Skip to comments.Some of You Tea Party Folk Think Rick Perry’s the Answer?
Posted on 08/28/2011 10:01:59 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
If youre a Tea Party member, or you have significant sympathies with them, Id caution you against climbing aboard Rick Perrys TransTexasCatastrophe. The Media is doing everything possible to paint this guy as a bronc-busting, cattle-roping, Texan, but in truth, there are more than a few things you ought to know about him. Hes no friend to individual rights, except in an election season, and hes not really the trend-setter hed have you believe. His record on jobs isnt actually so swift as hed have you believe, and hes got less in common with the average Texan than he does with the Wall Street types with whom he prefers to consort. Hes no friend of Main Street, and hes certainly no friend to real entrepreneurs, and for all his posturing as one of us, he isnt, and its been quite plain. Those of you from outside Texas can be forgiven for mistaking Perry for a conservative. Its assumed because hes a Republican, and hes from Texas, he must be. Let me now explain a bit of why this isnt the case.
Friday I heard the increasingly estimable Mark Davis claim that you shouldnt mind that Perry converted from the Democrat Party to the Republican Party because, as he points out, Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat too. Of course, this is a lie by omission, because what Davis doesnt mention is that it was a long stretch of years between Reagans conversion and his arrival in California electoral politics. This isnt the case with Rick Perry. He was Al Gores Texas Campaign Manager in 1988, and following the loss, immediately reversed course and ran as a Republican. I dont know about you, but despite Davis rather disingenuous interpretation of Reagans conversion, painting it as just alike, Im inclined to believe he left some details out intentionally.
Rick Perry has been a regular guest on Davis show on WBAP in the D/FW area for years, and to consider Davis anything like an objective or unbiased voice in this stretches all credulity. Frankly, I hope Limbaugh finds somebody else to be a regular fill in, because Davis is clearly in the tank for Perry, and it runs against Limbaughs general premise that he will take no position in a Republican primary, except in general terms on behalf of conservatism.
You may have heard some of Perrys more recent statements about conditions along the Texas border with Mexico, and you might be inclined to believe Mr. Perry thinks more should be done. He even tried to repair his credibility on the issue by being broadcast on a live feed from a base of operations near the border for an interview on Greta Van Susterens show. If you believe that stage-managed bit of theater, Im inclined to let you know right now that hes relatively no more conservative in real terms than George Bush, which is to say on the matter of his statist, globalist reflexes, hes no conservative at all. Id hate it if anybody else broke the news to you, because I believe bad news is best delivered by a friend. Check out the following video for where Rick Perry really stands on issues of the border:
I realize theres a tendency to overstate things in the name of supporting ones position, but its really no exaggeration to suggest that Perry isnt really very close in his thinking to Tea Party Members, not when measured against what hes been saying since October 2010, but in what he has said all along throughout his career. Hes taken money and support from La Raza, ACORN, and other groups that advocate spending tax-payer dollars for dubious programs and projects.
Hes also a crony-capitalist. If youre like me, thats simply something you cant abide. I love the free market, but Governor Perrys revolving door between his staff and corporate boardrooms is a well-established phenomenon, and frankly, if you buy into his nonsense, hes going to wind up exploiting your good intentions too. Companies like Merck and Cintra are more his style, and his staff has reflected this over the years of his gubernatorial reign.
Youve undoubtedly heard about the Gardasil flap, and likely been willing to dismiss it as a fluke. That would be a serious and potentially tragic mistake. The most ridiculously egregious thing he may have done in his tenure as Governor of Texas was the proposed TransTexas Corridor. You may have heard of it, but may not have any details, so let me expound on that for a moment or two. This was the project that first enlightened me to Perrys big government answers to all things. The upshot is this: It was to be a vast network of toll roads, but more, it would have included some form of light and heavy rail, pipelines, and all manner of things. On the surface, this might sound attractive, but as with any such project, the devil lies in the details.
The plan included 4400 linear miles of a toll road network, running parallel in many cases to existing Highways and Interstates already in existence. The corridors right of way was to be a full 1/4 mile wide. Simple math tells you that even ignoring junctions and interchanges, this would have consumed 1100 square miles of Texas territory. You might argue that while its a lot of land, Texas is a big state. Thats all well and good if the state already owns the land, but since it doesnt, it was going to acquire it by use of eminent domain. Again, you might argue that building roads is one function for which eminent domain ought to apply, but once you look at the rules to be applied to this project, you might well conclude otherwise. Rather than basing their offers to property owners on free market value, they instead intended to limit it to fair market value as determined by a panel of cronies they would gin up for the chore.
This project actually proposed bisecting county and farm roads, and even property, dead-ending what are fairly important thoroughfares for the communities they serve. More, it would have bisected school districts and even towns along its path. Again, you might think that impossible until you understand that this was to be a closed system with few exits or on-ramps, only permitting access at major Highway and Interstate junctions. This threatened to destroy many rural communities, and they rose up against it. Once the details became clear to the public, it was quickly sent back for re-work, and eventually dumped.
Here were the things they didnt advertise, but you need to know. It was supposed to be operate by a concessionaire, Cintra, for a period of 50 years. It was going to employ tolls of roughly $0.26 per mile. A geographical understanding of the scale of Texas immediately prompts the question: Who on Earth would voluntarily pay to enter a closed-system roadway at that cost over the huge distances in Texas, when a free parallel alternative is just a few miles away in the form of an Interstate, or Highway? Good question, and the answer is: Almost nobody. So how did they intend to make this work? In 2004,TxDOT applied to the USDOT for a waiver so that they could charge a toll on the existing I-35. The first leg of the proposed TTC system was called TTC-35, the leg that would run from Laredo to an undetermined point on the Oklahoma border. In other words, it was a corridor to nowhere, but in order to get you to use it, they were going to toll the free Interstate and let it fall into disrepair.
Opponents at the time argued that the existing I-35 corridor could be widened, and this was met with a dismissive rejection by Perrys Transportation Commission. They said it couldnt be done in a cost-efficient way. Your confusion at this statement matches that of the average Texan who realizes that this couldnt possibly be true. How hard is it to add a few lanes here and there? Yes, youll have some eminent domain issues, but nothing on the scale of what the TTC proposed.
They also promised it would promote economic development, but what they kept concealed for a while, until they no longer could do so under the law, was that because it was a closed system, Cintra, the corporation from Spain that would build and operate it, would also have exclusive rights to all concessions along its length. More, due to the limitations on exits and on-ramps, it could never be shown how this colossal highway system would provide any sort of economic boon to anybody, because you wouldnt be able to access most smaller towns from along its length. Im sure youll agree with me that the fact that one of Perrys top staffers was a former Cintra VP, and the fact that one of his own staffers had gone on to work for Cintra had absolutely nothing to do with Perrys TTC plans. Right?
Ladies and gentlemen, if youve fallen prey to the hype about Perry, you may be forgiven, particularly if youre not from Texas. Youre not aware, as so many here, that Perry isnt the fellow hes now being portrayed to be. Hes not a friend to the Tea Party, despite his seeming 2010 conversion, because much like his conversion in 1989, this conversion also seems to be one of convenience. I will assure you, this is most definitely the case.
Perry likes to put on an act about his conservative credentials, and his sympathies with the Tea Party, but if the truth is told, hes no more one of us than the man in the Moon. You might want to let your fellow conservatives and Tea Party patriots know it too: Were being hustled again.
Went was the last time Rick had a real job. He just reminds me of a typical career, professional politician.
Thank You! It really doesn't take much to go out a research a candidate and their "positions", to see if they are really philosophically grounded in what they believe in, or just more of the same "tell me what you want to hear, and I can tell you what you want to hear" philosophy. A candidate who has a 'trend' or 'track-record' of this type of "tell me what you want to hear" philosophy, automatically (despite what they may say) becomes very suspect and not trustworthy when important decisions need to be made.
“When your candidat, Palin does not run and she endorses Perry what will you do then? Because its very likely that Palin will endorse Perry.”
Why, start bashing her as a RINO-lover...NOT. Probably some serious re-trenching and loads of excuses, though.
I haven't declared my support for any candidate yet, but I do know this - WHOEVER ends up being the one that runs against Obama - I WILL VOTE FOR HIM/HER. This should be our top priority!
It's fine to point out the pros and cons of each candidate, but NONE of them are perfect - right now, at this time in history - the declared candidates that can beat Barack Hussein Obama should be getting encouragement - not the circular firing squad treatment.
I've read in other threads that this is "Palin Territory" - she is not even a candidate yet! Without exception, when I read a thread attacking Perry or Bachmann - it is initiated by a Palin supporter. I haven't heard Gov. Palin spread this kind of slime herself, and I think it reflects badly on her to see her supporters do it. I can go to DU if I want to see Republican candidates get trashed.
Thank you for letting us know these things. I suppose I’ll just vote Obama
They hate Perry but have no problem with Sarah endorsing the head RINO McCain.Typical hypocrite
Typical neophyte voters.
You assume we don’t know anything about him. I assure you that isn’t the case. I keep up with Texas politics since I live near the border and do business there.
Louisiana suffers brain drain because the college graduates move to Texas for better jobs. People from all over are moving to Texas because it’s the one place that is consistently open for employment.
That's why Sarah Palin will run!
You and your ilk are an embarrassment to Palin.
The Tea Party consists of patriotic and God loving Americans who see the dangers the Left have brought down upon us, and want to stand up for what is right for America.
The strength of America has always been her people! We stuck ttogether and it took ALL of us to win WWII. Only the God fearing people in what is termed The Tea Party can beat Obama!
Satan loves a naysayer. He draws his power from the do nothings.
God bless our Constitution! It, like God, does not change! It is the same now as it was the day it was written! The commandments of the Bible do not change. They are as true today as the day Moses brougt[ht the tablets down from the mountain!
Satan deals in doubts. There is right and there is wrong and they are NOT situtational! Be sure yu are on the right side, and together we will know victory in 2012!
Don't be surprised if Jim Rob fumigates the joint in the next couple of weeks. Sorta like the great Rudy purge of 2008.
What the hell are you talking about? I’m not a naysayer. I’m a realist who understands that it will take more than just the Tea Party affiliated people to defeat 0bama. It’s simple math.
One more thing, we aren’t a theocracy here. We need to keep the atheists/agnostics/nonbelievers/believers of other faiths who are also conservatives on our team.
Obviously you don't follow SP much, or know much about her to be arriving at such a conclusion. That's ok, there's still time for you and many others to vote your true conscience.
“It will take more than the teaparty to beat Obama.”
I believe that 100%. I know Democrats that are almost begging us (Repubs) to nominate someone that they can vote for. They cannot vote for Perry, Palin or Bachmann. They have issues with them, and while I am not sympathetic to them, I can understand that unless we want Obama 2.0, we need to heed and consider the dire consequences.
I asked one of these people that I site, “are you at the place of voting for ANYBODY BUT OBAMA? and they looked shocked, saying NO! Read and heed.
That is to say that no one should take a Republican candidate as he or she appears, but we must thoroughly vet each candidate before we chose who will run against this sleight of hand administration. We certainly do not need a repeat performance featuring a new face!
Palin commandment when one of your troops is being attacked from all sides and all one gets is silence. Then Reagan’s commandment does not apply. Bad behavior is not rewarded.
I think we should be more worried about defeating Obama and less worried about fighting among ourselves.
Seventeen things critics are saying about Rick Perry (and the truth)....http://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/rick-perrys-negatives/
This puts Perrys record, which is very positive, in perspective. It also talks about the relative strength of the Texas governorship.
If only I was paid. ;)
“WHOEVER ends up being the one that runs against Obama - I WILL VOTE FOR HIM/HER”
Perry was compared to Jesus in this thread. If someone dug up Hitler and he won the nod, would you vote for him?
Perry stands for everything this site stands for. Pro-Family, Pro-guns, Pro-Life, Pro-Constitution. If Jim Rob purges the place of Perry supporters like me, then there will be few if any Freepers left.
A lot of Palin supporters are becoming the equivalent of Ron Paul supporters. I think Palin would be embarrassed by some the antics of the Palin supporters on this forum. I support Palin and if she runs in the Primary, she will get my vote. But right now Perry is running and she isn't. Right now, if nobody else jumps in that is better, Perry has my full support.
It is time you read “TheLight and the Gloroy”,
Cajun. Like it or not, God loves you.
I’m holding out for Obama. None of ours are good enough.
I am mainly talking about the R’s and conservative leaning moderates. I don’t trust the Dems to deliver on election day. They just tend to vote for the D if push comes to shove.
I want the most conservative electable candidate possible.
Tea Party has the name it has because it is fundamentally an anti-tax movement. That's why tea bags were used in the initial protest, as a hark back to the Boston Tea Party - an anti-tax protest. That's why the first big rallies were on tax day, April 15th. That's why TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already".
Notice what's not there. No social issues whatsoever.
Now, the name can be stolen and misappropriated until there is a great mass of people falsely labeling themselves as such, but the bottom line is that the sentiment that motivates the Tea Party (pre-co-opted version) cannot be harnessed by culture warriors of any stripe.
So to answer your question, what gave me the ability to tell one from the other? The fact that I have been involved in this since Santelli had his famous rant on TV that encouraged everyone to send in tea bags to their congresscritters, an event that Perry supporters probably aren't even aware of.
No, I assume you don't know everything about him. Having a strong economy and a good business environment doesn't disprove shenanigans behind closed doors.
Compare to Clinton, he had a good economy and business environment but was everything above board? No. What we didn't know were the under the table relationships between government and the private sector.
Remember Enron? Perry better get everything out on the table NOW because if you people win and he becomes the nominee, the sh*t will hit the fan when the opposition party and media dig into him.
The best way to lose to Obama is to try and sell a flawed candidate to the American people.
It’s usually Palin supporters.
Sheesh, is the plan to post this article every 12 hours for the next week?
I’m a Christian. I’ve even served in missions. We still aren’t a theocracy and should not go out of our way to alienate solid conservatives who aren’t Christian, especially during this critical election.
Yep. The MESSIAH PERRY is the ONLY ONE RUNNING against Obama! Oooppps, gee I forgot! Did you know that Santorum is still running? There's a gal too that's running. And, uhhh, some other folks, but, I guess PERRY is the 'THE ONE' and 'ONLY'.
Bump screw the establishment.
You wouldn't think a blogger posting on Conservatives4Palin's website would call their own candidate a liar. So it's amazing that this blogger thinks it's OK to blame us for believing Sarah Palin's own words about how conservative Perry was as the 2-term governor of Texas running for his 3rd term.
Reading this blogger, you'd think Perry governed texas as a liberal two-timing slug, not the champion of the tea party, or the standard-bearer of good conservative principles like Sarah Palin said he was.
So, even though this blogger appears to be a Palin fan, I am going to choose to believe Sarah Palin, and not some blogger.
Perry walks the walk..He’s got my vote. I want a PROVEN Pro-Life Candidate. anyone that picks a fence sitter or talker can not call themselves pro-life. I believe all our problems started when we accepted the killing of the most innocent in our Society. all bets were off after that.
Perry is pro-life and opposes government funding for elective abortions. In 2003, Perry signed the Prenatal Protection Act, which explicitly included fetuses in its definition of human life.
In 2005, Perry, a social conservative, signed a bill that limited late-term abortions and required girls under the age of 18 who procure abortions to notify their parents. Perry signed the bill in the gymnasium of Calvary Christian Academy in Fort Worth, an evangelical Christian school. In 2005, Gov. Perry signed a parental consent bill into law. Perry has signed legislation prohibiting abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy, and has also signed into law a bill that required abortion providers to offer informational brochures to women considering abortion.
In May 2011, Perry signed a “Mandatory Ultrasound Bill” which stipulates that, prior to every abortion, the abortion practitioner or a certified sonographer must perform a sonogram before any sedative or anesthesia is administered. Before every abortion, the abortion practitioner must give an explanation of the sonogram images of the unborn child. The woman has the right to waive the explanation only in cases of rape, incest, fetal abnormality, and judicial bypass for a minor. The abortion practitioner must also allow the woman to see the sonogram images of the unborn child and hear the heartbeat along with a verbal explanation of the heartbeat before an abortion can be administered. Critics stated that the law was “government intrusion”, pointing out that in the first trimester, only the intrusive transvaginal sonograms (in which a probe is inserted up the woman’s vagina) may be performed, and stated that such a procedure would be inappropriate for victims of incest or rape, which the law does not exempt.
Also in 2011, Perry signed a bill that prohibited taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, along with a bill that created a Choose Life license plate to promote infant adoption in Texas.
I wonder if this blogger had the same complaint when Laura Ingraham let the pro-choice, pro-gays-in-the-military Tammy Bruce substitute on her show. Probably not, because Tammy Bruce is in the tank for Sarah Palin.
Are you comparing ANY of the Republican candidates to Hitler??? If America gets to the point that those who oppose Obama dig up Hitler to run against him - then I'm out of here!
OK, would you vote for Giuliani?
I respect purity too but surviving to seek purity means Rick Perry for 2012, because he can boot Romney and Obama. The evidence is everywhere. I believe the reality on the ground is that purity will not be attained in one election, but a slog by which the ending will be determined by the next generation. November, 2010 was the beginning of the beginning. Electing Perry over Romney and Obama is one more foot print toward a fiscal and emotional recovery from the Obama kill course. Congress must first stop and reverse this Marxist course as well as what is now institutionalized socialism.
“If youre Tea Party you can smell the stink of Perrys charade eleven hundred miles away.”
My Tea Party signs are in the garage (where I keep them for re-use).
So far, I like Perry....and YES, I have done some research on his actions.
Suggestion: If you are going to calmly talk policy differences, that’s one thing....but to use only ad hominem is usually a liberal tactic. Please avoid it. Even though you are a NEWBIE, you should know this.
Probably because it is retarded for tea party “chapters” to endorse political figures. It takes the tea party movement and makes it a lobbying group, which will destroy its influence. So the only “chapters” endorsing people are publicity whores trying to capitalize on the movement in order to further their own aspirations.
No one speaks for the tea party, and that is how the tea party will be most effective.
You can’t compare Arkansas economy in the early 90’s to the current Texas economy.
You didn’t keep up with the last gubernatorial election did you?
DO you really think Palin has a chance after the DNC destroyed her in Alaska? It’s not going to happen. It was posted up thread that more than half of the Tea Party Nation doesn’t think she’s qualified for the position.
“From my point of view, anyone claiming the title “tea partier” who is not in agreement with what I have said is the noob.”
You REALLY do sound like a liberal. Lol...
Tea Party has the name it has because it is fundamentally an anti-tax movement.
You are wrong.
ad hominem is usually a liberal tactic.
you are a NEWBIE
Please tell me you can see the irony here.
Keep up the good work Titan, exposing slick Rick’s record is a good thing, and I’m glad we have people to vet the candidates.
You are mighty quick on the draw for a Christiawn. I did not say you were a naysayer. I said absolutely NOTHING about you. I was talking about the Tea Party generally, and the evil we are up against today. I did not in any way say that this is a theocracy! I am an educated spiirit filled Christian woman with some years on her. Again, please read “The Light and the Glory” by Peter Marshall and David Emanuel. The best, most well documented, and beautifully written book on early American history I have ever read. It’s time we got back to those days!
Well, for the purposes of debate (I don't think Giuliani has a chance to be the nominee this time around) - but to answer your hypothetical question - YES!!! If it came down to Giuliani or Obama - damn right I would vote for Giuliani!
Right now, America's house is ON FIRE! We have got to put the fire out, or we will be homeless.
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