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Flt 93 mom on Crescent jury: I dont want to reach out to those people! They murdered my daughter!
Flopping Aces ^ | 09-25-11 | Alec Rawls

Posted on 09/25/2011 3:08:07 PM PDT by Starman417

Alec Rawls, who has been working with Tom Burnett Sr. to stop the Crescent of Embrace memorial to Flight 93, explains the circumstances (related by Mr. Burnett in 2008, but not published until now).

Mr. Burnett had been telling his fellow design competition jurors that the crescent is a well known Islamic symbol. In addition to the giant central crescent (now called a broken circle) Tom also objected to the minaret-like Tower of Voices. "I made a point at that meeting," says Mr. Burnett, "to tell people that we have an Islamist design here that can't go forward, please, stay with me."

One of the left-wing design professionals on the jury, Tom Sokolowski (then director of Pittsburg's Andy Warhol Museum) thought that objecting to the crescent shape, just because it happens to be used by Muslims, was anti-Muslim bigotry. In a rude attempt to shut down criticism, Sokolowski actually called Mr. Burnett "asinine" for objecting to the huge Islamic-shaped Crescent. (Sokolowski would later repeat this performance to the press, calling a local preacher "asinine," "small minded," "bigoted," "repellant," and "disgusting" for protesting the Crescent design.)

It was in this atmosphere, charged with universal awareness amongst the jurors that the giant crescent was indeed a well-known Islamic symbol shape, but also charged with uncertainty as to whether people would be allowed to mention this fact, that another family member, Sandra Felt, started to explain what she liked about the Crescent design. She liked the "embracing" nature of it, says Mr. Burnett. She liked the way it "reached out..."

At which point another family member "lost it" (Mr. Burnett's description), screaming in agony: "I don't want to reach out to those people! THEY MURDERED MY DAUGHTER!"

The Park Service claims it "lost" the minutes

This extreme level of conflict on the jury over perceived Islamic symbolism should have come out years ago. The jury included a designated, non-voting, minutes taker. This was not supposed to be a private deliberation. These were volunteer citizens, doing the people's business, and the jury minutes were supposed to be made available to the public.

The Memorial Project and the Park Service claim that the minutes were "lost." No doubt, but that doesn't mean the loss was accidental, and defenders of the Crescent design had good reason to make the minutes go away. Any faithful record would have been explosive, revealing these fierce objections from multiple Flight 93 family members to the blatant Islamic symbolism in the Crescent design.

The ballot wasn't supposed to be secret either, but the Park Service refuses to account for what they claim was a 9 to 6 tally in favor of the Crescent design. What does 9 to 6 even mean on what was a ranked vote amongst three designs? Did every ballot that did not rank the Crescent last get counted as a vote in favor?

The whole thing is fishy, and there is one most obvious reason why the defenders of the Crescent might want to keep the vote details hidden. The seven family members on the jury were outnumbered by eight academics and design professionals. Thus all six of the votes against the Crescent could have come from the kin, with only Sandra Felt voting for it. This is more than just possible. It is likely.

Another mother of the murdered said only that she agreed with Mr. Burnett, and he thought that the other two men amongst the family members (Gerald Bingham and Ed Root) were on his side as well, though both have since spoken out against his ongoing effort to rescind the chosen design. Bingham and Root are angry at the anguish that the families are still being put through over the memorial design, but could such men have voted for the Crescent in the first place, in the face of that mother's anguished cry?

A vicious left-wing ideologue like Sokolowski, yes, but it seems almost inconceivable that family members could vote for a design that other family members saw as a tribute to the terrorists, or at the very least, as reaching out to Islam. Since Bingham and Root are willing to speak out, can they please tell us whether they voted for the Crescent? If they didn't, then the vote amongst the family members was at least 5 to 2 against.

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: 911; burnett; crescent; flight93; islamicvictory; memorial; memorialmecca

1 posted on 09/25/2011 3:08:17 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Almost the minute 9-11 happened the left tripped over themselves to become dhimmi’s.


2 posted on 09/25/2011 3:10:47 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Starman417

I would ask why this woman didn’t contact the press, but she very possibly did.

Most people don’t know of the conservative press that’s out there, and the only one they do know is Fox News, which is no better than CNN. Their own expert proclaimed Bummer’s BC a fraud, and they just flat-out lied and said otherwise.

Probably people contact Fox News every day and their story is squashed.

Fox News is preaching only to the choir - they make sure of that. They achieve nothing.


3 posted on 09/25/2011 3:17:42 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Starman417

They should build a Shinto temple over the Arizona in Pearl Harbor.

That would be reeeching out.


4 posted on 09/25/2011 3:18:49 PM PDT by barstoolblues (proud member of the sunzab itches club)
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To: Starman417
At which point another family member "lost it" (Mr. Burnett's description), screaming in agony: "I don't want to reach out to those people! THEY MURDERED MY DAUGHTER!"

The family member's feelings are justified. I am one who does not wish to "reach out" to those people either. It would be double-so if one of my family members was on that plane.

To wish to employ an islamic symbol in memorial of that tragedy kow-tows to islam and is hateful and deragatory to the loss this country, and those families suffered.

5 posted on 09/25/2011 3:22:20 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Starman417

The country is infested with enemies of Western civilization. Much like termites, they are eating away the foundation and pillars of the US and one day, it will collapse unless we soon hire pest controllers who can tent the whole house.


6 posted on 09/25/2011 3:23:02 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Starman417

Disgusting. It is an insult to America, as well as to the dead and to their families.

Who on earth chose someone from the Andy Warhol Institute, of all things, to get involved with this? If you wanted a memorial for dead heroes, would you go to the Andy Warhol Institute for advice?

I suspect that the families were railroaded by the “experts,” who told them they were a bunch of bigots who didn’t understand the first thing about Modren Art.

“Shut up and do what we say!”


7 posted on 09/25/2011 3:24:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Starman417

Its the first time I’ve seen them admit the design was islamic on purpose. I thought they were denying it.


8 posted on 09/25/2011 3:25:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: barstoolblues

Can you imagine the outrage if the memorial was in the shape of a cross?

“Just because it’s in the shape of a cross doesn’t mean that it’s a religious symbol.”

Let someone make that remark and see how well it flies!


9 posted on 09/25/2011 3:26:14 PM PDT by davandbar
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To: Starman417
Pic of the 19 Muslim hijackers now.


10 posted on 09/25/2011 3:32:52 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: davandbar

At least in the movie Red Dawn they were honest enough to admit it was an attack.

Now we have the Red Crescent Dawn. Only the attackers act like they are Arab Ozzie and Harrietts.


11 posted on 09/25/2011 3:33:22 PM PDT by barstoolblues (proud member of the sunzab itches club)
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To: davandbar

At least in the movie Red Dawn they were honest enough to admit it was an attack.

Now we have the Red Crescent Dawn. Only the attackers act like they are Arab Ozzie and Harrietts.


12 posted on 09/25/2011 3:33:35 PM PDT by barstoolblues (proud member of the sunzab itches club)
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To: barstoolblues

Once we have been silenced by our government; we will speak out when it is least expected.


13 posted on 09/25/2011 3:38:31 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Starman417

I said to a friend once in regard to the design of this memorial that if it were to be built as designed I’d go out to Shanksville, rent a back-hoe and destroy the hideous thing myself.


14 posted on 09/25/2011 3:42:36 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Starman417

This is sickening beyond belief. It’s hard to comprehend how so many ‘enlightened’ Americans can be so stupid and gullible.


15 posted on 09/25/2011 3:45:12 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: KittenClaws

Pig fat is the only appropriate anointment to be poured on this vile travesty.


16 posted on 09/25/2011 3:46:03 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (O assumes the trappings of the presidency, not its mantle. He is not presidential.)
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To: Starman417

....the left-wing design professionals on the jury.....

Are some—or all—of these people open homosexuals?

The “design profession” is infested with left-wing screaming homosexuals, who can’t be trusted to handle an assignment such as a Flight 93 memorial!!!!


17 posted on 09/25/2011 3:46:32 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: jmacusa
backhoe?

You'd be surprised what a spray bottle of roundup will do!

18 posted on 09/25/2011 3:49:26 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Starman417

Pam Geller’s been on this:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/08/911-flight-93-memorial-islamic-crescent-of-betrayal.html

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/09/muslim-consultants-lied-to-park-service-about-flight-911-islamic-crescent-memorial.html

...and...

http://errortheory.blogspot.com/2011/09/muslim-consultants-lied-to-park-service.html


19 posted on 09/25/2011 3:49:41 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
Revocation of visas for all muslims would be appropriate as well.

Yes. All of ‘em. Because, sorry, I do not believe in the peaceful muslim.

They need to be gone.

20 posted on 09/25/2011 3:50:23 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: GeronL
dhimmi’s

Try it without the unnecessary apostrophe:

dhimmis.

21 posted on 09/25/2011 3:52:22 PM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Roundup’’? Not a bad idea.


22 posted on 09/25/2011 3:52:43 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Cicero

There was some controversy about the World Trade Center memorial as well. The WTC memorial was supposed to have content of American history, a whole series of negative episodes of American history. I don’t know if the plans were finally reversed. I wonder if both memorials were conjured up by the same people. Are lefties taking over the government agency that oversees national monuments?


23 posted on 09/25/2011 3:54:06 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: davandbar

Someone should place a large cross there.


24 posted on 09/25/2011 3:55:41 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: rawcatslyentist

ROUNDUP!

Good thought.


25 posted on 09/25/2011 3:57:52 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Truth29

“The country is infested with enemies of Western civilization,” and Christianity. Addition by wita.

Any Islamic reference, however slight, should not be authorized or allowed in any memorial related to 9-11. It should be regarded as a slap in the face to those still suffering from the terrorist atrocity and murder of so many Americans, as well as the same to every red blooded American citizen. That goes quadrazillion for a mosque near the site in NY city.

JMHO!!!!!!!!!!


26 posted on 09/25/2011 3:58:31 PM PDT by wita
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

Sorry

‘’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’’

I found those to be very necessary in a sarcastic sense.


27 posted on 09/25/2011 3:59:01 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MuttTheHoople

Need more HEAT!


28 posted on 09/25/2011 3:59:14 PM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Starman417
All those petrodollars we sent to Saudi Arabia have come back as termites eating away at our social infrastructure.

At some point it is going to come down to us or them, because it is already that way for them.

29 posted on 09/25/2011 4:04:40 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Palin is coming, and the Tea Party is coming with her.)
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To: Starman417

“The Crescent of Embrace.”

Good God, what are these people thinking?

Not trying to be funny, but how about “The Crooked Cross of Care” at Auschwitz or Dachau?

Idiots all.


30 posted on 09/25/2011 4:06:52 PM PDT by Joe Marine 76 ("It's The Natural Born Citizenship, Stupid!")
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To: GeronL

I found those to be very necessary in a sarcastic sense.

I’ll just bet you did! LOL! Of course they didn’t wrap
when I looked at them so I had to scroll right to see them
all, and believe me I looked at everyone of them.


31 posted on 09/25/2011 4:08:12 PM PDT by wita
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To: wita

lol.

I don’t understand why they didn’t wrap but next time I will use space and paragraph tags.


32 posted on 09/25/2011 4:10:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Cicero

We Americans didn’t make any noise about this so the little Mecca is being built in Shanksville just like the Mosque at ground Zero.


33 posted on 09/25/2011 4:14:29 PM PDT by omega4179 (Cain makes a perfectly acceptable replacement front runner.)
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To: cradle of freedom
Just take a gander at the so-called "reflecting pools" which sit in the pits left from the footprint of Tower 1 and Tower 2, where we should have rebuilt improved replicas of the original towers. Instead we have these dark weeping festering wounds to contend with. The image of these dark pools can be interpretted to represent the triumphant kabbah (meccan cube in Saudi Arabia), the dark bottomless cube shaped pit in the center of each pool, reaching through the center of the planet swallowing up it's conquest (twin towers), perpetually quenching it's bloodthirst with the tears of those who mourn 9/11. The actual 9/11 museum lies several stories below grade - hidden from ground level where the attack took place - and can only be accessed by paying admission. Daisy Kahn, wife of imam Rauf was on the advisory panel to this atrociously insulting memorial design as well. It is said that if you draw a line from the GZ mosque (old Burlington Coat Factory) through GZ it would point directly to Mecca as well.
34 posted on 09/25/2011 4:40:38 PM PDT by wtd
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To: Starman417

Let’s just say I am glad I made myself (and husband, etc) visit the memorial FINALLY, before the “official” 1 opened. Very late, but better than making it seem I condone the travesty.


35 posted on 09/25/2011 5:10:40 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: jmacusa

Might want to go for a D-9 CAT rather than a backhoe. You’ll be done much more quickly and thoroughly. And you may as well get one lined up, because I believe the people in charge of the project have completely SOLD OUT to the ragheads. Why else would they even give a nano-second’s thought to a design that even REMOTELY hinted at anything muslim?!


36 posted on 09/25/2011 5:18:25 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: wtd

Daisy Khan must be the grand dame of New York social life, everybody seems to want to be close to Daisy. Wow! I wondered who was the Muslim expert who gave the builders all the detailed information about Islamic symbolism—none other than Daisy and Imam Raub. I don’t know if this is a fact that it makes sense if Daisy Khan has been invited to put in her two cents regarding Ground Zero.

The Andy Warhol organization must be in New York City since Warhol lived there. This is probably the center of this plot. It figures that Khan and Raub would insinuate themselves into the building of the two monuments to bring peace, joy and brotherhood between Muslims and Americans. (barf)

The NYC arts scene is loaded with homos and other leftists so I would imagine that they would be some of the top insiders when it comes to anything that have to do with arts, monuments or whatever.


37 posted on 09/25/2011 5:35:58 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

I think a movement should be started that everyone refuse to contribute even one penny to the Flight 93 memorial site until this design choice is reversed. No money should be invested or contributed until and unless another design that is not a crescent is chosen. Let them have their damnable design, but only the design on paper, no design on the site, because no one will contribute to their abominable cause.


38 posted on 09/25/2011 6:09:16 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47

You are aware that it already started in force, right?

Now a wrecking crew would be needed.


39 posted on 09/25/2011 7:26:23 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Starman417
Crescent of Embrace

"Embrace" is an interesting choice of word. Muslims from North Africa all the way to Thailand use this word, even if they know very little English. From Algeria to Cambodia, "have you decided to embrace Islam?" is a question that is asked just before you are put on the to-behead list.

This is an extremely offensive concept for a memorial. Why are Americans doing this to themselves?

40 posted on 09/25/2011 7:47:41 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: GeronL

What point were you making when you chose to use the punctuation in such excess that it skewed the page?


41 posted on 09/26/2011 9:32:14 AM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: ru4liberty

lol. I don’t even remember. Just a kneejerk response to being told that I used an unnecessary apostrophe.


42 posted on 09/26/2011 11:07:44 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Tucker39

Well thanks for the suggestion on the the D-9 Cat but that things a tracked monster. Backhoe of medium size, a good size tractor even with just a good size bucket up front, you know? The back-hoe itself is necessary, I’m not going to be making trenches to lay pipe, just mar it up. I CAN” T BELIEVE this is happening even though I’ve known about the crescent design for quite some time now. I seen many an ‘’artists’’ rendition of it. I just can’t describe what I felt when I saw it. Simply can’t find the words.


43 posted on 09/26/2011 4:18:45 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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