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Sarah Palin Is Running For President Of The United States 2012.
Unite And State ^ | 10/04/2011 | Mayer Abbey

Posted on 10/04/2011 3:15:59 PM PDT by PalinCain2012

The announcement is to be expected and will be coming shortly from all that I keep hearing, and my inbox is exploding. The writing is on the wall. The establishment class in the Republican party have thrown everything they could at thwarting a Palin run. There have been recent primary date changes in Florida and South Carolina. These moves were artificially moved forward to prevent any more time for a candidate to game the system, to leisurely let the field collapse before entering. This was a specifically choreographed effort by the GOP. The fear of a "Rogue" candidate is almost bordering on hysteria. They must be in control and must be a part of any candidacy. They cannot handle the rejection that Palin casts their way.

The establishment is under pressure because they know "they" will lose the party to a conservative coalition and they will soon be out of jobs. There was a strong push for a Chris Christie run. I predicted last week that he was not running, but that he would wait until the last possible moment to finally concede definitively that he was out. That moment came earlier today. I know there are many out there that will point out that he has been saying no for a long long time, and while that is true he has consistently dropped little nuggets that gave the establishment hope. The media was dragging the story a long and let us be honest Chris Christie loved the attention. The truth is Chris Christie did not want to run, he was being drafted to run or to string a long the media with the idea of a run. This would run down the clock and hopefully prevent Palin from entering the race.

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To: Oztrich Boy

Would Cain beat Hillary?

NOW THAT is a fascinating question. It presupposes, of course, that the Democrats would be willing to primary against Obama. The thought of this has indeed run through the ranks of liberals. The question is do they have the courage to actually clip Obama or, like Jesse Jackson, will they only mutter the thought under their breath? Having considered this myself, I believe a primary run against Obama would fracture the Democrat's party in a devastating way. They would do irreparable harm in their relationship with their base.

Whereas I do think Cain would beat Hillary in both style and substance, I recognize that doesn't mean a victory in popularity -- and Hillary Clinton is quite popular. But when you factor in the loss of popularity due to a primary run against Obama, Hillary defeats herself. I don't think it would even be close. If the Democrats abandon Obama, the minority vote alone will swing 30 points Cain's way overnight. Will they risk fracturing the party with such a high probability of loss regardless? I honestly do not think so. I find their leadership at times despicable, but not unintelligent. This is just opinion, of course.


101 posted on 10/04/2011 8:17:32 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

Exactly right the game is a game of chess and the end result of us winning is all that matters.


102 posted on 10/04/2011 8:19:22 PM PDT by PalinCain2012
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To: so_real
if, rather than coming to the fore, she instead threw her weight behind Cain -- to which Cain would thank her with a VP slot -- this election would already be over

Friend, as much as I like and admire Herman Cain, he has never won elective office, and actually lost a statewide race some years ago. He's got private sector executive experience, but he's never proved himself in the crucible of an executive government position.

Frankly, he's a newcomer to the political scene, and hasn't been involved in national politics long enough for anyone to truly know how he'd really govern, or whether he'd always make the wisest choices as president. As an executive, he's never had to deal with anything like two co-equal branches of government, who can effectively stop him.

Palin, on the other hand, has this experience, and in her time in office, was very successful and effective. She's got twenty years of experience as an elected government official, so she knows how to work within a governmental structure. Cain? Who knows?

I might also add that Cain has only recently piqued the interest of voters, and hasn't established that he's got the staying power to remain important or influential in American politics. He simply hasn't been a part of national politics long enough to know whether he'll implode next week, or next month. Maybe he'll gain even more traction with the American public, and become a statesman of concrete relevance and high value to the nation. Again - it's too early to tell.

All I know at this time, is that he's gained sudden popularity, and that he's saying a lot of things that Americans want to hear. That's all I know, which isn't enough for me to want to see him elected president.

Thanks, but I'll take Palin. She's been vetted more thoroughly than any political figure living memory, and is squeaky clean. Not only that, she's got the conservative orientation and the qualifications I need and want in a president.

Palin 2012

103 posted on 10/04/2011 8:59:26 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: MNnice
I think Palin is waiting for her good friend Michele Bachmann to drop out first.

Some friend. After Palin campaigned for Bachmann in her 2010 congressional re-election bid, Bachmann went on to declare for president, then said nothing after her rabid campaign chairman slandered Sarah on radio.

For what it's worth, I don't think Sarah lost much sleep over it, and probably even forgave Michelle in her heart.

I highly doubt that Sarah is waiting for Michelle to drop out of the race before she enters. If that were the case, pressure would be put on Michelle to stick it out until the early filing deadlines had passed, to keep Palin out. But - that's probably just as wild a theory as the one you just proposed (no offense).

104 posted on 10/04/2011 9:10:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Your points are all completely valid and well taken. I personally like the fact that Cain is not a politician, but I understand completely this may not appeal to everyone. And the conviction with which Palin speaks is genuine and unequaled in the race today. If Palin enters the race and takes the pole position, I'm happy to support her. But, if she is in it for the long haul, she may find considerable advantage in drafting for a bit. It's humbling, not to be out in front right off the line, but it saves your tires and your gas and you still get to cross the finish line first. I'll support her decision, whichever position she chooses.


105 posted on 10/04/2011 9:26:52 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real
...if she is in it for the long haul, she may find considerable advantage in drafting for a bit. It's humbling, not to be out in front right off the line, but it saves your tires and your gas and you still get to cross the finish line first.

I've heard that argument before, and it still doesn't compute to me. Why would you keep your MVP quarterback in reserve, and pin all of your hopes on a second string QB when you're playing the Super Bowl?

In my mind, it's like proposing that Reagan 'draft' in the slipstream of GHW Bush, because it's a safer bet to win.

As I see it (and it's a common perception), the stars are now aligned almost precisely the same as they were in 1979, and it's exactly the right time to put forward our most unapologetic, most outspoken conservative leader for president. The people are dying of thirst for the same type of leader they demanded in 1980, and will vault their most fearless patriot into the White House, should that leader stand for the office.

Please rise, Sarah Palin.

106 posted on 10/04/2011 10:04:52 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Longbow1969

Rubio would be a good choice too. Perry may end up in a Palin cabinet. She’s running. Too many press people and GOP talking heads fibrilating about the possibility like she’s the unclean thing in the holy place.

The longer she waits, the worse things get, the more she can make this a referendum on all of it.

Funny how the libs got all uptight about Christie’s weight. That’s it? That’s all they had?

This is going to be a couple of very strange years.


107 posted on 10/04/2011 10:10:34 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: so_real

It is my belief, and has been for quite a while, that Hillary will be the candidate, but not necessarily after a primary battle.

Obama may step aside ‘for the good of the party’ and HRC comes to the rescue! As SoS HRC played no part in forcing Obamacare down our throats, she didn’t vote for any stimulus bills, she was not involved in any debt ceiling debates, she cannot be linked to Obama’s DOJ, etc. Her hands are clean!

And she presents an opportunity for the same gullible idiots who couldn’t pass up a chance to be a part of history by voting for the first black president — even if he was a socialist — to once again be a part of history by voting for the first woman president — even if she’s a socialist!

There are some that speculate that this was that plan all along: that HRC stepped aside in 2008, that BO would appoint her SoS (keeping her away from the fallout), that with the help of Blue Dog Dems elected on his coattails BO would force through whatever he could with no concern about the damage, and then he would fall on his sword opening the way for HRC to rescue the party and create another opportunity for an ‘historical’ election.

But a GOP ticket with Palin at the top spoils their party! It guarantees an historical election without requiring people to vote for HRC to achieve it. They have spent three years trying to destroy Sarah. I’ve seen nothing like it in my lifetime. IMO it’s not just that they fear Sarah’s candidacy for who she is and what she represents, it’s also that her candidacy foils their HRC as first female president campaign!


108 posted on 10/04/2011 11:45:54 PM PDT by highway61
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To: RinaseaofDs
It’ll be Palin/Perry. That’s how it is going to go down. Perry will deliver Texas. Romney can’t deliver Mass, or he’d be in. Cain can’t deliver anything.

Palin doesn't need Perry in order to take Texas or any solid Republican state. There is zero chance that she would pick Gov. Goodhair Mexi-RINO. Perry is a fraud.

109 posted on 10/05/2011 4:56:49 AM PDT by adm5 (AMERICA HAS ONLY GOD AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT LEFT TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC. by: LibLieSlayer 3/18/10)
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To: so_real

I would welcome her to the race. HOWEVER

If she thought Herman could beat Romney I am sure she would throw her support behind Mr. Cain. I do not think Sarah thinks it is: “All About Her.” Those are the calculations she has to make and it is being done as I type I would guess. I know Obama is unelectable so the person we nominate is the President and President Romney is not very palatable on this site. Cain if he can get the nomination would be fine but I would doubt Sarah would want to be VP.


110 posted on 10/05/2011 5:12:53 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: PalinCain2012; Jean2

I’m getting a bit tired of him myself. Back in May he said Cain isn’t electable, then when Cain comes on the show in August he changes his tune. He also says not to vote for anyone who’s too ‘afraid’ to come on his show. Then Savage likes Perry because he’s got some plaque naming him something in the Texas Navy. About the only things he talks about anymore is being banned in Britian and his newest book.


111 posted on 10/05/2011 10:05:13 AM PDT by Spirit of Liberty (http://www.honorflight.org/)
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To: Windflier

I've heard that argument before, and it still doesn't compute to me. Why would you keep your MVP quarterback in reserve, and pin all of your hopes on a second string QB when you're playing the Super Bowl?

In this analogy, however, both the first string and the second string QB are on the field at the same time. Remember it was Sarah Palin's introduction to the race that saved McCain from an embarrassing landslide defeat by Obama. In fact she re-energized the race and was nearly able to secure a victory for McCain. If she can accomplish that for McCain, of all Republicans, doing the same for a genuine conservative (any of them) would seal a victory. Doing so for Cain, a well-spoken intelligent professional man having Tea Party inroads, would be a cake walk.

If she wants the Presidential seat for her own self-satisfaction, then she should run and I would encourage her to do so. There's a high probability she would have my vote in the primary. Running against fellow genuine conservatives, however, will be divisive and expensive. Considering there are already two genuine conservative minorities in the race, a woman and a black man, the divisiveness will be used as a weapon by both camps. She will not come out of it unscathed. And there is no guarantee of her success -- a high probability, yes, a guarantee, no, but expensive and divisive regardless.

When you consider that the Left has been anticipating her run for three years and has spent considerable effort (time and money) preparing for that run, significant advantage can be had upsetting their game. Using the front runner as a shield and becoming the running mate provides all the benefits to the team while defusing the traps and bombs laid by the opponent. That is where the drafting analogy is more appropriate. It's nearly a guaranteed victory at a fraction of the cost while making the party more cohesive instead of less. It's a win all the way around. And, assuming Palin and Cain do the People's work honestly for the term, Palin will be not only be the first woman Vice President in U.S. history, but also the first woman President as well -- no small honor there.

I'm a huge Palin fan and I think she would be a fine President. As the nominee, she will unquestionably have my support. I'm also pragmatic and analytical. When I find a route that has all the benefits, none of the liabilities, and costs substantially less --- I seize it. If Sarah Palin does as well, and humbles herself to forgo the short term vindication for the long term honor, I will understand completely and my admiration of her will only grow.


112 posted on 10/05/2011 2:44:44 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: highway61

It is interesting speculation, I agree. But the historical improbability of a democratic primary contest, combined with the evident narcissism possessing Obama, compounded with the no-love-lost relationship between Hillary and Obama ... I see this as a very minimal risk. It's something that will be spoken guardedly by disaffected supporters in the Democrats camp, but unlikely to go main stream. It's a risk, I grant you. But I think there are greater risks, and basing a campaign tailored to managing it would be a mistake. I see your points and in many ways agree with them. I am just of a mind that there is a clear path to victory elsewhere.


113 posted on 10/05/2011 2:51:44 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: vicar7

If she thought Herman could beat Romney I am sure she would throw her support behind Mr. Cain.

Then consider that Romney was a third place finisher behind McCain! The best McCain could do was fracture the party so badly that a Republican victory was all but impossible -- only the genius selection for VP that was Sarah Palin nearly turned that around.

Romney was third place behind McCain and McCain lost ... badly. I do not believe Romney can win. At best he fractures the party just like his "superior" McCain did. I think Romney throws the race to the democrats. But, thankfully, I also do not believe Romney will be the nominee. If I did, I would be very depressed at this point -- as some FReepers are today who believe this.

Palin knows she could beat Romney. She also knows McCain beat Romney and that Cain is cut from better cloth than McCain. She nearly dragged McCain's sorry campaign over the finish line; Cain's would be a cake walk. But you are right, she may well desire the title of President for herself. And her desires are valid and must be taken into account as well.


114 posted on 10/05/2011 3:10:26 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

I agree that Romney cannot win.


115 posted on 10/05/2011 3:14:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: All

Devasting News!!! She’s NOT running! Oh, I’m just sick! I so wanted her to run - she seemed to be the ONLY one to help this country - the ONLY one I really wanted. Now, who else is there? I can only think of Cain (would have LOVED to see Palin/Cain) - but, could he ever be the nominee?


116 posted on 10/05/2011 3:16:41 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: so_real

“It presupposes, of course, that the Democrats would be willing to primary against Obama.”

If Soros and Ayers decide to dump Obama, primary elections are not the way they will do it.


117 posted on 10/05/2011 3:17:29 PM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: jackibutterfly

I’m also sick!


118 posted on 10/05/2011 3:18:48 PM PDT by halo66
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To: jackibutterfly

Just heard she announced that on Levin’s radio show.


119 posted on 10/05/2011 3:19:02 PM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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To: altura
I like Cain after listening to the Beck Interview. Howie Carr in Boston is saying Mitt is pretty much in..but Cain, which I believe Palin got his first name wrong; is really impressive even on foreign policy including Israel and was there recently under no fan fare whatsoever as it was revealed on the Beck network in the interview today-which all should check out. Herman took on the 2 Fannies and the contributors of Frank, Dodd, Schumer and says investigations need to be done and people put in jail for the destruction of the economy/jobs that have occurred.

If I were to vote today would be for Herman Cain!!! He brings no drama and baggage to the table and is presidential in all ways--one super intelligent guy, likeable, says it "simple" so everyone can understand how the economy works, the Fed, tax issues etc and will bring an end to class warfare as we see it now growing into a very combustible situation with the media like MSNBC, America's own little Al Jazeera, stoking the flames for ratings from the Far Left

I want Obama gone and blame him for lending his support to revolutions around the world and the rise in antisemitism as in the Occupy Wall Street protesters of late and the unions that are joining their ranks.

Obama is dangerous and the DOJ is dangerous, the SEIU is very dangerous!

I have no time for Palin now, once perhaps; but have written her off, has a place in the political game somewhere but not as my president. I feel safe in saying All my Conservative friends spread across the country feel the same way.

120 posted on 10/05/2011 3:20:30 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: jackibutterfly

Cain is much more presidential than Palin..you need to reseach his speeches and interviews especially on the Glenn Beck show today..am sure it is available for all..stand to be impressed, very impressed and he can walk all over Obama in a debate.

Have to go out of town or would take the time to find it for you.


121 posted on 10/05/2011 3:23:49 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: jackibutterfly

Now that is a significant announcement ... did not expect that today! Anxiously awaiting a transcript or audio link ...


122 posted on 10/05/2011 3:25:33 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Cain is much more presidential than Palin..you need to reseach his speeches and interviews especially on the Glenn Beck show today."

"Have to go out of town or would take the time to find it for you."

Thanks for the offer - I will do that.

123 posted on 10/05/2011 3:26:30 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: jackibutterfly

Came back as it appeared in my e-mail.

Perhaps you or someone can post it as a story.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/10/05/glenn-interviews-2012-candidate-herman-cain/

Thanks!!


124 posted on 10/05/2011 3:41:55 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

Thanks a lot - appreciate your help.


125 posted on 10/05/2011 6:40:38 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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