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Should Michigan Taxpayers Have Been Forced to Spend $30 Million on 'Iron Man 3'?
Michigan Capitol Confidential ^ | 10/25/2011 | Tom Gantert

Posted on 10/25/2011 11:32:27 AM PDT by MichCapCon

News reports state the movie makers of "Iron Man 3" left Michigan for North Carolina because Michigan wouldn’t meet demands for up to $30 million in incentives for the production company.

While Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville, R-Monroe, implied Gov. Rick Snyder’s administration made a mistake in losing Iron Man 3, the Mackinac Center for Public Policy’s James Hohman says politicians should have much higher priorities for state tax dollars.

For instance, Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy, estimated that 4,892 families that were kicked off welfare this year could get assistance again with $30 million.

Also, it would take all the tax receipts of nearly 2,000 small businesses to pay for that $30 million subsidy, Hohman estimated.

Sen. Richardville said negotiations for film tax incentives were ongoing to bring a Steven Spielberg movie to Michigan. Spielberg’s net worth is estimated to be $3 billion.

“Legislators have serious prioritization problems if they would rather give $30 million to Steven Spielberg than to improve Michigan's business climate or bolster its human service programs,” Hohman said.

(Excerpt) Read more at michigancapitolconfidential.com ...


TOPICS: Government; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: film; movies; subsidies
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1 posted on 10/25/2011 11:32:33 AM PDT by MichCapCon
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Should Michigan Taxpayers Have Been Forced to Spend $30 Million on 'Iron Man 3'?

Not after the crap that was Iron Man 2

2 posted on 10/25/2011 11:34:23 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage

I thought IM2 was ok.

But I guess to give $30 million dollars in tax credits, the film company was prepared to spend enough to generate at least $30 million in tax revenue.

I doubt that.


3 posted on 10/25/2011 11:37:41 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: MichCapCon

They’re making a third Iron Man? Cool!


4 posted on 10/25/2011 11:39:47 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Puppage

—Not after the crap that was Iron Man 2—

It wasn’t that bad. It was fun light entertainment.


5 posted on 10/25/2011 11:40:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MichCapCon
Why would the taxpayers of any state want to subsidize Hollyweird??
I think "Jersy Shore" was getting a million from the NJ taxpayers whose reputation were the victim of its smears.
6 posted on 10/25/2011 11:41:32 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Jonty30

—But I guess to give $30 million dollars in tax credits, the film company was prepared to spend enough to generate at least $30 million in tax revenue.—

I don’t think that is the right way to look at it. If they had not been given the tax credits they would not have made the movie there. That means zero dollars. But they did make the movie there, and it no doubt increased the money coming in, if just for meals and gas for those involved. They probably bought some nice clothing from time to time and maybe gambled a little at Greek Town.


7 posted on 10/25/2011 11:42:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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I am sure they created some minimum-scale jobs that lasted a few weeks though.

lol


8 posted on 10/25/2011 11:43:25 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: cuban leaf

My entire post talks in the wrong context. I was talking AS IF Michigan had granted the tax credit. Sorry about that...


9 posted on 10/25/2011 11:44:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MichCapCon

Occupy Hollywood....those rich aren’t paying their fair share.


10 posted on 10/25/2011 11:44:36 AM PDT by dfwgator
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Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy, estimated that 4,892 families that were kicked off welfare this year could get assistance again with $30 million.

Oh,yeah....there's some stimulus for ya!
11 posted on 10/25/2011 11:45:15 AM PDT by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: cuban leaf

The tax payers should not be funding business. period. Not Solyndra, not Hollyweird.


12 posted on 10/25/2011 11:45:24 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MichCapCon

Not unless we get royalties.


13 posted on 10/25/2011 11:50:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: MichCapCon

Put Bill Richardson in some red and pink tights, and send him in as the hero to arbitrate the problem. He was a big friend of Hollywood while governor of New Mexico.


14 posted on 10/25/2011 11:52:20 AM PDT by pallis
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The tax payers should not be funding business. period. Not Solyndra, not Hollyweird.

Michael Moore agreed.......and then he took a million dollar subsidy himself.
15 posted on 10/25/2011 11:53:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: GeronL

—The tax payers should not be funding business. period. Not Solyndra, not Hollyweird.—

You won’t get any argument from me. I feel the same way about professional sports, btw.


16 posted on 10/25/2011 11:59:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I think Ironman 3 has a different director.


17 posted on 10/25/2011 12:26:24 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: cuban leaf
I don’t think that is the right way to look at it. If they had not been given the tax credits they would not have made the movie there. That means zero dollars. But they did make the movie there, and it no doubt increased the money coming in, if just for meals and gas for those involved. They probably bought some nice clothing from time to time and maybe gambled a little at Greek Town.

Bingo! Thanks for nailing the crux of the situation.

The state is not literally taking money out of a general fund and giving it to the filmmakers! In shooting a film with a budget presumably around $200 million, the filmmakers were asking about a competitive discount typical in many other states for the very purpose of drawing in movie production dollars. These discounts tend to be a flat amount or a percentage of the entire budget when completed.

Just presuming that $30 million is 25% of a $120 million on-location shoot (the other $75 mil being post-production, star salaries, etc.) Michigan missed out on $90 mil worth of taxable business operations.

One more thing: films tend to make mini-tourist attractions via their location choices. While most tend to be short-lived some of the more famous ones (think "Rocky" and the stairs in Philly) tend to take on a life of their own. Woodstock, IL reaped the ongoing tourist benefit by allowing the filming of "Groundhog Day" in their small town after the powers-that-be in the similarly-sized "Weather Capitol of the World," Punxsutawney, PA., turned down a bid to film in their hamlet a movie that highlights exponentially the very object of their economic health, Phil the Groundhog.

18 posted on 10/25/2011 12:26:47 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Obi-Wan Palin: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.")
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To: GeronL
Michigan was not “funding” Iron Man 3 - they were either going to give it a tax credit (and thus collect less in taxes) or not give it a tax credit (and thus collect the full amount in taxes - that being ZERO if the movie makers decide to NOT film in Michigan).

So you have three scenarios - none of which involve Michigan funding the making of Iron Man 3.

Scenario A: Michigan gives a tax credit and money is spent in Michigan but 30$ million in taxes that might otherwise be collected is not collected.

Scenario B: Michigan doesn't give a tax credit and money is spent in Michigan and 30$ million in taxes IS collected by the State government of Michigan.

Scenario C: Michigan doesn't give a tax credit and the money is NOT spent in Michigan and Michigan collects nada, nothing, zip, zilch, zero.

Now the libtard idiots think Scenario B is the best, not realizing that Scenario C is much much much more likely.

Follow?

19 posted on 10/25/2011 12:33:05 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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If tax breaks work, then make them blanket and uniform for everyone.


20 posted on 10/25/2011 12:39:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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