Skip to comments.Legacy: Was Steve Jobs a selfish son of a bitch?
Posted on 10/26/2011 4:51:10 PM PDT by Starman417
Steve Jobs passed away earlier this month with an estimated fortune of $8 billion. I have yet to see a single report about one single dollar that he gave away to charity. How is it possible that a person who was lucky enough to be born and grow up in the United States and take advantage of our laws, schools, infrastructure and patent protections could be so selfish? Compare his lack of philanthropic giving with that of other similarly rich types, past and present. Andrew Carnegie gave away virtually his entire fortune, over $350 million dollars during his lifetime $5 billion in todays dollars. John D. Rockefeller gave away over half a billion dollars over his lifetime $8 billion in todays dollars. Bill Gates has given away over $30 billion dollars and promised to give away most of the rest of his fortune while his friend Warren Buffett has promised to donate 99% of his wealth. The pair has created The Giving Pledge where billionaires pledge to donate a significant amount of their fortunes to charity. If all of these people can give this amount away, what was wrong with Jobs?
Charity and private giving has been a great force in America since its founding. Through churches and local organizations for those of modest means to building libraries, museums, or foundations for the wealthy, America has been a country where the successful and struggling alike look to support their communities as well as support the less fortunate around the world.
Apparently not so for Steve Jobs however and charitys not the only place he was tight. When he was alive he did everything he could to reduce his taxes. He used tax shelters to lower his tax rate from 35% to around 15% on millions. He put his real estate and other assets in trusts so they would escape the death tax.
Everywhere you look Steve Jobs was doing what he could to keep his own money. Not giving it away. Avoiding paying taxes. All while hes taking advantage of everything America has to offer.
Whats wrong with a person who sees the misery going on around the world, from hunger in Africa to millions of poor here and does nothing to lend a hand? What kind of legacy is that?
When the robber baron Andrew Carnegie died his legacy was obvious. He had built thousands of libraries around the world, founded a university and built Carnegie Hall. By the time he died, JD Rockefeller had remade the face of modern medicine and created what was for years the largest charitable foundation in the world. Bill Gates is still very much alive, and he is remaking the face of charity. What kind of legacy is Steve Jobs leaving?
In 1977 he and Steve Wozniak introduced the Apple II, the first fully assembled personal computer. At the time the notion of a personal computer was an utterly foreign concept to 99.9% of the people on the planet. Term papers were still being written on typewriters. Math was still being done on calculators. Research was still done at the library.
In 1984 Apple introduced the Mac, the first personal computer to feature a mouse and graphic user interface. At the time most others still used the C: prompt.
In 1986 when he purchased Pixar, it was primarily a high-end computer hardware company with graphics as a side note.
In 2001 when Apple introduced the iPod, digital music was just becoming popular but most digital players were big and clunky or small and useless.
In 2003 when Apple introduced the iTunes Store the music industry was imploding and college students were being sued in their dorms.
In 2007 when Apple introduced the iPhone few people were able to surf the Internet on their phone and most competitors products were poorly designed and performed similarly.
In 2010 when Apple introduced the iPad, it essentially created the market, selling 5 times more than the rest of the devices combined.
Looking at all of this, the question to ask is, is Steve Jobs legacy going to be that he didnt care about other people because he didnt give his money away or let the government take it? Or is it going to be the fact that he changed the world and gave people something that is far more precious than money more of their own time.
(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...
He bough a grand piano for the lobby of the Bandley Dr building just so my then roommate could play it.
You tell me, is that the action of a selfish son of a bitch?
HE didn't give money to horrible liberal charities that would work to make life miserable for conservatives.
That's good enough for me. Hats off to Jobs - may the rest of the US wake up and STOP funding liberal nonprofits.
>> there are entire industries that were built out of what came out of his brain, employing many thousands who, because of Jobs can make their way in the world with no need for charity.
I cut my teeth programming on the Mac, in 1985. I’m by no means an Apple cult worshipper now, but even twenty-five years ago it was apparent that Steve Jobs was not only a genius, but one who knew how to get things DONE. That is an exceptionally rare talent set that the world will miss going forward.
Jobs will always have my profound respect.
Selfish son of a bitch? Dont know. Doesnt matter. A model for prosperity and improving the human condition now thats a legacy worth leaving.
Ya get it now?
Is this satire?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your logic. He didn't buy it - Apple leased it, and then wrote it off. And the reason he did it was because he was in an internal war with the Apple II group at the time, who he was demonizing as stupid, uncouth, mouth-breathing losers compared to the Mac group. That's why he got them pianos and fruit drinks and massages and all the other perks, to show up the other group.
As for the rest of this thread - the idea that as long as he earned his money in a way that didn't get him thrown in jail, it means he was a stand-up guy - pretty much sums up every caracature of conservatives the liberals scream about. Not to mention the Christian absurdity: "And Jesus spake, "go thou and makest billions while avoiding the dungeon, and let no man therefore claim ye foul at heart, for thy money cleansest thee in the eyes of God."
Now what chapter and verse was that from?
Great purity seems sullied
1st You are a Plick.
2nd I knew Jobs and Woz. Nice guys each with their own very unique personalities.
It ain’t none of your business what he or they or anyone did or does for charity or humanity.
Jobs and Woz have done plenty for charity and even supported my charities.
Why don’t you do something productive like get a job IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR and produce something of value.
Even if you are a ditch digger, at the end of the day you can look down at the hole you dug and say “That’s my Hole and I’m proud of it”.
Your class warfare, worry and envy of others is pathetic and demostrates your lack of character in your uninformed and bogus attempt to smear a man’s name.
WTF did he ever do to you?
Hey Nully! Didn’t realize you knew him as well.
You are right. Jobs was a nice guy.
The author of this pathetic screed is a total loser.
Maybe he was miserly with his charity, but through 2004, he’s on record of contributing over $200,000 to the Democrat Party and several Dem candidates, including Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi, and Teddy Kennedy.
Great post. (Also kind of a clever choice of an excerpt. A good way to learn how many posters read the whole thing before commenting. Most failed to realize the article is a tribute and not a hit piece.)
Good for him. If he doesn’t want to waste his money on some scam of a charity, he shouldn’t have to. As for minimizing taxes - again, good for him.
Jobs did take stabs at setting up a foundation and other philanthropic projects, but business took up too much of his time.
As head of Apple he was taking a $1 a year salary. I know, I know, he had millions and millions, but still it's an indication that money wasn't everything for him.
We'll find out over time if Steve Jobs made large contributions and what charities he made them too.
P.S. Watch out for emails purporting to be from the "Steve Jobs Charitable Foundation." They're a scam.
You don’t get to the top without being selfish.
Charity is not high on the list of virtues in Budhism.
I never met him.
Talking about education in a Smithsonian interview 16 years ago, he argued there was a lack of competition, that unions and bureaucrats had robbed it of market competition. He stated be believed in equal opportunity, not outcome. He wanted vouchers and merit-based teacher retention, not monopolies and tenure.
I detest the "look-at-me-aint-i-grand" thing. It's even worse with Bill Gates because his idea of "charity" is Planned Parenthood and the UN population fund.
The meaning of the article went way over your head. Doesn’t matter who you know I guess.
Steve Jobs made money the old-fashioned way: he earned it. If he wanted to give it away or not, it was his prerogative to do with his fortune as he saw fit. Everyone else can just go pound sand.
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