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Legacy: Was Steve Jobs a selfish son of a bitch?
Flopping Aces ^ | 10-26-11 | Vince

Posted on 10/26/2011 4:51:10 PM PDT by Starman417

Steve Jobs passed away earlier this month with an estimated fortune of $8 billion. I have yet to see a single report about one single dollar that he gave away to charity. How is it possible that a person who was lucky enough to be born and grow up in the United States and take advantage of our laws, schools, infrastructure and patent protections could be so selfish? Compare his lack of philanthropic giving with that of other similarly rich types, past and present. Andrew Carnegie gave away virtually his entire fortune, over $350 million dollars during his lifetime – $5 billion in today’s dollars. John D. Rockefeller gave away over half a billion dollars over his lifetime – $8 billion in today’s dollars. Bill Gates has given away over $30 billion dollars and promised to give away most of the rest of his fortune while his friend Warren Buffett has promised to donate 99% of his wealth. The pair has created The Giving Pledge where billionaires pledge to donate a significant amount of their fortunes to charity. If all of these people can give this amount away, what was wrong with Jobs?

Charity and private giving has been a great force in America since its founding. Through churches and local organizations for those of modest means to building libraries, museums, or foundations for the wealthy, America has been a country where the successful and struggling alike look to support their communities as well as support the less fortunate around the world.

Apparently not so for Steve Jobs however… and charity’s not the only place he was tight. When he was alive he did everything he could to reduce his taxes. He used tax shelters to lower his tax rate from 35% to around 15% on millions. He put his real estate and other assets in trusts so they would escape the death tax.

Everywhere you look Steve Jobs was doing what he could to keep his own money. Not giving it away. Avoiding paying taxes. All while he’s taking advantage of everything America has to offer.

What’s wrong with a person who sees the misery going on around the world, from hunger in Africa to millions of poor here and does nothing to lend a hand? What kind of legacy is that?

When the robber baron Andrew Carnegie died his legacy was obvious. He had built thousands of libraries around the world, founded a university and built Carnegie Hall. By the time he died, JD Rockefeller had remade the face of modern medicine and created what was for years the largest charitable foundation in the world. Bill Gates is still very much alive, and he is remaking the face of charity. What kind of legacy is Steve Jobs leaving?

In 1977 he and Steve Wozniak introduced the Apple II, the first fully assembled personal computer. At the time the notion of a personal computer was an utterly foreign concept to 99.9% of the people on the planet. Term papers were still being written on typewriters. Math was still being done on calculators. Research was still done at the library.

In 1984 Apple introduced the Mac, the first personal computer to feature a mouse and graphic user interface. At the time most others still used the C: prompt.

In 1986 when he purchased Pixar, it was primarily a high-end computer hardware company with graphics as a side note.

In 2001 when Apple introduced the iPod, digital music was just becoming popular but most digital players were “big and clunky or small and useless”.

In 2003 when Apple introduced the iTunes Store the music industry was imploding and college students were being sued in their dorms.

In 2007 when Apple introduced the iPhone few people were able to surf the Internet on their phone and most competitors’ products were poorly designed and performed similarly.

In 2010 when Apple introduced the iPad, it essentially created the market, selling 5 times more than the rest of the devices combined.

Looking at all of this, the question to ask is, is Steve Job’s legacy going to be that he didn’t care about other people because he didn’t give his money away or let the government take it? Or is it going to be the fact that he changed the world and gave people something that is far more precious than money… more of their own time.

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1 posted on 10/26/2011 4:51:15 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Um.. it’s his money (or was)to do with as he pleases.


2 posted on 10/26/2011 4:54:56 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Starman417
Wow, the guy is barely cold and people are kicking him in the groin...
3 posted on 10/26/2011 4:56:17 PM PDT by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: Starman417

Does the Pope wear a big hat ? and....so what...


4 posted on 10/26/2011 4:56:57 PM PDT by stylin19a (obama -> poster boy for Einstein's definition of insanity)
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To: Starman417

He was a very private person, so we won’t probably know about any charities he gave to for a while, if ever. Besides it was his money and he provided employment to many.


5 posted on 10/26/2011 4:58:47 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: Mmogamer

the man who wrote the All Creatures Great and Small series James Herriot came in for the same sort of whining by the leftist snivelers in Britian.


6 posted on 10/26/2011 4:59:39 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Popman
"Looking at all of this, the question to ask is, is Steve Job’s legacy going to be that he didn’t care about other people because he didn’t give his money away or let the government take it? Or is it going to be the fact that he changed the world and gave people something that is far more precious than money… more of their own time."


7 posted on 10/26/2011 4:59:46 PM PDT by kenavi (Raise taxes on the "fortunate few": lottery-winners.)
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To: Starman417

Who cares? The man’s dead, and everyone who wants an iThingie can buy one, with a little effort. Everyone should stop using him as an excuse for their private agenda screeds.


8 posted on 10/26/2011 5:00:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You can tell them I just sailed away.)
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To: Starman417

Don’t think for a minute that Bill Gates is not a selfish sob as well. When he gives away ALL his money he can lay claim to being charitable.

But, don’t miscontrue me here; he’s under NO obligation to do so. But let’s not be duped by liberal hypocrisy. It’s bad enough we’re saddled with that bum Obama.


9 posted on 10/26/2011 5:01:25 PM PDT by veritas2002
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To: Mmogamer

As my Dad used to say, a Kennedy is somebody who wants to give YOUR money to the poor and be called generous for doing it.


10 posted on 10/26/2011 5:01:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: Starman417

Where’d it all go? Maybe his wife? Maybe she’ll donate something.


11 posted on 10/26/2011 5:01:59 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Chickensoup

Really? They were upset that he didn’t donate all his earnings to animal-rights lunacy or something? FReep ‘em, bunch of losers.


12 posted on 10/26/2011 5:02:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You can tell them I just sailed away.)
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To: Starman417
I have yet to see a single report about one single dollar that he gave away to charity

How about we wait until his estate goes thou probate and his will is made public...

OTOH, he is a liberal and they are notorious cheapsakes

13 posted on 10/26/2011 5:02:17 PM PDT by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: Starman417

Was he selfish? No. Steve Jobs gave more than he got.

Total non sequitur follows. I’m about his age, and I’ve given some thought to his question: Would I have traded places with him at birth, knowing what I know now?

My answer is “no”.

Let him rest in peace, though. He lived a full and very productive life.


14 posted on 10/26/2011 5:04:31 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Starman417

He was probably too busy investing the money and creating wealth to give it away. Praise for sane capitalists like Jobs.


15 posted on 10/26/2011 5:07:02 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Starman417
The deconstruction has begun...
Maybe he was giving without telling anyone or may he realized that charities are futile. I don't know.
Ether way, he worked for his money and donating to charities was voluntary last time I checked.

16 posted on 10/26/2011 5:08:32 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Nervous Tick

He was a lib, who got substantial government bennies from the government selling his computers in their classes.

I would be surprised if he did give anything.


17 posted on 10/26/2011 5:08:43 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Nervous Tick
Steve Jobs gave more than he got

Absolutely. It's beyond Ipod and Ipad - there are entire industries that were built out of what came out of his brain, employing many thousands who, because of Jobs can make their way in the world with no need for charity.

To which liberals reply, "d@mnit!"

18 posted on 10/26/2011 5:11:18 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" ...H Cain.."to correct the last one" MGM)
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To: Starman417
Apparently not so for Steve Jobs however… and charity’s not the only place he was tight. When he was alive he did everything he could to reduce his taxes. He used tax shelters to lower his tax rate from 35% to around 15% on millions. He put his real estate and other assets in trusts so they would escape the death tax.

Everywhere you look Steve Jobs was doing what he could to keep his own money. Not giving it away. Avoiding paying taxes. All while he’s taking advantage of everything America has to offer.


I guess I'm a selfish son of a bitch, I may not have Jobs' billions, but these are all things I'm trying to do.

As for that last bit, "All while he’s taking advantage of everything America has to offer.", I bet Jobs, and myself and a lot of other FReepers have probably paid more in taxes than the writer of this article has made in his life.
19 posted on 10/26/2011 5:11:56 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Starman417

Because he was generally a lefty, Jobs seems to have been a bit of mixed bag. But the fact that he didn’t go out and create a look-at-me-aint-i-grand charity actually makes me have more respect for him.


20 posted on 10/26/2011 5:14:30 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Starman417

He bough a grand piano for the lobby of the Bandley Dr building just so my then roommate could play it.

You tell me, is that the action of a selfish son of a bitch?


21 posted on 10/26/2011 5:20:07 PM PDT by null and void (MSGT Dean Hopkins USMC (ret) WWII-Korea-Vietnam 11/9/1925-10/22/2011 My hero, my Dad)
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To: Starman417
Jobs gave me the ability to own an ipod.

HE didn't give money to horrible liberal charities that would work to make life miserable for conservatives.

That's good enough for me. Hats off to Jobs - may the rest of the US wake up and STOP funding liberal nonprofits.

22 posted on 10/26/2011 5:20:57 PM PDT by GOPJ (OWS - a scam to shift blame for unemployment and misery away from Obama..)
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To: Mygirlsmom

>> there are entire industries that were built out of what came out of his brain, employing many thousands who, because of Jobs can make their way in the world with no need for charity.

I cut my teeth programming on the Mac, in 1985. I’m by no means an Apple cult worshipper now, but even twenty-five years ago it was apparent that Steve Jobs was not only a genius, but one who knew how to get things DONE. That is an exceptionally rare talent set that the world will miss going forward.

Jobs will always have my profound respect.

FRegards


23 posted on 10/26/2011 5:21:24 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Starman417
I think most on this thread have misread this piece. Perhaps the final line will make it clear the point this guy is trying to make:

Selfish son of a bitch? Don’t know. Doesn’t matter. A model for prosperity and improving the human condition… now that’s a legacy worth leaving.

Ya get it now?

24 posted on 10/26/2011 5:26:16 PM PDT by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: Starman417

Is this satire?


25 posted on 10/26/2011 5:26:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: null and void
He bough a grand piano for the lobby of the Bandley Dr building just so my then roommate could play it. You tell me, is that the action of a selfish son of a bitch?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your logic. He didn't buy it - Apple leased it, and then wrote it off. And the reason he did it was because he was in an internal war with the Apple II group at the time, who he was demonizing as stupid, uncouth, mouth-breathing losers compared to the Mac group. That's why he got them pianos and fruit drinks and massages and all the other perks, to show up the other group.

As for the rest of this thread - the idea that as long as he earned his money in a way that didn't get him thrown in jail, it means he was a stand-up guy - pretty much sums up every caracature of conservatives the liberals scream about. Not to mention the Christian absurdity: "And Jesus spake, "go thou and makest billions while avoiding the dungeon, and let no man therefore claim ye foul at heart, for thy money cleansest thee in the eyes of God."

Now what chapter and verse was that from?

26 posted on 10/26/2011 5:32:44 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker

Great purity seems sullied


27 posted on 10/26/2011 5:35:44 PM PDT by null and void (MSGT Dean Hopkins USMC (ret) WWII-Korea-Vietnam 11/9/1925-10/22/2011 My hero, my Dad)
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To: Starman417

1st You are a Plick.
2nd I knew Jobs and Woz. Nice guys each with their own very unique personalities.
It ain’t none of your business what he or they or anyone did or does for charity or humanity.

Jobs and Woz have done plenty for charity and even supported my charities.

Why don’t you do something productive like get a job IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR and produce something of value.

Even if you are a ditch digger, at the end of the day you can look down at the hole you dug and say “That’s my Hole and I’m proud of it”.

Your class warfare, worry and envy of others is pathetic and demostrates your lack of character in your uninformed and bogus attempt to smear a man’s name.

WTF did he ever do to you?

Friggin Loser.


28 posted on 10/26/2011 5:35:47 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: null and void

Hey Nully! Didn’t realize you knew him as well.

You are right. Jobs was a nice guy.

The author of this pathetic screed is a total loser.


29 posted on 10/26/2011 5:39:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Starman417

Maybe he was miserly with his charity, but through 2004, he’s on record of contributing over $200,000 to the Democrat Party and several Dem candidates, including Rahm Emanuel, Nancy Pelosi, and Teddy Kennedy.


30 posted on 10/26/2011 5:41:44 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort (Stop me, before I shop again...)
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To: Starman417

Great post. (Also kind of a clever choice of an excerpt. A good way to learn how many posters read the whole thing before commenting. Most failed to realize the article is a tribute and not a hit piece.)


31 posted on 10/26/2011 5:47:42 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Starman417

Good for him. If he doesn’t want to waste his money on some scam of a charity, he shouldn’t have to. As for minimizing taxes - again, good for him.


32 posted on 10/26/2011 5:49:45 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Starman417
A lot of philanthropists only get started after retirement, in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. Jobs didn't have that opportunity.

Jobs did take stabs at setting up a foundation and other philanthropic projects, but business took up too much of his time.

As head of Apple he was taking a $1 a year salary. I know, I know, he had millions and millions, but still it's an indication that money wasn't everything for him.

We'll find out over time if Steve Jobs made large contributions and what charities he made them too.

P.S. Watch out for emails purporting to be from the "Steve Jobs Charitable Foundation." They're a scam.

33 posted on 10/26/2011 5:50:13 PM PDT by x
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To: Starman417

You don’t get to the top without being selfish.


34 posted on 10/26/2011 5:50:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Starman417

Charity is not high on the list of virtues in Budhism.


35 posted on 10/26/2011 5:51:04 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Vendome

I never met him.


36 posted on 10/26/2011 5:51:20 PM PDT by null and void (MSGT Dean Hopkins USMC (ret) WWII-Korea-Vietnam 11/9/1925-10/22/2011 My hero, my Dad)
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To: Starman417
So is this post with an anti Job slant against the FR rules anti Apple posts?

Jobs had a right to do as he wanted with his money. So what if he was a scrooge with it.
37 posted on 10/26/2011 5:59:50 PM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: vbmoneyspender; All
I've concluded Jobs was the kind of old style liberal that's near extinction; it's been replaced by progressive Marxism. He was a 'bleeding heart' but capitalist.

Talking about education in a Smithsonian interview 16 years ago, he argued there was a lack of competition, that unions and bureaucrats had robbed it of market competition. He stated be believed in equal opportunity, not outcome. He wanted vouchers and merit-based teacher retention, not monopolies and tenure.

I detest the "look-at-me-aint-i-grand" thing. It's even worse with Bill Gates because his idea of "charity" is Planned Parenthood and the UN population fund.

38 posted on 10/26/2011 6:21:11 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: Vendome

The meaning of the article went way over your head. Doesn’t matter who you know I guess.


39 posted on 10/26/2011 6:31:06 PM PDT by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: Starman417

Steve Jobs made money the old-fashioned way: he earned it. If he wanted to give it away or not, it was his prerogative to do with his fortune as he saw fit. Everyone else can just go pound sand.


40 posted on 10/26/2011 7:12:36 PM PDT by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: Starman417

I didn’t particularly like Jobs, but it is much easier to fawn over him or tear him to shreds .... after he is dead. Both the guy hawking the autobiography and this writer are probably not to be believed.


41 posted on 10/26/2011 7:17:14 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Starman417

But, he contributed more wealth, and he distribution of it, than most people who ever gave to charity.

More people were helped through his work and his company than the number of people that Bill Gates might’ve helped through his charitable work. But, Gates also contributed through his work and his company, and that’s a lot more valuable than the charitable work.

Capitalism is the best form of charity. A man that creates jobs, instead of giveaway schemes, is a lot more valuable to society than one who just gives away his fortune.


42 posted on 10/26/2011 7:38:23 PM PDT by adorno (<)
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To: newheart
(Also kind of a clever choice of an excerpt. A good way to learn how many posters read the whole thing before commenting. Most failed to realize the article is a tribute and not a hit piece.)

Thanks...was wondering how many would get it.
43 posted on 10/26/2011 7:40:48 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

Too few, it seems.


44 posted on 10/26/2011 8:08:36 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Starman417

Does it matter? He’s dead and gone. Let him rest in peace.


45 posted on 10/26/2011 8:11:41 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Starman417

So if I win the lotto tonight... you will feel free to judge me based on how much I give to charity?

LOL!

What if I used my money to start a company that provided a job to someone who invented a new form of energy or cured cancer?

What if I use my money to buy things from other companies, instead?
Will it ever occur to you that how I, or anyone else, spends money is none of your business?


46 posted on 10/26/2011 8:46:36 PM PDT by sarasmom (Rent a clue.)
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To: Paradox

Whatever.

The writer started out slamming a dead man and then grew a conscious in the last 1/3 of the article.

I shared the article with another friend who knew Jobs better than me and his take away was the same as mine.

The author is still and A-hole and didn’t Shiite about Steve.

And yeah, I call Woz and Steve by their respective names, as that is how we all knew them and distinguished them.


47 posted on 10/26/2011 10:04:57 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Starman417

Well, we all know he didn’t take his money with him and it didn’t evaporate when he died. Someone will get it and they can choose to do with it what they will. One way or the other it will circulate through the economy.


48 posted on 10/26/2011 10:20:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Vendome
The writer started out slamming a dead man and then grew a conscious in the last 1/3 of the article.

No, he did not. He set out to "bury Caesar, not to praise him". He did a fine job, only the knee-jerkers misunderstood.

I shared the article with another friend who knew Jobs better than me and his take away was the same as mine.

Similarly, a person with little clue.

The author is still and A-hole and didn’t Shiite about Steve.

You really did miss the whole point of the article....

And yeah, I call Woz and Steve by their respective names, as that is how we all knew them and distinguished them.

Hey, guess what, that's what I called them too. As I grew up, these two men were my heroes. I may not have known them, but at least articles like this don't go over my head, and at least I dont jump on public forums and trash people before I know whats going on. Your post #28 was borderline, and seemed to attack the Freeper who posted it. Not nice, especially when you are wrong.

49 posted on 10/27/2011 4:05:03 AM PDT by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: Paradox

I didn’t attack the poster. I attacked the author who only grew a conscience very late into the article.

The author lines his article with a title implying overtly Steve was a selfish SOB and spends two paragraphs on the subject of legacy and draws a comparison of legacy and intent with says Steve was tight with philanthropy.

He even calls Steve out for watching all the misery in the world and not lifting a finger.

He has zero idea what Steve did and I barely have any idea as well, except that he helped my charities at various times.

He begins his transmogrification by calling out the cleansing of consciousness for Carnegie and Gates.

It is only then he tells the tale of accomplishments from Lisa, which doesn’t mention but, does begin with Apple II and all the way through Ipad.

It is only now, at this point in the article, he begins his lame legacy epithet of who much Steve changed the world.

This, after painting him as a charitable misery? Puhlease.

“Selfish son of a bitch? Don’t know. Doesn’t matter. A model for prosperity and improving the human condition… now that’s a legacy worth leaving.”

Seriously? After the preface?

Give me a break.

I met the man and found him helpful if not generous.

This article is stupid and so is the author.


50 posted on 10/27/2011 9:25:15 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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