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Halloween Muslim style: To Treat of not to Trick
Altmuslimah (exploring both sides of the Muslim gender divide) ^ | 21 Sep | Ahmed

Posted on 09/22/2011 6:49:00 AM PDT by flowerplough

...Growing up in the late seventies and early eighties, Halloween was a big deal in my life. For weeks before October 31 my friends and I plotted the best neighborhood routes to maximize candy retrieval. We traded information in a “you tell me yours then I’ll tell you mine” manner to extract the locations of generous homes that doled out full size candy bars and stingy ones that gave out cheap toffees that tasted like expired cough drops. There were lengthy discussions as to which costumes to wear. As a child of the seventies, I have donned a long white nightgown and twisted my hair into two tight buns on the sides of my head a la Princess Leia, but my go-to costume was a gypsy. Simple and classic. Plus I had an excuse to wear every bit of jewelry I owned, as well as raid my mother’s jewelry box and “borrow” pieces from my sister when she was off putting on her own costume. Good times.

I had wanted these same good times for my children. Growing up in the West there are so few holiday traditions that Muslim kids share with their classmates. They do not participate in the, “Whatcha get from Santa?” discussions or “What did the Easter Bunny bring you?” conversations. After Halloween, though, I remember being in the thick of the candy bartering sessions, and I wanted my children to enjoy the same sense of belonging and participation. But my three children all attended an Islamic school and it never occurred to me that the school may view Halloween as anything but innocuous fun. My first clue to the contrary was the information sheet that came home in their backpacks outlining the pagan origins of the holiday. My second subtle hint was the sign that read, “We Do Not Celebrate Halloween. Please Do Not Ring Our Bell” designed and decorated in the students’ art class. ... – I had chosen to enroll my children in this Islamic school and loved the school’s mission and ideals but what to do when their philosophy and mine clashed?


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1 posted on 09/22/2011 6:49:02 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough

(1) What non-Muslim in their right mind sends their children to an Islamic school?

(2) You’ll find plenty of Christians that hold the same attitude toward Halloween—it’s a pagan holiday that celebrates evil, and should be avoided—so it’s hard (as a Christian) to critisize the Muslims on this one.


2 posted on 09/22/2011 6:53:14 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: flowerplough
We steadfastly do traditional Halloween in my neighborhood, outdoor decorations and all. Yes, the numbers have gone down over the years but it's still an eleven-bagger.

Hope it continues. Happy memories for the young ones, IMO.

3 posted on 09/22/2011 6:53:19 AM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: flowerplough

In Islam, you cannot pick and choose which parts you will follow. Either you follow all of Islam, or you are an apostate. Bad things happen to open apostates.


4 posted on 09/22/2011 6:53:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: flowerplough

I can see how they would be drawn to the macabre side of Halloween, but it never occurred to me that muzzies would partake of the holiday unless they could inflict some pain or misery.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 6:56:44 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Brookhaven

Plenty of Christians are wrong.

Halloween is at heart a Christian holy day. It’s the vigil of All Saints Day, i.e. All Hallows Eve.


6 posted on 09/22/2011 6:58:01 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Brookhaven

Halloween is a Christian holiday. All Hallowed Eve is the day before All Saints Day. All Christians should celebrate the Saints.


7 posted on 09/22/2011 6:59:09 AM PDT by bagadonutz
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To: Brookhaven

And let me make it clear, lest I am misunderstood. The way Halloween is celebrated nowadays is, in many ways, atrocious and disgusting. I get that. I’m a Christian myself and I won’t tolerate any glorification of evil or witchcraft in my house.

My children dress as saints. And we commemorate all those who have gone before us and now live their lives fully within Christ. That’s the way we keep it at our house.


8 posted on 09/22/2011 7:07:50 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud; bagadonutz

The way it is celebrated in this country is not Christian. As a practical matter, it is celebration of evil and evil spirits, not good (unless you want to argue that people walking around dressed up bloody murder victims has some connection to good).


9 posted on 09/22/2011 7:09:50 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

The way many secular people celebrate it I won’t argue with you. Truth be told, I find their preoccupation with slaughter and gore completely vile.

But you’ll find a different attitude altogether in the homes of many Christians who remember what the original day was all about.


10 posted on 09/22/2011 7:15:38 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

Thanks, Claud. How I loved the mass that commemorated All Saint’s (isn’t it All Souls the night before?). Then hours of school followed by a wonderful costume, trick or treating and meeting all the lovely moms on that brisk autumn afternoon. Sadly, last year I didn’t get one single child.


11 posted on 09/22/2011 7:17:29 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Brookhaven; truthkeeper

Fundamentalist churches hereabouts have also stopped mentioning the holiday or holding kiddies’ parties.


12 posted on 09/22/2011 7:18:25 AM PDT by flowerplough (My favorite lesbian in the whole world is Joan Jett.)
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To: miss marmelstein

It really is a beautiful time of the liturgical year isn’t it? One of my favorites.

All Souls is Nov. 2. The whole 3 day festival is the vigil of All Saints (Halloween Oct 31), then All Saints (Nov 1), then All Souls (Nov 2).


13 posted on 09/22/2011 7:26:31 AM PDT by Claud
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To: flowerplough

Halloween was the most wonderful holiday as a child. I’m so sad that kids today are being deprived of such fun - especially because of Christianity!

Tramping on the colorful leaves with pillowcases loaded down with candy as you came home through the dusk; amazing homemade costumes sewn or designed by mom; watching my brother create a beard by using burnt cork. My father coming home from work and insisting he see our costumes before we changed back into mufti.

This was not the 19th Century (Halloween had completely different rituals then) but happened all the way though the 1970s.

How Christians could turn on this holiday rather than enforce the old traditions and rituals, is beyond me. Well, that’s why I’m not a fundamentalist, I guess.


14 posted on 09/22/2011 7:29:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: Claud

I don’t believe that it is an accident that the most beautiful of all the church traditions (with the exception of Easter) take place during the glorious days of autumn and early winter. My favorite season, my favorite rituals.


15 posted on 09/22/2011 7:31:33 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Right! Part of it is the sheer beauty of the autumn in North America.

And I think that time of year speaks very well to us in this time of world history....we remember the last things as the world winds down and we await the coming of the Savior in Advent. All is darkening around is, and we are sustained by Light.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 7:39:03 AM PDT by Claud
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To: miss marmelstein
You're right. Shame on those narrow minded fundamentalist. How could Christains turn on anything that glorifies this:


17 posted on 09/22/2011 7:56:53 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

You’re using a mallet to kill a fly.

Are those people coming to your door when trick or treating? If so, by all means, send them away and call the cops.

Meanwhile, I will continue to delight in the holiday.


18 posted on 09/22/2011 11:08:35 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Run, Sarah, Run! Please!)
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To: miss marmelstein
I'm with you. I've got three grandbabies to dress up this year. The 3-year old will be Bo Peep and the 16-month old boy-girl twins will be her sheep.

I love seeing the kidlets in their costumes.

19 posted on 09/22/2011 12:39:41 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: Brookhaven
The way it is celebrated in this country is not Christian. As a practical matter, it is celebration of evil and evil spirits, not good (unless you want to argue that people walking around dressed up bloody murder victims has some connection to good).

Oh - you must of seen me in my St. Stephen costume last year.
20 posted on 09/22/2011 12:59:44 PM PDT by bagadonutz
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