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Understanding the Unexpected (and Unfunded) Rise of Newt Gingrich
Reaganite Republican ^ | November 14, 2011 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 11/14/2011 6:16:56 AM PST by Reaganite Republican

Yeah, he's got more baggage than 
Lady Gaga on a 3-month European tour... 
many conservatives are starting to say 'so what?'

Newt Gingrich articulates conservative positions like no other Republican candidate...  everybody knows this (genuine) constitutional scholar would rip Obama a new one in any debate

With 'Newt 2012' funds scarce-to-nonexistent, his recent and unlikely comeback in the polls was driven almost exclusively by magnificent TV debate performances as the deep-pockets boys hit choppy waters.

And Gingrich doesn't take a one speck of crap from underhanded old-guard media still attempting to prop-up the teetering Obama regime, either. This, along with his strongly-professed Christian/Catholic faith- play well with the conservative GOP base (of which I am a proud part).

Today -after dismissing him as a top-tier candidate initially- a lot of Republicans are coming to the dawning realization that given the current choices, Newt most closely approximates what they've been looking for. This healing process between voter and votee has been aided somewhat by Gingrich's frank admission of errors re. the Scozzafava debacle and in posing with Nancy Pelosi for a climate-change ad- "the dumbest single thing I've done in years". 

Pollsters now find him surging, and right into second in South Carolina. Suddenly, we have a new three-horse race- one poll out Friday even put Gingrich in second place nationally, right smack-dab behind Romney.

Personally, it's been defense and foreign policy issues that leave me wanting for a GOP 2012 candidate to this point: only Bachmann, Palin, and (yes) Trump ever said the kind of things I need to hear re. Iran, Israel, Russia, etc- yet obviously none of them contenders at this point. But Gingrich sounds great (foreign policy) in the video below, and if his administration could find some room for -say, John Bolton somewhere in there- that would be the kind of thing that could perk my interest quick.

Perhaps noble Cain supporters expected peace-though-strength Republicans to be won over to the man -who I like and respect- in CBS's ill-managed attempt at a foreign policy debate last Wednesday. I'd been looking forward to this one of course, yet in the case of Herman Cain he seemed lost and out-of-his-element, an oft-repeated default response being he would 'consult with his experts', etc.  
Since I can't fathom the thought of initiating a federal VAT sales tax (as 9-9-9 proposes), I don't think Herman Cain is going to work out for me- not unless it comes down to him, Romney, and/or Perry of course. 
But for now there are other people in the 2012 race, including of course Newt Gingrich. Make no mistake, he's got plenty of challenges waiting for him along any path to the GOP nomination, and I'm not just talking about the affairs/apparent moral lapses, (we're all sinners). 

The Gingrich campaign is basically broke for one -although cash is starting to come in lately- as it faces well-financed Romney and Perry smear machines that have yet to train their guns. Think there's nothing left to dig up on Newt? Consider that he's been out of political office for over a decade -while Perry and Romey have been under far closer scrutiny in recent years-  and it's something to think about.
But I've long said that I want a fighter to really bring it to Obama in 2012... one thing for sure, you get that with Gingrich- a smart one, too. And his forthcoming confession of RINO sins is at minimum a refreshing change from the obfuscation  spin, and fake UltraBrite smile you get from Mittens when you ask him about his unsettling past involvement with statism and statists.

If I had to vote tomorrow -and Bachmann still had no prayer, as it now appears- I think I would have to pull for Newt... and I'm not the only one.

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To: Reaganite Republican

Mostly a good article. However, the 9 9 9 plan’s federal sales tax is not a VAT tax; quite the opposite. It could be credibly argued that the current federal taxation of businesses and goods (which would be eliminated) are far more similar to a VAT than 9 9 9 is. That said, 9 9 9 is a proposition, and one that is unlikely to be passed as is.


51 posted on 11/14/2011 7:44:18 AM PST by jdsteel (Cain vs. Not Able.......now that Sarah's out.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Don't you find that somewhat strange?

I don't. I would bet that a large number of that same group were the same ones tauting the Thompson bandwagon-to-nowhere in 2008.

After SuperTuesday, the field will probably be close to determined. Romney in the lead, and a hucka-tool to fend off any serious challenge from the 'extreme' right. Almost a repeat of the 2008 strategy.

[My state primary isn't until late May, so I expect the nomination to be decided long before then, making the state primary almost irrelevant. It will be interesting to see which candidates might still be standing by then.]
52 posted on 11/14/2011 7:45:28 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: EternalVigilance

I challenged you to put forth your candidate. Do you have a preferred or are you just spitting in the wind? If you have no alternative shouldn’t we just disregard what you put forth as nothing of substance?


53 posted on 11/14/2011 7:45:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: EternalVigilance

And if you want to play pretend that you are going to make a difference belonging to the American party that’s your choice. Newt is a human being like we all are with his share of mistakes. Unprincipled would mean he is intentionally seeking to deceive which is up to all to decide but non of us can say with certainty.


54 posted on 11/14/2011 7:47:05 AM PST by ontap
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To: CynicalBear

You can do whatever you want. It’s a free country. For now.


55 posted on 11/14/2011 7:47:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance (I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I'm an American. SelfGovernment.US)
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To: ontap

Baloney. I’ve watched Gingrich closely for decades, from the inside and from the outside. I know the score. You people are desperate and delusional.


56 posted on 11/14/2011 7:49:01 AM PST by EternalVigilance (I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I'm an American. SelfGovernment.US)
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To: ontap

New tagline ...


57 posted on 11/14/2011 7:50:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: MNJohnnie
You were the one who thought it was such clever politics to run around posting childish personal attacks at Cain on every thread. Don’t start pouting now that people are punching back at your candidate of choice. Now now now... Don't feel slighted... I've been critical of all the candidates at one time or another - here at FR and elsewhere. The Mittens, Perry Folks, Bachamaniacs, Santorumites, Paulites, Huntsman who?, could all take issue with me. I will continue to be critical when it's warranted - and that included being critical of Newt. As far as being childish with Cain. My concerns about Cain have been anything but childish...
58 posted on 11/14/2011 7:51:25 AM PST by TBBT
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To: EternalVigilance

That’s what I thought. No alternative solutions just rhetoric.


59 posted on 11/14/2011 7:52:24 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: ken5050

The truth about the Tiffany report is that the Gingrichs have a 500,000 line of credit...not that they are in debt for 500 grand.

I have a line of credit with my credit card company. That doesn’t mean I use it.

It’s amazing what an opposition campaign can do to stir up trouble and make innocent things seem criminal.

For example: I hear Cain has heterosexualist tendencies.


60 posted on 11/14/2011 7:52:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: CynicalBear

I’d have a “solution” if so many “conservatives” weren’t again wasting their substance chasing every false flag under the sun.


61 posted on 11/14/2011 7:54:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Of course you.


62 posted on 11/14/2011 7:58:38 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
“The special election for the 23rd Congressional District is an important test leading up to the mid-term 2010 elections,” Gingrich said in a statement to supporters. “Our best chance to put responsible and principled leaders in Washington starts here, with Dede Scozzafava.”

-- Newt Gingrich, Oct. 2009

63 posted on 11/14/2011 7:59:31 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: TomGuy

I appreciate your very level headed and logical approach. I tend to do have the same realistic outlook which stirs up those who fuel their support from a completely emotional/feelings driven platform.

That aside, reality is always difficult for some here who tend to deny the inevitable. Neither of us can help that faction, nor should we try to.


64 posted on 11/14/2011 7:59:43 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: moonhawk

Well stated.


65 posted on 11/14/2011 8:02:05 AM PST by annieokie
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To: TBBT

hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha and ROFL.


66 posted on 11/14/2011 8:04:29 AM PST by annieokie
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To: JimInMO

Great analysis!

You illustrated almost exactly how this thing is apparently going. Some mistakenly call it “Vetting” when in reality, it is more like “Eviscerating” if the truth was ever ever acknowledged.


67 posted on 11/14/2011 8:05:59 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: EternalVigilance

Until you can come up with an alternate solution I’ll not take you seriously. OWS has the same problems. No solutions.


68 posted on 11/14/2011 8:06:06 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Reaganite Republican

The reason we like Newt is that he’s the smartest guy in the room - ANY room.
(Except maybe a room full of physicists or rocket scientists. Which are actually pretty scary places...)

Problem is, he’s not trustworthy. Being trustworthy is better than being smart.


69 posted on 11/14/2011 8:08:01 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

His attacks on journalists during the debates have really helped him. I can’t understand how the other candidates have missed this and why they don’t do the same thing. I would watch the debates if I knew they would.


70 posted on 11/14/2011 8:13:01 AM PST by Crawdad
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To: CynicalBear
solutions?

Gingrich's "solutions" amount to everything solid diluted down to nothing.

I hate that silly, trite word. It doesn't really mean anything.

71 posted on 11/14/2011 8:13:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: brownsfan; ontap

You seem to forget that even as Speaker, Newt only had one vote in Congress. If a bill went down to defeat, you have to blame a combination of Democrats and Republicans.

These are just some items that passed:

Eliminating the “marriage penalty”
Cutting Capital Gains taxes
Balancing the Federal Budget
Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
The first GOP majorities in Congress in generations
Welfare Reform
Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act
The Taking Back Our Streets Act
The American Dream Restoration Act
The National Security Restoration Act
Private Securities Litigation Reform Act (Tort Reform)
Family Reinforcement Act
The House impeached Bill Clinton

Newt cut taxes and balanced the budget. He instituted tort reform as well as getting Clinton to sign Welfare Reform. Newt led the Republican Revolution and under his leadership the Republicans took Congress for the first time in 40 years. Newt was not a failure as Speaker as many seem to imply.

Additionally, Newt helped write DOMA. Newt says he will reinstate DADT, Cain says he will not. Newt says he will abolish the 9th Circuit Court of Clowns and has found historical precedent to do so.


72 posted on 11/14/2011 8:19:27 AM PST by Mari2525
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To: EternalVigilance
>> It doesn't really mean anything.<<

Obviously not to you. If you don’t have the guts to state who you support.

73 posted on 11/14/2011 8:21:24 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Know what else? It occurs to me that with the “stick it in your ear!” mind-set of some posters, what would happen if a Presidential candidate were elected and operated the same way? With disregard and disdain for those with whom he/she disagrees, seeking neither the education nor the persuasion of others?

You know—operated over them, around them, under them, but not with them. Refusing to be President of all the nation, with a large number simply feeling ignored and unheard. How would the ignored feel? In what way would a positive national agenda ever get agreed upon, much less implemented?

Oh, wait . . . we have that already in Washington, and it doesn’t seem to please anyone (them or us). Of course, I forgot: “Get over it—WE won”.


74 posted on 11/14/2011 8:22:01 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: CynicalBear

If I saw a candidate that lives up to the first, most important, principles of this republic, I’d tell you. But I don’t. Live with it.


75 posted on 11/14/2011 8:23:36 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Then you remain irrelevant to the process as far as I can tell.


76 posted on 11/14/2011 8:25:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: EternalVigilance

So, Republican Newt Gingrich supported the Republican candidate for office. Did he tell her to drop out of the race and throw her support to the Democrats? I place the blame for this loss with Dede and the RNC, not Newt.


77 posted on 11/14/2011 8:32:52 AM PST by Mari2525
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To: CynicalBear
Then you remain irrelevant to the process as far as I can tell.

If the man on the binoculars spots the iceberg, tells the crew and the passengers, and they choose to ignore him, continuing on their destructive course, I guess you could say he is "irrelevant to the process," you betcha.

78 posted on 11/14/2011 8:41:24 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: Mari2525
I place the blame for this loss with Dede and the RNC, not Newt.?

Of course you do.

79 posted on 11/14/2011 8:42:05 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: Mari2525

Good reminder list ... thanx


80 posted on 11/14/2011 8:51:26 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Reaganite Republican
This is the perfect storm for Newt. We have the greatest threat to the survival of our country in history sitting in our White House. We have a GOP establishment choice who is farther to the left than most democrats were in my childhood and who would certainly continue Obama's march to socialism, although at a slightly slower pace. We have one remaining viable challenger who looks like he has the potential to be a good president, but that candidate is dealing with a scandal that may become the most effective character assassination since Robert Bork. Of course some conservatives have shifted from Cain (who they have decided is guilty) to Newt (who they have decided is the best bet to stop Obama and Romney from destroying the last hope for freedom in the world).

Four years ago, if anyone had told me that I would even consider Newt, I would have laughed. Today, Newt is my backup plan. If Cain falls out of the race, whether deserved or yet another effective application of the liberal politics of personal destruction, I will be embarrassed but I will support Newt (unless another not-Romney looks viable) . . . and then wash my hands after voting.

81 posted on 11/14/2011 8:57:24 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: CynicalBear

CB...one of things I have noted about Newt, this time around, is his fully measured responses and is very comfortable with himself....I still expect he will be direct when needed and won’t take the nonesense..but he seems much more at peace with himself and it shows.


82 posted on 11/14/2011 8:59:13 AM PST by caww
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To: xzins

Very well put, my sentiments PRECISELY

Except I hold Bachmann in a BIT higher esteem... she’s a little green, but man I love the girl


83 posted on 11/14/2011 9:00:22 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Pollster1

I am the same way, just three weeks ago I was shocked to find myself reconsidering Newt

But I am


84 posted on 11/14/2011 9:03:08 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican

She grated on me with “I was the first...” the same way Cain’s pat military and/or foreign policy response grates on me: “I will consult with my advisors...” Grrrrrrr......


85 posted on 11/14/2011 9:05:46 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: EternalVigilance

I take it from your reply that you don’t believe in individual responsibility.

The fact that Dede is a quitter, is Newt’s fault.

The fact that Dede, after quitting, threw her support to the Dem candidate is Newt’s fault.

The fact that Dede, after quitting, was recruited by the White House, Chuck Schumer, etc., is Newt’s fault.

The fact that after Dede’s recruitment by the Dems, she endorsed the opposition party’s candidates is Newt’s fault.

You know, when I was little and got into trouble, my parents didn’t punish my sister for it. My actions were my responsibility, not my sister’s.


86 posted on 11/14/2011 9:06:28 AM PST by Mari2525
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Don't you find that somewhat strange? I do.

It really isn't surprising though..it was predicted many Palin supporters would move to Cain and that seems to be playing out.

I was in Palins court and hoped she would come along far enough where she could represent our nation and bring us back on course. But once she announced she wasn't running I had to look elsewhere......but it became more than just picking another candidate, it was putting aside personal 'likability' of a candidate and really looking at the state of our nation and the world and who is best suited to bring our country back on track. You look differently then at who your selection is...when time becomes a huge element in the equation.

....They all have "baggage" current and otherwise, and none represent everything which I might want...but the real question remained...WHO is best equipped and can do the job from day one, there's no time for a learning curve, and WHO knows how to get it done, there's no time to learn the washington landscape.

Newt gets it hands down at every point which matters in turning this ship...

87 posted on 11/14/2011 9:08:42 AM PST by caww
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To: Mari2525

What are talking about? Gingrich endorsed the hard-left Scozzafava. He co-signed her political note. Why would any conservative trust him or his judgment?


88 posted on 11/14/2011 9:10:11 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: TomGuy
I thought the survey interesting..it's a good sample..nearly 8000 votes, and of course we know the type that generally frequents NY..an "establishment neo-con conservative" ( I'm not trying to typecast anyone).. and hardly what one could call an Evangelical or a social conservative.

NR has been very supportive of Cain during these charges, and has posted several positive pieces. This was a head-to-head poll..I thought that it would be even..maybe even Cain by a nose..bu this is a pretty overwhelming majority.

When the GOP candidate herd thins out..there's about 40% of the vote..consisting of the 2nd tier and the undecided..that has to go somewheres..it won't be to Mitt...

89 posted on 11/14/2011 9:11:29 AM PST by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: xzins
Newt's mistake was that, in order to show he's a man of the people, he should have had the credit line with Zale's..(g)

I wasn't knocking him for that..but she doesn't come across as a likeable persona in public...and I think it could be a problem..

90 posted on 11/14/2011 9:17:08 AM PST by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: caww

I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist, but what you mention is what I observe, also.

And, he seems willing—in fact, desirous—and very able to go beyond answers/conclusions. He has the inclination toward education and thinking.

Isn’t that EXACTLY what we need with a general population so long and so poorly served in their educational experiences that so many seem to have so little understanding of our roots, self-reliant culture, and form of government?

After all, our Founding Fathers often stated that this unique form of government requires both an EDUCATED and MORAL citizenry. Otherwise, it will not work.


91 posted on 11/14/2011 9:17:19 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: JimInMO

Newt’s been “educating” the public at every debate..as well as the candidates themselves. Remarkable how he is bringing along those who would have never thought they’d consider him...but then most have never learned why we are where we at and what can be done to turn the tide.....he has solutions and is comfortable in naming them as they are.

Do I agree with all..no.. but I do agree with what really matters at this time we are in...and Newt has the goods to not only bring it to the table...but to galvanize congress to act where they need to...and he knows the pressure points to get it done.


92 posted on 11/14/2011 9:30:02 AM PST by caww
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To: caww
>>but he seems much more at peace with himself and it shows.<<

I agree. I have seen a dramatic change since he began proclaiming his faith.

93 posted on 11/14/2011 9:35:37 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: EternalVigilance

I believe I made it clear in my previous post that I knew Newt endorsed Dede. Remember, I said The Republican Newt Gingrich endorsed the Republican Candidate.

But that doesn’t make Newt responsible for Dede’s subsequent actions of quitting the race, throwing her support to the democrat running against her or endorsing other democrats.

Dede is responsible for what she did.


94 posted on 11/14/2011 9:37:22 AM PST by Mari2525
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To: caww

Let’s face it: effective communication has always been necessary to any great enterprise.

Be it survivial of a herd of antelope on the African plain, or Thomas Paine in “Common Sense”, or Abraham Lincoln in the Gettysberg Address—to crystallize the public into moving in a coordinated manner in a particular (good) direction requires that they be “educated”. And that requires good communication.

Newt seems to be doing a good job of that!


95 posted on 11/14/2011 9:38:32 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: JimInMO
effective communication

And that is key to getting things accomplished. Newt generally think through...and is fast on his feet..we see this often when the media attempts to trip him up.

He will never get it all right...and I can live with the flubs...as too many expect every word from any candidate to be perfection..it never will be so.. they will always be disappointed in any Pres. or candidates.

I am very comfortable with my support of Newt..He is what this country needs at this time...and he will act as quick as possible when he gets there, though I don't expect quick results...Washington moves very slowly..but Newt knows how to prick the gouds....they'll come around.

96 posted on 11/14/2011 9:47:47 AM PST by caww
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To: CynicalBear
I agree. I have seen a dramatic change since he began proclaiming his faith.

Interesting is I noted the change before I knew of his story that He had found His faith. But that would explain it. I think also he is settled in his homelife....it appears even his former wives are supporting his run...which speaks volumes.

97 posted on 11/14/2011 9:51:11 AM PST by caww
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To: caww

Yes, we are human, afterall. Bound to make mistakes, and have limitations.

However, as I am hopeful that Newt’s more personal and foundational faith will be his anchor, I hope that will greatly aid him in his leadership, if he ascends to the position of President.

Am curious why the three or four comments referring to his faith (and the principles thereof) have not drawn more notice, interest, or comment from the posters. Any idea?


98 posted on 11/14/2011 9:56:48 AM PST by JimInMO
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To: JimInMO

His faith will play a secondary role for many who choose to keep it seperate from the Presidency in their eyes. And I doubt Newt will make it front page news either...he understands that though this has changed him...and willl surely affect his decisions and actions as it has now...he will focus on the job at hand, though his faith will surely be what sustains and leads him..hopefully.


99 posted on 11/14/2011 10:07:32 AM PST by caww
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To: CynicalBear

CB,
I base my comment completely on Newt’s LONG history of wanting to be president -
and upgrading wives because one of his former wives “wasn’t pretty enough to
be First Lady”. A man who would do that would do anything, including identifying
with a major voting block.

I did not say that is why he did it. I said it makes me wonder.


100 posted on 11/14/2011 10:16:38 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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