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"An unconstitutional killing: Obama's killing of Awlaki violates American principles" Ron Paul
NY Daily News ^ | 10/2/11 | Ron Paul

Posted on 10/02/2011 2:11:40 PM PDT by Bokababe

.....I don't trust Obama with determining what protections I should be allowed as a citizen any more than I trust him with our general defense, the economy, health care, job growth - or anything else.

The usual justification for such abuse of the rule of law is that the post-9/11 period demands a different code of conduct to ensure people's safety. But politicians can always find excuses for why they should be allowed to disobey the Constitution.....

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/10/02/2011-10-02_an_unconstitutional_killing.html#ixzz1Zeydd8Ny

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Please tell me why Ron Paul is the only one out there defending or even mentioning the Constitution on this?

The rest -- Romney and Perry et all -- are cheerleading Obama on this. Why? Maybe because they just can't wait to have this kind of power for themselves.

1 posted on 10/02/2011 2:11:44 PM PDT by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe

I would give my right arm for the power to slaughter sub-human terrorist filth unilaterally!


2 posted on 10/02/2011 2:14:50 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Bokababe

Good question. If Bush had done this, the MSM and the Left would be screaming, “BUSH SLAUGHTERS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!”


3 posted on 10/02/2011 2:17:37 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Doctor 2Brains
I would give my right arm for the power to slaughter sub-human terrorist filth unilaterally!

Whose stopping you?

4 posted on 10/02/2011 2:17:51 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

So tell me, how is killing an enemy on the battle field in a war unConstitutional?
Personally, I am sick of Paul and his blame America first rants and his apparent worshipers.


5 posted on 10/02/2011 2:18:49 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Bokababe

6 posted on 10/02/2011 2:18:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Bokababe

I am not a Ron Paul fan, or anything Ron Paul, but he has a point.

Remember, they declared the Tea Party terrorists. What is to stop them from killing us?


7 posted on 10/02/2011 2:19:52 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Bokababe

The man!


8 posted on 10/02/2011 2:20:19 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Bokababe

Al Awalki is a citizen?

Hey Ron, we used to call ***holes like this traitors.


9 posted on 10/02/2011 2:20:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Bokababe

He was killed on his own battlefield working for the enemy trying to kill Americans.

Case closed.


10 posted on 10/02/2011 2:21:20 PM PDT by DB
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To: NoGrayZone

There’s only one, er, 300,000,001/2 (more or less) reasons they don’t try. And we’re armed to the teeth.


11 posted on 10/02/2011 2:23:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Bokababe
When Nazi leader and Holocaust mastermind Adolf Eichmann was convicted and executed by the Israeli government in 1962, it was after he was captured, extradited and tried.

And Nazi Germany Army and aggression was 15 + years in the rear view mirror. To choose the parallel as he has done proves nothig other than his stupidity, which is his Constitutional right. But if he wants the US military to send a mission into Yemen, or wherever to capture Alwaki, then he needs to volunteer to lead it.. er, on second thought, go along for the ride. More Lew Rockwell from Paul. Why doesn't Rockwell run for President and eliminate the middle man?

12 posted on 10/02/2011 2:23:27 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Bokababe; All

“The rest — Romney and Perry et all — are cheerleading Obama on this.”

Because the person “assasinated” was an expatriate involved in sedition against the United States and was giving aid and comfort to enemies of the U.S. He no longer merited any Constitutional protections because he was in a state of war against this country. My only regret is that Mr. Obama gets to take credit for this.

Ron Paul is an absolute fool on matters of foreign policy; a dangerous one. Only the naive and drug sellers/users support him.


13 posted on 10/02/2011 2:26:08 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Bokababe
I think part of the problem here is that the 5th amendment applies to criminals, not to enemy combatants in a war. Civil Libertarians and Ronulans seem to miss the distinction.

If you make a bunch of public statements on your website promoting war against the United States (or Jihad against the great Satan, or anything that means war against the United States), you are no longer a criminal, you are an enemy combatant.

Also, while making due process available is required by the 5th amendment, the person needs to avail themselves of due process, and not resist due process and force a confrontation with possible deadly consequences.

Al Awlaki could have had due process any time, if that's what he wanted. I doubt he would have been shot on site if he returned to the US and proceeded to turn himself in, provided he kept his hands up and in plain site the whole way.

14 posted on 10/02/2011 2:26:25 PM PDT by ˘ommon ˘ents ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: Bokababe

The Constitution was been screwed over since there is no longer a formal declaration of war. We are left with Presidential work-arounds and UN resolutions. If we can bomb other nations without a formal declaration of war, the President becomes a dictator. The last time we had a nation united in war was WW II when we formally declared war.


15 posted on 10/02/2011 2:27:31 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Bokababe

When you take up arms against the United States and murder its people, citizen or not, due process is doing what it takes to get rid of you, not a court date.


16 posted on 10/02/2011 2:27:42 PM PDT by DB
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To: Bokababe

Good for Ron Paul, he didn’t say, as many here would, ‘principal’!


17 posted on 10/02/2011 2:28:46 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: mylife
Al Awalki is a citizen?

Yes.

"Hey Ron, we used to call ***holes like this traitors."

We still do, but this guy was never even charged with treason -- or with anything.

It's not about Awlaki. It's about the power of the presidency -- which Obama thinks has no limits.

18 posted on 10/02/2011 2:28:53 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Jim Robinson

Good point. Unfortunately I’d wish they’d get on with it already and try.

Screw it. America is on the end of it’s rope. I’d rather die fighting then being shot in the back of the head with no warning.


19 posted on 10/02/2011 2:29:47 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Bokababe

Sure hope he was guilty. But, we’ll just have to trust in the government. I guess now the prevailing wisdom is that capturing with the intent to extract intelligence is bad, but killing from drones is good. A hellfire up the hoo-ha is okay, but waterboarding is torture.


20 posted on 10/02/2011 2:31:03 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: Bokababe

This is interesting because some libertarians that I read support what they call the Swiss method of self defense which is arming alll citizens, teach them gurrilla warfare and aim at killing/assassinating all in leadership whether it be platoon commander, king, general.... and so on.

the little guys fold when leadership is dead...Think of the film “V”.

It wasnt the people fighting back at the end that stopped the tyranny, it was the assasinations of the leadership.


21 posted on 10/02/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Bokababe

I dunno—should we have tried, before a jury, the CSA before engaging in battle at Gettysburg? They were Americans too.

With that said—Awlaki had dinner at the Pentagon—they could have nabbed him then.


22 posted on 10/02/2011 2:32:23 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Bokababe

A mere technicality.
I am willing to give Obama a pass on this one.
I dont think I will make it a central arguing point on why Obama needs to be removed from office.
I am not willing to give him a pass on all the sorry crap he has done to destroy the nation.


23 posted on 10/02/2011 2:32:28 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: gusopol3

And if Adolf Eichmann was still actively murdering Jews at the time, Israel would have taken him out and not captured him - big difference.


24 posted on 10/02/2011 2:34:20 PM PDT by DB
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To: Bokababe

During WWII many American citizens went to Germany to fight for Hitler. When captured and discovered to be Americans they were often summarily executed as traitors by military tribunals. This was and is entirely legal by a hundred years or more worth of international rules of war.

A few years back the Rats tried to claim that US citizens who joined alQaeda were entitled to lawyers and civil trials. This is completely false. However corrupt left wing pols ignored the law and used their false claim simply for another hammer to beat Bush with. Obama was one of these pols. Now he gets to deal with an issue that he helped to create which is too bad for him.

But it is completely legal to kill US Citizens who take up arms in foreign lands against the USA. They can be killed on the field or sleeping in their beds or anywhere any time unless they surrender at which time they are subject to military jurisdiction. Ron Paul and the ACLU are completely wrong.


25 posted on 10/02/2011 2:35:22 PM PDT by Seruzawa (Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for good a blaster kid.)
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To: Bokababe

I don’t know about anyone else. But on a scale of 1-10 of constituitonal violations over the last 60 years, this one rates about a 2.


26 posted on 10/02/2011 2:37:19 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Bokababe

Traitors who attack America and fight with our declared enemies are subject to termination.

The only problem here is that Obama and his pals attacked Bush for fighting our enemies, and now he’s doing it himself, probably intended as a campaign trick.


27 posted on 10/02/2011 2:37:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: mylife; Bokababe
"Al Awalki is a citizen?"

"Hey Ron, we used to call ***holes like this traitors.

So wouldn't that give us the right to do the same to all members of politics the same treatment?

Would not TOTUS be #1 on that hit list?

28 posted on 10/02/2011 2:38:14 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Bokababe

29 posted on 10/02/2011 2:38:42 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I'm a heartless conservative because I love this country.)
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To: Bokababe

Not a Paulite and no tears for American jihadis but assasinating American citizens should at least make us think about the constitutional questions. I’m not real comfortable with any POTUS having that power let alone this one. Fireright? Kill’em all. But I think I would be much more comfortable with oversight from Congress. Or try him in absentia and declare him an enemy combatant who is operational. Some kind of check on this power is logical and desirable I think.


30 posted on 10/02/2011 2:39:19 PM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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To: Jim Robinson

True, but I still worry about a handful of crazed Islamofacsists stepping into our schools at some point. 9/11 was possible for them because it was evil beyond our imagination. I’m not sure that there is a bottom in the sea of depravity in which some of these monsters operate, so the unthinkable must be considered.

Give me your thoughts on what our response should be if God forbid something like the above should happen.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 2:39:19 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: Bokababe

Hey Ron, STFU!

The authority comes from “We the People”, and we are good with it.

Just becasue we didn’t spend 16 million dollars on a trial doesn’t mean we didn’t give public consent: we didn’t call our representatives to demand a trial.


32 posted on 10/02/2011 2:39:33 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: NoGrayZone

The distinction should always be made that Awlaki was not just fighting the government of the U.S., he wanted to kill Americans, and destroy the country and its treasured institutions. When any American makes war against this country his or her citizenship could not matter less.


33 posted on 10/02/2011 2:42:24 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: Bokababe

Maybe the Constitution didn’t apply to the Civil War?


34 posted on 10/02/2011 2:42:36 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Frank_2001

the left and this pro homo, cross dressing media went mad over Gitmo and said Bush should be impeached but they seem to have no problem that zero can give orders now to kill Americans .

What happened to trials and juries what the left and pro homo media wanted?

I’ts the hypocrisy what really does astound me and yet they cannot see it.


35 posted on 10/02/2011 2:42:48 PM PDT by manc (Hannity the fraud he admitted he's socially liberal he's no conservative marriage=1man+ 1 woman)
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To: Jim Robinson

By the way, just watched The Patriot last night, twice, for the 1st time.

I can’t wait for 2012 because I am so “anti” right now, which is not me. I want to BE for something, instead of against.

Tea Parties always renew my FOR and diminish my against. I keep praying to God that He forces Sarah to run, lol.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 2:43:26 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: gusopol3
When Nazi leader and Holocaust mastermind Adolf Eichmann was convicted and executed by the Israeli government in 1962, it was after he was captured, extradited and tried.

And just to set the record straight, Eicchmann wasn't extradited, but kidnapped. Not that he didn't deserve what he got, but there is a difference.

37 posted on 10/02/2011 2:43:38 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Bokababe

THERE’S A TERRORIST WHO IS ACTIVELY PLANNING TO KILL AMERICANS!

GOOD!

WHERE’S HE FROM?

WHO CARES?

THE ACLU AND RON PAUL!


38 posted on 10/02/2011 2:44:09 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: svcw
Which battlefield is that? Yemen?

I'm no Paul-ite (Paulian?). I agree with some of what he says in terms of domestic issues; but, as far as foreign policy goes, he's a dangerous, blame-America kook.

He's also right on this one. You are shortsightedly endorsing a precedent because, in this single instance, it has yielded a result that you (and I) like.

Unfortunately, the precedent has now been set for other actions that you WILL NOT LIKE.

A better example of the end justifying the means could not be found.

39 posted on 10/02/2011 2:44:20 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: NoGrayZone

No.

Al Awaliki was actively and “overtly” working against the US.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 2:44:26 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ¢ommon ¢ents
If you make a bunch of public statements on your website promoting war against the United States (or Jihad against the great Satan, or anything that means war against the United States), you are no longer a criminal, you are an enemy combatant.

Really? Now that is an interesting comment. Samir Kahn did those very things from the basement in his parents home in Charlotte, NC. We didn't do a darn thing about him.

Muslim Extremist's Web Site Stirs Mixed Emotions in Charlotte, N.C.

One of Khan’s neighbors, Ron Williams, also defended Khan’s right to free speech.

41 posted on 10/02/2011 2:44:54 PM PDT by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: NoGrayZone

Move to Dearborn and try to preach on a street corner. You won’t have to wait long.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 2:45:11 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can go to hell.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I got a steak knife and I know how to use it!


43 posted on 10/02/2011 2:47:24 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Bokababe

Oh, please.


44 posted on 10/02/2011 2:47:46 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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To: chesley

I didn’t remember that, thanks for the reminder. Now Paul can denounce Israel, too.


45 posted on 10/02/2011 2:47:46 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: HMS Surprise

Move to MI?? No way in heck. I’m already living in NY, is that not punishment enough?


46 posted on 10/02/2011 2:47:58 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: NoGrayZone
I am not a Ron Paul fan, or anything Ron Paul, but he has a point.

Ron Paul has NO point. Awalki was a confirmed traitor to his own country, and was an acknowledged senior operator within the enemy camp.

As such, he forfeited any right to special treatment or consideration by US forces engaged in killing our enemies.

47 posted on 10/02/2011 2:48:20 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jwalsh07
... But I think I would be much more comfortable with oversight from Congress. Or try him in absentia and declare him an enemy combatant who is operational. Some kind of check on this power is logical and desirable I think.

Well said.

48 posted on 10/02/2011 2:48:41 PM PDT by PENANCE
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To: mylife
"Al Awaliki was actively and “overtly” working against the US."

And TOTUS is not?

49 posted on 10/02/2011 2:49:21 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: NoGrayZone
What is to stop them from killing us?

In my case, I like to think it's my Bushmaster AR15, Glock 19, and tight target groupings.

50 posted on 10/02/2011 2:50:40 PM PDT by behzinlea
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