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Herman Cain's gaffes undermine his credibility
Conservative Home USA ^ | 10/23/2011 | Conservative Home USA

Posted on 10/23/2011 1:32:35 PM PDT by rzman21

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Confucius once said that you don’t mean what you say unless you say what you mean. But increasingly Herman Cain has shown a difficulty in conveying what he really means.

And this becomes even more crucial as Cain’s views fall under the microscope that he largely avoided prior to unleashing his stroke of marketing genius with his 9-9-9 plan.

But pitfalls such as the details of that plan or his stance on abortion show he either hasn’t thought through his strategy or recognized the need to message discipline. He showed excellent discipline as recently as earlier this month when MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell attacked him for not having participated in the civil rights marches or the Vietnam War in the 1960s.

“The danger of anyone becoming president without any political experience is not just that he doesn't know many things, but that he doesn't know what he doesn't know. Cain has an additional problem: He doesn't know what he thinks,” writes columnist Steve Chapman at TownHall.com. “Not that he is bashful or tentative in expressing his opinions. On the contrary, he is all blunt candor and glib certitude. The problem comes only afterward, when he has to take responsibility for what he said.”

Abortion is the is key issue apart from gay marriage for social conservatives, and Cain cannot afford to give muddled answers.

Answers like abortion is “ultimately the decision that a family or mother [to] make” and that government shouldn’t be involved in the decision don’t cut it. People want clarity, not someone who sounds like a politician and who takes both sides on every issue.

Until now, Cain’s biggest selling point has been his willingness to tell people like it is and not sound like a politician. But now unless he learns message discipline, he will flame out and become “the flavor of the week.”

If Cain wants to win, he needs message discipline and needs it now because he will not just find himself outclassed by Mitt Romney or Rick Perry. He will find he can’t keep up with the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue or his dirty-tricks squad.

It’s now or never.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; gaffes; hermancain

1 posted on 10/23/2011 1:32:40 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: rzman21

Oh, please.


2 posted on 10/23/2011 1:35:30 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: rzman21

Well there you go! I’m voting for Mitt! /sarc


3 posted on 10/23/2011 1:36:11 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: rzman21

Attack Perry, Attack Bachman, Attack Cain, but say nothing about Romneys Obama care for Mass.

I have to pick someone to vote for and it won’t be Romney.


4 posted on 10/23/2011 1:37:26 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: rzman21

Here we go again...
When Bachmann was in the lead, the media tore her down, then Perry, now Cain.. The media will keep doing this, and many here seem to be willing participants, until Romney is nominated.


5 posted on 10/23/2011 1:38:41 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: fightinJAG

What I’m getting from my friends and neighbors is that they like the fact that he isn’t a polished politician. He’s real and he’s been out here among the little people in the real world.


6 posted on 10/23/2011 1:39:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: rzman21

Is it just me, or is Herman Cain the only presidential candidate whose credibility is “undermined” by his “gaffes”?

I suppose Mittens’ credibility is not undermined by his flip flops, neither is Perry’s undermined by his attendance at a La Raza meeting.

As far as I’m concerned, the only thing I would consider a “gaffe” at this point is 999, but I know that Mr. Cain is smart enough to be malleable on something like that.

It’s as if the press is turning up the heat on Cain for non-issues, because they have nothing else, and they just want to see if he can take the heat, even though it’s for made-up stuff.


7 posted on 10/23/2011 1:39:46 PM PDT by Westbrook
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To: rzman21

Not voting for RINO Romney...no way...no how!


8 posted on 10/23/2011 1:41:59 PM PDT by rhinohunter
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To: mnehring
Exactly!

These people are human beings. If everything we said was scrutinized (especially by these slimes in he MSM) what would others think about us?

It is beyond disgusting watching conservatives dutifully following the media and Leftists narrative. They must laugh their a$$es off at us at times.

9 posted on 10/23/2011 1:42:53 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: rzman21

BS


10 posted on 10/23/2011 1:43:27 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

NTSA.
11 posted on 10/23/2011 1:43:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: cripplecreek

Which one of the candidates is a polished politician?

And what is the criteria for being considered polished?


12 posted on 10/23/2011 1:47:11 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: Westbrook
“It’s as if the press is turning up the heat on Cain for non-issues, because they have nothing else, and they just want to see if he can take the heat, even though it’s for made-up stuff.”
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I'll add to this and say they are scared sh*tless of Cain. Think about it; a successful Black Conservative. This has the potential for the Black Community to NO longer see themselves as victims on the White Liberal Plantation...and they simply cannot allow this to happen without a fight.

13 posted on 10/23/2011 1:47:40 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Westbrook

Yeah they’ve been saying that “gaffes” will destroy a politician for as long as I can remember.

When John Engler was running for governor of Michigan the first time, he declared that he would “drive his Oldsmobile to Mackinaw Island”. He served 3 terms as governor of Michigan.


14 posted on 10/23/2011 1:47:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: rzman21
Herman Cain's gaffes undermine his credibility

You mean like when he said he wants to visit all 57 US states?

15 posted on 10/23/2011 1:48:39 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Westbrook
As far as I’m concerned, the only thing I would consider a “gaffe” at this point is 999, but I know that Mr. Cain is smart enough to be malleable on something like that.

That's another good point. I like the fact that he isn't so rigid that he can't adjust to the realities. Absolute opposite of Obama.
16 posted on 10/23/2011 1:50:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: rzman21

Cain’s “gaffes” are just imperfect solutions expressed imperfectly. Maybe I missed the news that Mittzy, perry, or Obumo have achieved perfection. I think Herman is the classiest out there - normal guy, very intelligent, bold yet somewhat humble.


17 posted on 10/23/2011 1:52:07 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: Westbrook

Better to have someone who trips over his words, than someone who skips over his conscience. :-)


18 posted on 10/23/2011 1:52:30 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Artcore
It is beyond disgusting watching conservatives dutifully following the media and Leftists narrative. They must laugh their a$$es off at us at times.

What's the problem? Why is beyond disgusting - it is nothing new - it's been going on non stop for three years with the media and in Palin threads and, authors, like Joe McGinnis. What's this - only one week for Cain? This is child's play.
19 posted on 10/23/2011 1:53:08 PM PDT by presently no screen name (NO OBAMITT in '12)
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To: rzman21
Cain's credibility has taken some hits in the last week or so based on his poor choice of words and his ever evolving political agenda. Whether it be the illegal bug zapper fence, his daily updates on his abortion stance or the changes to his 999/909 tax plan, Cain can only blame himself. Without a governing or legislative record to be judged on, all Cain has left is his political rhetoric. Hard to sustain a campign on words alone. The fellow in the WH right now knows that better than anyone. Just words, just don't cut it!
20 posted on 10/23/2011 1:53:19 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: rzman21

What gaffs?


21 posted on 10/23/2011 1:53:38 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: presently no screen name

Good point.


22 posted on 10/23/2011 1:56:07 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: rzman21

So what? His poll numbers just continue to rise...


23 posted on 10/23/2011 1:56:07 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: rzman21

Horsecrap and all this ‘article’ does is rehash an AP opinion piece from Friday...another trash post from a trash blogger.


24 posted on 10/23/2011 1:56:19 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: rzman21
Conservative Home USA

WTF is this? Some lame new basement blog? Pathetic.

25 posted on 10/23/2011 1:56:28 PM PDT by montag813
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To: rzman21
That does it for me. I'm voting for the gaffe-free candidate.

I guess I'll stay home. They're all gaffe machines.

Any one of us who had cameras and mikes stuffed in our faces all day long, with people firing gotya questions at us, would be gaffe machines.

If a candidate doesn't commit gaffes, does that necessarily mean they're a good candidate? Or, could it mean they're a more accomplished liar with a better memory?

26 posted on 10/23/2011 1:56:59 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: cripplecreek

I read one pundit who said, and I thought it was a good insight, that Cain’s lack of political experience won’t be a problem for him as President, but it may from time to time trip him on the campaign trail.


27 posted on 10/23/2011 2:01:05 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG
I read one pundit who said, and I thought it was a good insight, that Cain’s lack of political experience won’t be a problem for him as President, but it may from time to time trip him on the campaign trail.

You nailed it, Cripple Creek.

This is the downside of not being a professional politician.

28 posted on 10/23/2011 2:15:30 PM PDT by Silverfiddle (Stand With The Heroes, Fight The Zeroes!)
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29 posted on 10/23/2011 2:39:02 PM PDT by onyx (You're here on FR, so support it! Compiling New Sarah Ping List. Let me know if you want on it.)
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To: rzman21

I’ll outbid all Cain’s gaffs with one word: Obama.

That word is the daddy of all gaffs.


30 posted on 10/23/2011 3:09:40 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Silverfiddle

Time to kick off the “DRAFT PALIN” movement.


31 posted on 10/23/2011 3:11:04 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin for Emperor of Earth!)
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To: fightinJAG

Has Obama’s lack of political experience been a problem for him?

Yes it has

Will Cain’s lack of political experience be a problem for him?

Yes it will

But then I find the “999” plan to be a annoying in the extreme. It reminds me too much of the cheap marketing ploy of pricing something with a 99 for the last two digits so people who aren’t real bright will by it.

I suspect that Herman has priced pizza at $9.99 in the past and old habits die hard.


32 posted on 10/23/2011 3:23:37 PM PDT by Sir Lurks Alot
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To: rzman21

Interesting this is coming from Conservative Home given Cain is about far more conservative as many, if not all, of the GOP candidates.....=.=


33 posted on 10/23/2011 3:32:42 PM PDT by cranked
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To: rzman21
Answers like abortion is “ultimately the decision that a family or mother [to] make”

This sleazoid should either produce a verbatim quote indicating that Cain said that or shut his foul mouth. Herman Cain said nothing of the kind. His pro-life credentials are unimpeachable. He's put his own money behind them, which is more than you can say about any other candidate.

Someone with tons of money is orchestrating this lie about Cain. Someone like Romney, Perry, or their assassins.

34 posted on 10/23/2011 3:47:17 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: rzman21
Answers like abortion is “ultimately the decision that a family or mother [to] make”

This sleazoid should either produce a verbatim quote indicating that Cain said that or shut his foul mouth. Herman Cain said nothing of the kind. His pro-life credentials are unimpeachable. He's put his own money behind them, which is more than you can say about any other candidate.

Someone with tons of money is orchestrating this lie about Cain. Someone like Romney, Perry, or their assassins.

35 posted on 10/23/2011 3:47:17 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Sir Lurks Alot
Has Obama’s lack of political experience been a problem for him?

Yes it has

Will Cain’s lack of political experience be a problem for him?

Yes it will

Sorry. I strongly disagree.

It's not Obama's lack of political experience that has been a problem for him or, more importantly, for the nation. It is WHO HE IS and WHAT HIS WORLDVIEW IS that has been a complete and utter disaster for the nation.

And this would have been a disaster for the nation no matter how much political experience Obama had had.

Likewise, Cain's lack of political experience will not necessarily be a problem for him or the nation (at least in the White House; it's more of a brouhaha-maker on the campaign trail, though). What's important to how a man governs is WHO HE IS and WHAT HIS WORLDVIEW IS.

36 posted on 10/23/2011 4:31:17 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: rzman21
Abortion is the is key issue apart from gay marriage for social conservatives

Dead wrong. Abortion is about life, and life is the premier right. Gay marriage is about a natural and a healthy culture, so it's very important. However, without Life, you aren't worrying about anything else. You're dead.

Cain has some explaining to do, but he needs to do it thoughtfully.

He is right that LIFE is a personal decision. Where he went wrong is that the LIFE in question was not the life of the mother, or the life of the family. It was the life of a unique little human being who had not been convicted by a jury of his/her peers.

37 posted on 10/23/2011 4:41:27 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: rzman21

There isn’t a single one of them gaffe free.

I am sick of it.

How about obama’s string of gaffes?


38 posted on 10/23/2011 4:43:10 PM PDT by dforest
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To: cripplecreek

If “gaffes” destroy a candidate, then why is Perry still around? He’s almost as bad as Biden


39 posted on 10/23/2011 5:39:03 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: indylindy

The point of the article is that Cain needs to be more conscious of what he says or rather how he says it.

If I have a choice of the three top-tiered candidates, I’d vote for Cain. But message discipline is what got Reagan elected in 1980.

He had better learn it, or he will become yesterday’s news.

One can support a candidate, but that doesn’t mean turning them into an idol.


40 posted on 10/23/2011 7:19:04 PM PDT by rzman21
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To: Gargantua
Time to kick off the “DRAFT PALIN” movement.

Why would you want to try something like that? You're on the record for having said that Sarah "lost her spine", you want a spineless leader in the White House?

We've already got that right now.
41 posted on 10/25/2011 3:06:09 PM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: mkjessup

Why bring your mother into this? I would never do that, and neither should you.


42 posted on 10/25/2011 3:26:39 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin for Emperor of Earth!)
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To: Gargantua
Try again loser:

"I remember the Iowa speech where Sarah laid out for us all "her policy platform" for bringing manufacturing back to the U.S., and ending Crony Capitalism.

Too bad she lost her spine. We're screwed.

"SarahPAC" = "Sarah—Potato, Armchair/Couch."

Keep sniping from the sidelines, Sarah. Your country might have a year or two left."
14 posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 7:19:37 PM by Gargantua


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2796217/posts?page=14#14

Don't you have a dinghy to catch for the Caribbean? That's where you said you were going after Sarah declined to run for President.

(personally I don't blame her, fanatical idol worshipers like you are probably one of the reasons she decided NOT to run)
43 posted on 10/25/2011 5:15:39 PM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: mkjessup
So she said I'm the better kisser... big deal. Get over it. Believe me, it'll eat you up inside if you can't just get past it and move on. I have.

;^)

44 posted on 10/25/2011 5:39:59 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin for Emperor of Earth!)
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To: Gargantua

Seek professional help.


45 posted on 10/25/2011 5:48:34 PM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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To: mkjessup

Goo-goo. Bwahh.


46 posted on 10/25/2011 6:28:20 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin for Emperor of Earth!)
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To: Gargantua

How the mighty have fallen, LOL

Get to bed dammit.


47 posted on 10/25/2011 6:36:28 PM PDT by mkjessup (Is Herman Cain the best conservative candidate? If you say "no", then tell me who IS!!)
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