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The Science Behind the E-Cat Cold Fusion Reactor
Zorinaq ^ | Nov 6 2011 | Mark Bevand

Posted on 11/06/2011 3:50:39 PM PST by Kevmo



The Science Behind the E-Cat Cold Fusion Reactor
I was initially very dubious when hearing about E-Cat, a cold fusion reactor supposedly invented by Andrea Rossi. The first 1 megawatt unit was reportedly sold to a secret customer two days ago. Mainstream press has mostly ignored the invention so far. However, I found out there is a surprisingly rich history of scientific research and experiments about the mechanism it employs, nickel–hydrogen fusion. Evidence proving that the device is working keeps piling up and up. This is to a point that I am now personally convinced that this is one of the greatest (accidental) discoveries in human history.
Nickel–Hydrogen Fusion Experiments
The Italian National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development (ENEA) published in 2008 a long report entitled Cold fusion - The history of research in Italy which is very broad in scope and contains a section giving a good summary of the research sparked by Francesco Piantelli's initial discovery:
"The research in the field of nickel–hydrogen systems started from an experimental observation by F. Piantelli at the end of 1989 concerning a strange thermal effect at low temperature in a sample of nickel with hydrogen. Piantelli spoke of this effect to his friends S. Focardi and R. Habel during the SIF congress in Trento (October 1990)."
However, due to chronic lack of funding, research progressed very slowly over the following years. Eventually, experiments were performed thanks to loans and direct participation from many colleagues and friends from the University of Siena and Bologna, from INFN, ENEA, CNR of Pisa, CISE, the Navy Academy and the Municipality of Bologna. Focardi et al. first formally published their results, in 1994, in the peer-reviewed article Anomalous Heat Production in Ni-H Systems, in which they detail a system with a cell that appears to produce power of up to 50 Watts, while absorbing hydrogen as evidenced by a pressure decrease. They cautiously do not attempt to explain these strange results, but invite the scientific community to look at the results while merely concluding:
"Up to now we are not able to formulate any consistent model which comprehends the phenomenon."
Their discovery receives some attention and, in 1996, prompts a team from the CERN to reproduce the experiment: Investigation of anomalous heat production in Ni-H systems. The CERN discovers results consistent with Focardi et al.: excess heat around the nickel bar and hydrogen absorption. However they also placed an additional temperature sensor on the container of the cell which was unable to measure any significant excess heat. They theorize that the nickel bar is merely prone to local variations of its thermal characteristics (ie. no excess heat), correlated to the phenomenon of hydrogen absorption. They concede that hydrogen absorption remains unexplained .

Focardi et al. took this feedback into account, and started measuring the temperature from outside the cell's container while continuing their research. In 1998 they publish a subsequent article, Large excess heat production in Ni-H system, describing in great details two cells with multiple sensors, some outside the container. They show that the excess heat is indeed more subtle when measured outside the container (see Fig. 6), but it is still present:
"The existence of an exothermic effect, whose heat yield is well above that of any known chemical reaction, has been unambiguously confirmed by evaluating the thermal flux coming from the cells."
One of the cells ran continuously for 278 days and produced an excess power of about 900 megajoule, while another ran for 319 days and produced 600 megajoule. In Cold fusion - The history of research in Italy, the researchers add that they observed events of nuclear origins:
"During the experiments, which altogether lasted for about 15 years, many phenomena witnessing nuclear reactions inside Ni samples in H atmosphere were observed. While it was producing energy, the cell which produced 900 MJ emitted neutrons for some days [...] equal to 1000 times the neutron flux due to cosmic radiation. [...] Other events, whose existence can only be due to nuclear reactions, were observed at the end of the experiments [...] We observed in remarkable quantity Cu and Zn (with atomic number greater than Ni), F, Na, Mg, Al, Si, P, S, Cl, K, Ca, Mn, Cr, Fe (Fig. 3)."
(One nickel atom fusing with a pair of one hydrogen atom and one neutron would produce one copper atom (Cu), or zinc (Zn) if fused with two pairs. This would indeed indicate that fusion is taking place.)
Commercial Development
Unfortunately, the 2008 report Cold fusion - The history of research in Italy abruptly ends with these promising research results, and Focardi et al. appear to have stopped conducting further public research since this time. Instead, around 2008, Andrea Rossi reportedly came to Focardi with a way to catalyze (accerelate) the reaction to a point that it made it commercially viable. So he started working with Focardi with the intention of commercializing an energy reactor based on nickel–hydrogen fusion .

Rossi has a tumultuous history to say the least. More of an entrepreneur than a physicist, he was offered a permanent entry visa to the US to develop some of his unrelated ideas. Later, he spent time in prison in Italy because his company was found guilty of environmental crimes and tax fraud. He has since then returned to the US .

So there we are today, the odd couple of Focardi the physicist and Rossi the entrepreneur are collaborating on the E-Cat, but the press unfortunately focuses too much on Rossi's tumultuous past or lack of credentials, when Focardi spent 20+ years studying the phenomenon .

It does not help that Focardi and Rossi are extremely bad at making themselves look credible. (Although this is changing slowly.) The E-Cat website is very amateur-looking, with typos on the home page ("E-Cat is a devise [sic]..."), poorly produced and unstructured videos presenting the device, and biographies written to inflate their egos ("scientists from all the world agreed that the invention of the energy catalyzer was the best invention to this date in regards to solving the energy problems of our world", from here.) On top of that, the community demands more scientific evidence, but they have mostly ignored Focardi et al.'s 1998 paper published in Il Nuovo Cimento, as well as this one from 2010 sharing a bit more. And Rossi and Focardi now refrain from divulging too many details, to preserve their commercial advantage .

The only details that are being shared is that they enrich nickel with two useful isotopes, nickel-62 and nickel-64, reduce it to micrometer grains, process it to increase the number of surface tubercles (this increases the surface area of nickel and improve its reaction with hydrogen), and add a secret ingredient to break apart the molecular hydrogen (H2) into atomic hydrogen (H1) .

Like many scientific discoveries, the exact mechanism by which this nickel–hydrogen fusion occurs is not fully understood. Christos Stremmenos, former Greek ambassador to Italy and former physics professor at the Università di Bologna, researched nickel–hydrogen fusion before meeting Andrea Rossi, and offers a probable explanation of the theory behind it. Yeong E. Kim from Purdue University also published a paper suggesting that Bose-Einstein theory may be explain the E-Cat device.
Stremmenos became involved with Rossi and Focardi, and helped set up a company in Greece to manufacture the E-Cat on their behalf: Defkalion Green Technologies. Greece is a strategic choice as it is a (small) producer of nickel .

The very latest developments are documented in impressive details on a site maintained by Christopher Calder.
My Thoughts
Nickel and hydrogen are extremely abundant on Earth. Only an infinitesimal quantity of these materials is necessary to produce significant energy levels. Rossi states that one pound of nickel can unleash as much energy as burning approximately 1590 barrels of oil. Nickel–hydrogen fusion would effectively solve mankind's number one problem by providing clean energy at very low cost. Rossi estimates that today's E-Cat design can achieve $.01/kWh when mass-produced, which is about one tenth the average worldwide domestic cost of $.10/kWh. And the technology can only improve!
It is shocking that nickel–hydrogen fusion was accidentally discovered barely 20 years ago, that a breakthrough occurred 3 years ago, that it is still not well understood or studied, yet that a device exploiting it is readying for commercialization. The joke that "cold fusion has always been a few decades away" will soon be dead.. .

I am positive that this pair of guys who started in a garage are on their way to an energy revolution .








TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr
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Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

1 posted on 11/06/2011 3:50:45 PM PST by Kevmo
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2 posted on 11/06/2011 3:51:26 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: All; y'all; et al

[Vo]: October 28 Established ECAT System Facts
David Roberson
Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:58:30 -0800

I would like to have access to the known facts associated with the latest test
of the 1 MW ECAT system. Is it possible for us as a group to keep a list of
what we know must be true about the test and other facts that influence the
measured performance? I am including a beginning list that should be reviewed
for accuracy and appended to by vortex members. Thank you.
1). The ECATs were preloaded with water prior to beginning the test.
a). A reasonable estimate of the water held within the 107 ECATs is 107 units x
30 liters/unit = 3210 liters.
b). The water within the 107 ECATs is replaced in approximately 3210 liters /
675.6 liters/hour = 4.75 hours.
2). There is no pump within the output path between the ECAT’s and the large
water storage tank.
a). This configuration absolutely demands that the output vapor must be greater
than atmospheric pressure. This is necessary to push the water out of the
dissipaters.
b). This pressure can be estimated by someone who is skilled in the calculation
of liquid and vapor flow through pipes and dissipaters.
3). The average input water flow rate for the ECAT’s was 675.6 liters/hour.
a). The output flow rate is 675.6 liters/hour / 3600 seconds/hour * 1000
grams/liter = 187.667 grams/second. Using this value and information from NIST
leads to the following conclusion.
b). 105 C is the average temperature output of the system, and 18
C average input.
c). If only liquid water is ejected by the ECATs, the minimum system power
output is 187.667 grams/second * (440.27 joules/gram liquid at 105 C – 75.544
joules/gram liquid at 18 C) = 68.45 Kilowatts.
d). If vapor is the only output then the maximum system power output is 187.667
grams/second * (2683.4 joules/gram vapor at 105 C – 75.544 joules/gram liquid
at 18 C) = 489.4 Kilowatts.
e). The true power output of the system must lie between these two values.
4). The customer had an engineer named Domenico Fioravanti and helpers to
verify operation of the system.
Dave

[Vo]: October 28 Established


3 posted on 11/06/2011 3:57:09 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .

Boy, mainstream physics must be severely threatened if you have to resort to this asinine wall of breathless, completely unreadable text as your supposed "response."

More than anything else, your utterly ridiculous and obviously contrived and cognitively manipulative reply makes me think that these guys have actually developed commercially viable cold fusion.

4 posted on 11/06/2011 4:00:43 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Kevmo

I’m highly skeptical that it’s time to railroad yet...


5 posted on 11/06/2011 4:02:10 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Kevmo
This is "science" in the same sense that climate change is "science."
6 posted on 11/06/2011 4:03:24 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, let’s be honest.

Global Warming, or Climate change is an open conspiracy between pay-for-postulates scientists, globalists, and eco-nuts.

E-Cat is, at worst, a small scale fraud. At best, maybe a usable heat source.

Please do NOT paint both with the same brush. Global Warming is 100% junk, for sure. Jury still out on E-cat (although there is the smell of fraud, there is no proof yet, so we should give the benefit of a doubt). Long term, the truth will come out.


7 posted on 11/06/2011 4:08:56 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Kevmo

If E-Cat works, the customers will report its success to their friends, and word will get out. Once they have a customer, we don’t HAVE to believe them, but at the same time, they have nothing to ask from us.


8 posted on 11/06/2011 4:15:08 PM PST by dangus
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To: Kevmo

I hate to say it, but suppose this reaction does NOT create energy. With the price of copper, this device might be worth it for the alchemy alone :^D


9 posted on 11/06/2011 4:17:55 PM PST by dangus
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To: Talisker

Boy, mainstream physics must be severely threatened if you have to resort to this asinine wall of breathless, completely unreadable text as your supposed “response.”
***Response? It’s the first post in the thread.

More than anything else, your utterly ridiculous and obviously contrived and cognitively manipulative reply
***Reply to what? What are you jabbering on about?

makes me think that these guys have actually developed commercially viable cold fusion.
***Your writing is no better than the blurb I posted.


10 posted on 11/06/2011 4:27:36 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Then feel free to refute the science behind the facts generated on the ground.


11 posted on 11/06/2011 4:30:02 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Then feel free to refute the science behind the facts generated on the ground.

What's "on the ground" is a black-box.

That ain't science.

12 posted on 11/06/2011 4:33:00 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

But there are scientific facts being generated. Feel free to refute them. If you can.


13 posted on 11/06/2011 4:34:00 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

I bet it will be buried and the whole thing will get “Palinized”

Big oil both domestic and abroad doesn’t want to hear this, electric energy groups from the very top all the way to battery manufacturers won’t be too enthusiastic. They will repress this politically because if say within a decade word leaks out, plans leak out and the average person can make his own unit and use it at home, at work and for transportation the taxation of fuels, energy and such will plummet.

I believe it worked and that it most definitely is scaring a lot of people. It will upset a lot of people. Probably the biggest threat ironically may come from Islam. just think about it it, Islam has never embraced new technology.


14 posted on 11/06/2011 4:36:06 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Kevmo
But there are scientific facts being generated. Feel free to refute them. If you can.

There are "scientific facts being generated" in the same sense that sexual-harassment accusations are being generated against Herman Cain.

15 posted on 11/06/2011 4:36:29 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Try to stay on topic.


16 posted on 11/06/2011 4:37:36 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Kev, how ‘bout a few paragraph breaks in that? I’ve been trying to read it every time you post it, but it’s just blinding. Thanks.


17 posted on 11/06/2011 4:40:44 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Kevmo

Maybe this should be posted in the religion forum. wink,wink


18 posted on 11/06/2011 4:42:28 PM PST by RBIEL2
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To: Eye of Unk

I believe it worked and that it most definitely is scaring a lot of people.
***There aren’t that many options for the competition other than to try to buy it with big piles of money. They missed their big opportunity to sabotage the experiment. The next big opportunity is to plant fake evidence of a fraud, which so many would be willing to believe.

I don’t think they would bump Rossi off because it would draw too much attention.


19 posted on 11/06/2011 4:43:47 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them away.

Ronald Reagan


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20 posted on 11/06/2011 4:56:30 PM PST by STARWISE ( The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: Kevmo

I’m hearing that there are no high energy particles being emitted (which would be detectable). This makes no sense. If a thermal proton is being absorbed, and there are no emissions, then there is no way for energy to be produced (newton’s laws — conservation of momentum). It sounds like the physics of this reaction are designed to avoid being disproved.

It’s bunk.


21 posted on 11/06/2011 4:59:34 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Kevmo
The topic is that there is no possibility of independent verification of a black box.

You're the one who keeps changing the topic.

22 posted on 11/06/2011 5:03:10 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Kevmo

I am inclined to accept that the ECat is real. However, since the physics of the process is not completely understood, their operation will be inconsistent. A few may even suffer from being way too active, and risk blowing up. Conversely, some units may suddenly fail to work at all. That is part of the learning curve.

One aspect: if the ECat can be rapidly deployed to replace boilers and industrial heating applications, it could displace enough petroleum usage to affect oil pricing. The ECat could be a real monkey wrench thrown into the world power dynamic.


23 posted on 11/06/2011 5:08:21 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“The topic is that there is no possibility of independent verification of a black box.”

I would think that there would be no need for independent verification. If it works, the customer will buy more. That’s all the independent verification that is needed... The market place.


24 posted on 11/06/2011 5:09:39 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
I would think that there would be no need for independent verification. If it works, the customer will buy more. That’s all the independent verification that is needed... The market place.

Even the "purchaser" is a black box.

Unless you know who it is and can reveal it, you are checkmated.

25 posted on 11/06/2011 5:12:20 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Kevmo; All

No radiation, no transmutation.

“On the gamma radiation measurements
on the Rossi system
Mauro Villa,
Bologna University and INFN Sezione di Bologna
January 26, 2011

7 Conclusions
The main findings of the present study are the following:
• the present reactor was actually able to vaporize a cold liquid water
flux for about 40 minutes, showing a sizeable output-input power
difference and an integrated power production of several kWh [4];
• no gamma radiation above the background level in the energy region
E° > 200 keV has been observed, neither in single counting, not in
coincidence;
• regardless of the internal details of the reaction chamber, shieldings
and other industrial secrets, the ° rates measured with the NaI counters
seem not compatible with the rates deduced or expected assuming
that the energy production was due to nuclear fusion or decay reactions,
as suggested in [1].
Thus at present having found no nuclear reaction fingerprints, further
investigations are indeed needed to identify the energy production process.”


26 posted on 11/06/2011 5:18:29 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
Rossi has a tumultuous history to say the least. More of an entrepreneur than a physicist,

More of a con man than an entrepreneur.

27 posted on 11/06/2011 5:39:06 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Later, he spent time in prison in Italy because his company was found guilty of environmental crimes and tax fraud.

When the Italian government tested the "crude oil" Rossi was selling, they found that it was only 3% hydrocarbons, 22% water, and 75% toxic waste. I can't wait for them to test the ecat.

28 posted on 11/06/2011 5:43:35 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Unless you know who it is and can reveal it, you are checkmated.”

How so? Your not being ask to buy one or fund it? If it doesn’t work there will be very few sales. If it does work, expect to see the balance of power in the world change.


29 posted on 11/06/2011 5:49:33 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
An anonymous "buyer" sounds like a fake buyer to me.

The next step will be an IPO.

I suggest you sell everything you own and borrow every last dime you can borrow and buy as much of it as you can.

Just to prove PT Barnum right.

30 posted on 11/06/2011 6:10:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Born to Conserve

There are a bunch of theoretical LENR threads here on FR for you to criticize to your heart’s content.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


31 posted on 11/06/2011 6:11:59 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Of course it’s possible to verify a black box. If it puts out more heat than any known chemical reaction, he’s onto something.

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real (or Fake)
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher
Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM by Kevmo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2730401/posts


32 posted on 11/06/2011 6:15:27 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Why do you feel the need to cut and paste the same comments into every E-Cat thread?

I agree with you that the something smells very fishy, but most of the people (like me) that click on the E-Cat thread would like to see some new info and not just a re-tread of the same, already blogged comments.

To anybody that has seen the comments for the fortieth time, the hyperbole is not even mildly amusing anymore.

Just sayin’..


33 posted on 11/06/2011 6:16:59 PM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Talisker

He cuts and pastes this same unclever reply into every e-cat thread.


34 posted on 11/06/2011 6:18:10 PM PST by ChiefJayStrongbow
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To: Kevmo

Still waiting for the hands off by the developer and hands on testing by the independent laboratory and scientist.


35 posted on 11/06/2011 6:19:37 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: Kevmo

the only thing that would make sense about the Global Warming Scam would be if the elite have been anticipating something like this for a while....


36 posted on 11/06/2011 6:21:46 PM PST by mo
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If you had something that you invented that could change the course of history helping many of the people of the world, put many moneyed people on the alert and be stolen by others would you just let it all hang out and reveal all of your secrets to the world or would you play it safe, careful and hold your cards close to your chest?
37 posted on 11/06/2011 6:22:41 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

An anonymous “buyer” sounds like a fake buyer to me.
***Conspiracy theory.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2800077/posts

Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .


38 posted on 11/06/2011 6:23:02 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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39 posted on 11/06/2011 6:25:31 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Moonman62

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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40 posted on 11/06/2011 6:26:38 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: SirKit

eCat ping!


41 posted on 11/06/2011 6:35:53 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: RetiredTexasVet

Keep waiting. After Rossi sells his 30th unit, maybe he’ll feel the need to get to independent verification.


42 posted on 11/06/2011 6:36:37 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Bellflower
If you had something that you invented that could change the course of history helping many of the people of the world, put many moneyed people on the alert and be stolen by others would you just let it all hang out and reveal all of your secrets to the world or would you play it safe, careful and hold your cards close to your chest?

His caution would be more convincing if he hadn't held a string of crappy (Kevmo's word) demos accompanied by thousands upon thousands of blog posts and associated hype.

43 posted on 11/06/2011 7:03:47 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
If it puts out more heat than any known chemical reaction, he’s onto something.

How can you say that, if you don't know what chemicals he's using?

44 posted on 11/06/2011 7:10:33 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Pick the most energetic chemical reaction and compare it.


45 posted on 11/06/2011 7:14:30 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Good idea. How many gallons of liquid did he use?


46 posted on 11/06/2011 7:22:21 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Kevmo
As soon as the IPO comes out, and it will be soon, sell everything and buy as much as you can.

Hehe.

47 posted on 11/06/2011 7:39:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: Moonman62
His caution would be more convincing if he hadn't held a string of crappy (Kevmo's word) demos accompanied by thousands upon thousands of blog posts and associated hype.

Creative people are often eccentric and also anyone with emotions might be very excited about ecats possibilities and what it could mean to the world if it is actually real. They might be excited enough about it to want to blog about it a lot. If he acted scripted and dull I might wonder about it more because in the real world everyone is different. I have run into so many real life characters in my life that make sitcom and TV characters seem boring and unoriginal that much about people's uniqueness does not surprise me.

48 posted on 11/06/2011 7:45:34 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“The next step will be an IPO.”

Most businesses never have an IPO. Why do you think one would be appropriate in this case? I doubt that they would go there...

If it were possible to buy a $100 interest in this I probably would at this point, from what I have read so far. If I were in a position to examine it, I would invest more perhaps. With my background it would be pretty difficult to fool me.


49 posted on 11/06/2011 8:09:51 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
Most businesses never have an IPO. Why do you think one would be appropriate in this case?

Some IPO's are done to make a business more open and credible, especially when reports are filed with the SEC. Rossi could use a lot of that.

50 posted on 11/06/2011 8:18:06 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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