


44 posted on 08/28/2011 10:30:24 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: CajunConservative
I agree. Until she is actually in the race these beat downs of Perry by her rabid supporters aren’t going to accomplish much.

Do you know what bugs me about you "rabid" Perry supporters? You have no curiosity or desire to thoroughly vet Perry to find out IF there are things about him we should know. Palin has been through that fire. You Perry folks are trying to do the same thing Obama's supporters did, cover up and hope to slip through without a proper vetting. I just finished reading the book; Reckless Endangerment: How Outsized Ambition, Greed, and Corruption Led to Economic Armageddon. I want to know what connections, what favors were exchanged and how it affected the marketplace. The last thing we need for president is another dirty politician. If Perry is clean, I want to see it proven, not assumed.

45 posted on 08/28/2011 10:30:41 AM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: CA Conservative
"Gee, the Palinistas must be more worried about Perry getting momentum than I thought."


They should be given the results to a recent e-mail just sent out by Tea Party Nation:

"Tea Party Nation is a user-driven
 group of like-minded people who desire our God-given individual
 freedoms written out by the Founding Fathers. We believe in Limited 
Government, Free Speech, the 2nd Amendment, our Military, Secure 
Borders and our Country.

Should Sarah Palin run for the Republican Nomination?

No 57.04% (494 votes)

Yes 42.96% (372 votes)

Total Votes: 866"
http://www.teapartynatio..._source=msg_mes_network

This is the group that paid her a hefty fee to speak at a National Convention they held last year. Of the Tea Party groups, this is the one I would have expected to be the most "pro-Palin". Just about al of those who commented on a separate thread liked her, but most did not want to see her run. Several compared her role to a cheerleader. The question was mailed out to people on their list (Tea Party supporters). Such results do not bode well for her should she decide to enter the race.

Here is one response:

"Excellent cheerleader,, great for the cause and the movement. But being down two touchdownd late inthe fourth quarter,, the coach doesn't runa cheerleader into the huddle. Much less in the QB position."
46 posted on 08/28/2011 10:30:41 AM PDT by rob777
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To: The Bronze Titan

When your candidate, Palin does not run and she endorses Perry what will you do then? Because its very likely that Palin will endorse Perry.


47 posted on 08/28/2011 10:30:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: The Bronze Titan; All

Since you’re a Palin supporter .. why not spend your time supporting her instead of running other people down.

Frankly .. if Palin doesn’t run, I’d rather have Perry than any of the rest of the field.

And .. I’d choose John Bolton (former weapons guy at the State Dept, and Ambassador to the UN) as VP. This guy has an ear to the ground in foreign affairs. And .. he knows how to deal with the snakes at the UN - if I remember correctly .. the UN hated Bolton .. that’s a really good recommendation in my book. He sure would be an asset to either Palin or Perry.


48 posted on 08/28/2011 10:31:52 AM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: PLD

Some Palin supporters have shown themselves to be far more vitriolic than Palin herself has ever been. Had she behaved like them I would never consider voting for her, and I expect that their vile attitude will in fact dissuade some from doing so as a form of payback.


49 posted on 08/28/2011 10:32:11 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: The Bronze Titan
Why did ACORN support the 2005 legislation? Why was the ability to refinance a Contract for Deed to a Deed of Trust important for homeowners and gave them greater control over their own property?

Whenever anyone parrots the Acorn-Perry BS talking point, or continually asserts the lies about the scope of Texas debt, I know they are full of CRAP and a NON-TEXAN.

Bet you can't answer these questions, because you don't know SH&T about Texas.

But go ahead, keep spewing your lies.

50 posted on 08/28/2011 10:32:11 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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