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Was Hitler a Communist?
A Whig Manifesto ^ | October. 31, 2011 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 10/29/2011 7:53:58 PM PDT by Chuckmorse

Little is known about Hitler before 1920 as many who knew him in his early years were murdered in the 1934 Nazi purge known as the night of a thousand knives. Additionally, files about Hitler’s life in Vienna were likely expunged when the Nazis entered the city in 1938.

One persistent rumor about Hitler, not proven, was that he was a male prostitute in Vienna where he lived in the years leading up to his move to Munich and the outbreak of the world war in 1914. It is known that he lived in Vienna as a bohemian artist and that he associated with the artist community. Hitler had inherited money from his late father and as a result he never had to work.

This left him with enough time to study politics and, according to his own autobiography, Mein Kampf, he immersed himself in Marxist studies. In spite of his brave actions during the war, actions which earned him the Iron Cross, he was never promoted higher than the rank of corporal. There has been some speculation that this lack of promotion might have been due to his communist associations or politics. The truth will never be known as his war records disappeared.

After the armistice of November, 1918, Hitler returned to Munich around the same time that Kurt Eisner, a left-wing leader of the Independent Social Democratic Party of Germany (USPD) declared Bavaria to be a free state and a Socialist Republic on November 8, 1918. Eisner, who was subsequently assassinated on his way to submit his resignation to German authorities on February 21, 1919, had overthrown the seven centuries old Wittlesbach monarchy and had formed an alliance with the Soviet Union.

Eisner’s assassination was followed by an uprising that led to a brief and violent Bavarian Soviet Republic under Eugen Levine which lasted from April to May, 1919. A photograph has survived that seems to indicate that Hitler marched in Kurt Eisner’s funeral procession. The Freikorps, made up of German army personnel returning from the war, and under the command of German General Franz Ritter von Epp, responded to the attempted Soviet takeover in Bavaria by marching into Munich in May, 1919. The short lived Bavarian Soviet Republic was crushed, many of its leaders were executed, and thousands of its irregulars were imprisoned.

Along with thousands of other soldiers, Hitler was arrested and imprisoned assumedly for his support of the Soviet uprising although the exact reasons for his arrest have never been clear. Hitler, assumedly seeking to make a deal to win his freedom and to save his reputation, volunteered to serve the German government as a spy and to identify other soldiers who had supported the two Bavarian socialist regimes. Hitler thus began working for an official commission investigating the Bavarian uprisings. It can be assumed that Hitler knew the various subversives involved in the Soviet inspired attempted coup as why else would the German authorities entrust him to infiltrate these cadres? One question that will likely remain unanswered was how many of Hitler’s friends, who might have taken part in the Soviet conspiracy, joined him in the nascent German Workers Party, later to be known as the Nazi party.

Bavarian authorities asked Hitler infiltrate the small and recently formed German Workers Party in 1920. It is reasonable to assume that the German authorities were concerned that the new party might be a communist cell and their might have been reasons for this suspicion. Hitler was impressed by the party leader Anton Drexler who favored a strong central government, what he called a non-Jewish version of Socialism, and a strong spirit of fraternity amongst all Germans.

Thus was born the nationalist strain of socialism that would become the trademark of the German Nazi State. Drawing inspiration from the same European enlightenment font that gave birth to Communism, Nazism patented socialism in one state as opposed to the Communist model which was a one world socialist collective. The German language is structured in such a way that when an organization has two names the second name is the formal name and the first name is a descriptive qualifier. Thus the term National Socialist was understood to mean the socialist party that was a nationalist socialist party.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: adolfhitler; communism; communist; hitler
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1 posted on 10/29/2011 7:53:59 PM PDT by Chuckmorse
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To: Chuckmorse

Obscuring ones past seems to be a common tactic for marxist politicians.


2 posted on 10/29/2011 7:59:21 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Go Steelers (what's the baseball team called again?))
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To: Chuckmorse
"Little is known about Hitler before 1920 as many who knew him in his early years were murdered in the 1934 Nazi purge known as the night of a thousand knives."

Pretty sure that should be "night of the long knives."

3 posted on 10/29/2011 7:59:35 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Chuckmorse
Whatever. Hitler certainly had no love for the Communist Party in Germany, seeing them as competitors and rivals rather than as allies. And if he ever flirted with marxism he never tried to implement it, as it would have undermined his "Fuhrer Prinzip".
4 posted on 10/29/2011 8:02:00 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chuckmorse

I never could understand why the Nazis were considered as an extreme right wing organization and the Communist Party is an extreme left wing group.


5 posted on 10/29/2011 8:02:05 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Always do a little more than is expected, and someday .....it will be expected.)
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To: Chuckmorse
he was a National Socialist but because of his inheritance i doubt he was a communist...
6 posted on 10/29/2011 8:03:50 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Borges

ping


7 posted on 10/29/2011 8:04:41 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Chuckmorse

Why do you think the Nazi flag was red?


8 posted on 10/29/2011 8:05:13 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Old Seadog
"I never could understand why the Nazis were considered as an extreme right wing organization and the Communist Party is an extreme left wing group."

Because lib professor-types were the ones making up the definitions.

9 posted on 10/29/2011 8:05:13 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Chuckmorse

Socialists are not communists. Socialists enjoy al the trappings of capitalism while controlling the masses thru taxation and regulation. Communists are true believers and look at socialists like weak phony moderates, they are not friends.


10 posted on 10/29/2011 8:05:17 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Chuckmorse

Oh, for goodness sake - the fascists were nationalist and the communist internationalist. They hated each other’s guts!


11 posted on 10/29/2011 8:06:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Old Seadog

It had to do with where they sat in the Reichstag.


12 posted on 10/29/2011 8:06:29 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Some Fat Guy in L.A.
"Obscuring ones past seems to be a common tactic for marxist politicians."

LOL, and a very easy thing to do when you have an adoring news media guarding against any and all inquiries.

13 posted on 10/29/2011 8:08:31 PM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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To: Chuckmorse
It is known that he lived in Vienna as a bohemian artist and that he associated with the artist community. Hitler had inherited money from his late father and as a result he never had to work.

sounds like about 9/10 of the imbecils at Zuccotti Park.

14 posted on 10/29/2011 8:09:44 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Chuckmorse

The Nazis were more specific about who they killed, so they had a body count of only 6 million. Communists kill pretty much anyone they want to kill, and are more like 100 million.

So obviously, national socialism is better and more fun.


15 posted on 10/29/2011 8:09:58 PM PDT by lurk
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To: Chuckmorse
It sounds like Springtime for Hitler for me.


16 posted on 10/29/2011 8:10:39 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Chuckmorse

Excellent. Thanks for your post.

A lot of people have accepted the Left’s lie that Hitler is on the right and communism and socialism are on the left.

Nazism is on the left also. The fact that Hitler didn’t like the Russians doesn’t mean he wasn’t a socialist.


17 posted on 10/29/2011 8:10:43 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Chuckmorse

The background of Eisner’s assassin is fascinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_Graf_von_Arco_auf_Valley


18 posted on 10/29/2011 8:11:07 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: central_va
Socialists are not communists. Socialists enjoy al the trappings of capitalism while controlling the masses thru taxation and regulation. Communists are true believers and look at socialists like weak phony moderates, they are not friends.

whatever they think of themselves as, Marx saw them as a mere weigh-station between capitalism and communism. and that's exactly what they are.

19 posted on 10/29/2011 8:11:39 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Chuckmorse

it is pointless to split hairs about what shade of totalitarian psychopath one is.


20 posted on 10/29/2011 8:12:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: central_va

I liked Rush’s definition: “The difference between Socialism and Communism, is that Socialists let you live.”


21 posted on 10/29/2011 8:17:26 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... http://www.fda.gov/ucm/groups/Ming the Merciless)
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To: Chuckmorse

no. Hitler was no Communist, he was a socialist


22 posted on 10/29/2011 8:20:16 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Flag_This
“Little is known about Hitler before 1920 as many who knew him in his early years were murdered in the 1934 Nazi purge known as the night of a thousand knives.”
Pretty sure that should be “night of the long knives.”


On the night of the long knives the radical Brown Shirt Homosexuals who were Hitler's street thugs were liquidated, FWIW.

23 posted on 10/29/2011 8:27:08 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Chuckmorse

Apparently, as an aftereffect of Spanish colonialism, there is a shortage of last names in the Phillippines, causing all kinds of problems with record keeping, credit ratings, criminal records, and so on. To fight the confusion parents resort to giving their children unusual and unique first names. An article I read some years ago mentioned a fellow whose first name was Hitler, which doesn’t resonate in that culture the same way it would in the West.


24 posted on 10/29/2011 8:27:53 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Chuckmorse

Hitler had a funny name before he changed it.

Alois Schicklgruber became Adolf Hitler.


25 posted on 10/29/2011 8:32:28 PM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: Chuckmorse

Hitler considered Marxism as the political creature and creation of Jews [Marx, Trotsky, Zinoviev, etc], and as internationalist in nature. As an anti-Semite and a German [one might say Pan-German] nationalist, he abhorred Marxism. Adolf Hitler was NO Communist.


26 posted on 10/29/2011 8:32:35 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Chuckmorse

What’s the difference if he was a Fascist, Marxist, Leninist, Socialist, Hitlerist(?), or a Communist? They’re all dictators, and that everybody puts Fascist on the right side of the political divide is a travesty.


27 posted on 10/29/2011 8:32:40 PM PDT by wastedyears (Attaaack Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch)
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To: rdcbn

Ernst Rahm was one of Hitlers early supporters and was dragged out of a bed he was sharing with another man that night.


28 posted on 10/29/2011 8:33:22 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: TBP

Hitler admired their propaganda, and took the red [which he considered a revolutionary color] for his flag [and posters] to “stick his finger in their eye”, so to speak.


29 posted on 10/29/2011 8:34:22 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: cruise_missile

Aloios Schickelgruber was Adolf Hitler’s father, and had been born illegitimate. Long before Hitler weas born, Alos’ father, Gregor[?] Hitler, recognized Alois as his child, and was then put on the bierth certificate as his father, and Alois Schickelgruber became Alois Hitler; all long before the birh of HIS son, Adolf Hitler.


30 posted on 10/29/2011 8:38:22 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Chuckmorse

You might want to bookmark this. It has a wealth of real time info:

A Psychological Analysis of Adolph Hitler
His Life and Legend
Walter C. Langer
Office of Strategic Services
Washington, D.C.

With the collaboration of-
Prof. Henry A. Murr, Harvard Psychological Clinic
Dr. Ernst Kris, New School for Social Research
Dr. Bertram D. Lawin, New York Psychoanalytic Institute

http://nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/profile-index.html


31 posted on 10/29/2011 8:38:38 PM PDT by marty60
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To: cruise_missile
Alois Schicklgruber was actually Adolf Hitler's father.
The family name was changed before Adolf was born.
32 posted on 10/29/2011 8:41:20 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: unkus

Ernst Roehm was the Chief of Staff [and de facto commander] of the Sturmabteilung, or SA (the Brownshirts). He was also a very left-wing Nazi [the SA were known as ‘beefsteak Nazis’-brown on the outside, red on the inside].

Roehm kept calling for the ‘second revolution’, and wanted to incorporate the German Army into the SA as a sort of revolutionary militia. He refused to quiet down when told to by hitler, Hess, and others. He was seized at a gathering of SA leaders oredered by Hitler. Hitler himself participated in Roehm’s seizure. He was taken to stadelhelm prison where, after he refused the opportunity to kill himself, he was murdered by Theodore Eicke, the commandant of Dachau, and one or two other SS officers.


33 posted on 10/29/2011 8:45:31 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

And to attract them. Communism and Naziism are closely related.


34 posted on 10/29/2011 8:47:22 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: lurk
The Nazis were more specific about who they killed, so they had a body count of only 6 million

The Nazi body count is much higher than that. Jews alone lost 6 million but every European nationality involved in the war could claim victims.
Russians had 20 million dead although I have long suspected Stalin was responsible for many of those.

35 posted on 10/29/2011 8:50:51 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Old Seadog
I never could understand why the Nazis were considered as an extreme right wing organization and the Communist Party is an extreme left wing group.

The answer is very simple: from the 1920's until the fall of the Soviet Union, "left wing" meant supportive of the goals of the Comintern, "right wing" meant opposed to the goals of the Comintern. Thus, Tories, Republicans, Nazis, monarchists, fascists, Democrat Cold Warriors, Christian Democrats, classical liberals, nationalists of just about any description, were (and by linguistic inertia still are) called "right wing", while Labourites, Democrat pacifists, Communists, socialists, social democrats (esp. of the "nuclear freeze" supporting type), etc. were and are called "left wing".

36 posted on 10/29/2011 8:54:04 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Chuckmorse

So he was sort of a misfit/nerd before becoming a community organizer and graduating to politics? sounds familiar.


37 posted on 10/29/2011 8:59:07 PM PDT by omega4179 (We can't wait! for the end of an error.)
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To: The_Reader_David
Interesting.
Why were the Chicoms thought of as left wingers when they were Russia's deadly enemies for much of the Cold War?
38 posted on 10/29/2011 8:59:12 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: Chuckmorse

.


39 posted on 10/29/2011 9:00:38 PM PDT by ken21
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To: omega4179

Nerds are at least smart and proficient in something technical.


40 posted on 10/29/2011 9:41:22 PM PDT by wastedyears (Attaaack Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch)
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To: Flag_This

You’re correct. “The Night of the Long Knives’’, June 30, 1934.


41 posted on 10/29/2011 9:54:16 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: omega4179
So he was sort of a misfit/nerd before becoming a community
organizer and graduating to politics? sounds familiar.

*snickering*....Yes, It does...
...paging South Chicagoan Larry Sinclair and pass the Cocaine.


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To: wastedyears

Fascism is the softer sell. It gives you the pretense of private ownership. Yes, you can own your own factory but we(the state) are going to control the production process and tell how much you must pay your ‘’workers’’ and how much you can pay yourself. Yes you can own your own home but we’re going to tell you how you can live in it. What setting to put your thermostat to.(sound familiar, like Mr. “Hope ‘n’ Change?) Communism makes no pretense of private ownership, the state owns everything and you do what we tell you. What the two system share primarily is there is no private ownership of one’s thoughts, writings or speech.


44 posted on 10/29/2011 10:03:20 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: PzLdr

What are you talking about? Karl Marx was a vicious anti-Semite who referred to Jews in his 1843 book “On the Jewish Question” as “self-interested hucksters who should be annihilated”. I have also read that Hitler praised Marx in his autobiography, ‘Mein Kampf’.


45 posted on 10/29/2011 10:14:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cruise_missile

Alois Schicklgruber was the name of Hitler’s father before he changed it, before Adolph Hitler was born. Adolph Hitler’s name was never Schicklgruber, and it was never Alois. Hitler’s older brother, who lived until 1952, was Alois.


46 posted on 10/29/2011 10:18:12 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: central_va

I’ve always thought that “socialist” is a broad term describing various commonly related idealogies

International Socialists......Communists
National Socialists........... Nazi/fascists
Utopian Socialists........... Fabians
ect...........

Any way you slice it, they all come from the same ill-baked loafs of bread kneaded and baked in the bakery run by Karl Marx.......


47 posted on 10/29/2011 10:24:57 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Chuckmorse

Not a whole lot of documentation there. Sources, please?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.
Hitler was left money by his father?
Male Prostitute?
Claims such as that should have cites, verifiable footnotes.


48 posted on 10/29/2011 10:33:05 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Oh, for goodness sake - the fascists were nationalist and the communist internationalist. They hated each other’s guts

True, but they were both sosialists


49 posted on 10/29/2011 10:35:54 PM PDT by munin (s)
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To: RedStateRocker
Nazis and Marxists are natural allies. Just look at the OWS crowds around the country.

Biggest difference between Soviet style Marxism and Nazi-ism is that the commies wanted all nations to adopt Marxism. The Nazis wanted all nations to be ruled by Nazis, especially Germanic citizens in that country.

Bottom line: they advocated the state control (Nazis) or own (Marxists) the means of production.

50 posted on 10/29/2011 10:42:34 PM PDT by CT
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