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Herman Cain Reverses, Signs Pro-Life Pledge on Abortion
LifeNews.com ^ | November 22, 2011 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 11/22/2011 8:52:23 AM PST by julieee

Herman Cain Reverses, Signs Pro-Life Pledge on Abortion

Washington, DC -- Herman Cain has reversed position and decided to sign a pro-life pledge on abortion a prominent pro-life group has had other Republican presidential hopefuls sign that Cain initially declined to attach his name to months ago.

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/11/22/herman-cain-reverses-signs-pro-life-pledge-on-abortion/

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To: marty60

>> MONEY. ANYONE can throw a few bucks at a cause. It was YOU that got caught with your arrogance. What legislation has Cain supported with that big voice of his. I never listened to him, maybe you can list them for us. >>

You are an arrogant and ignorant ass. Money? Really that easy? What a class warfare liberal phony you are. Making money is NOT SOMETHING EVERYONE CAN DO, and once made, giving it for pro life causes is NOT SOMETHING EVERYONE HAS DONE.

If you were really interested in helping pro life causes, you would welcome information that Cain had spent a million dollars of his own to help promote the cause. But you’re not. You’re not intellectual enough to think about ideas because you are obsessed with people. That’s how small minds are.

Cain’s radio audience and others who have followed his career for decades know his stance.

You have shown your total ignorance of economics by minimizing a guy who was raised in poverty being successful enough to then turn around and donate a million bucks to anything.

If your interests were really in the best interests of the country and the pro life cause - as opposed to your own narrow agenda - you would celebrate such a bit of information.

I bet Rick Perry himself would be totally ashamed of your post.


51 posted on 11/22/2011 10:43:25 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: julieee

And a wicked, immoral, unconstitutional pledge that is.

It includes a promise to sign “fetal pain” legislation, which bases whether or not to protect a child based on pain, not personhood, as the Constitution of the United States, and the constitutions of all the States, explicitly and imperatively require.

I will not support any candidate for any office who has signed this pledge. It is a gross breach of the sacred oath of office.


52 posted on 11/22/2011 10:44:21 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Newt Gingrich: The go to guy when you're down to the bottom of the bottom of the barrel...)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

” He’s put more than a million of his OWN money into pro life causes..”

I believe that is a myth.
The original LifeNews article describing Cain’s involvement in the million dollar ad buy for America’s PAC
was poorly constructed and ambiguous.
It implies that America’s PAC paid for the ads , but, describing it
as a “ Cain backed “ group could give the impression
that Cain was the major donor.

The America’s 527 PAC filing is here http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/americas_pac.asp

The Republican Leadership Coalition contributed almost a million
to the PAC in 2004.

Cain’s name does not appear in the contributions ledger.
And I’m sure he would often mention a contribution of a million dollars if he had done so.

Cain did do voice overs for the pro life ads.
The expense side lists this :
A New Voice
825 Fairways Court
#303
Stockbridge, GA 30281 $1,000
Spokesperson services 11/04/2004

A New Voice is the company owned by Gloria and Herman Cain.
More info about America’s PAC donors here
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00184143


53 posted on 11/22/2011 10:46:16 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The whole point of my post is that a voter has to believe Cain based on his words only. He has no record so how do you judge him? His words, well those have been all over the place. He can say "I am personally pro-life" after saying abortion is a social choice and agreeing it shouldn't be part of the political discussion,but then I would have to determine, because he has no record, which statement guides him or is he just being political.

Now if Cain made all 3 of those statements but had been a Senator or Governor who had a great pro-life record to point to great, but he doesn't.

If he voted for Clinton it's clear it wasn't very high on his priorities as an issue.

54 posted on 11/22/2011 10:47:33 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

OOPS hit a soft spot.

:-)

What does MONEY have to do with being Pro-Life. I wonder how much MONEY NEWT has given to pro-life causes. Apparently that is the NEW standard. NOT what you DO to stop abortions, but how much you pay to buy a pro-life label.


55 posted on 11/22/2011 10:51:26 AM PST by marty60
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To: buccaneer81

I want a REAL President..not yet ANOTHER go along to get along pretender.


56 posted on 11/22/2011 10:52:55 AM PST by marty60
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To: marty60
WHAT has Cain Actually DONE to stop the murder of the unborn?

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life

African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life

by Steven Ertelt

LifeNews.com Editor

September 13, 2006

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) — With the balance of power in Congress hanging in the air, a leading African American businessman says black voters in the United States should put their historical pro-life values above political party. That means voting for pro-life candidates rather than supporting Democratic candidates across the board.

Herman Cain is best known as the former chairman and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza. He is a political commentator and was a candidate for the U.S. Senate.

“More and more African Americans are pro-life," Cain said in a statement LifeNews.com obtained. “Our message to African Americans is simple — it’s time you vote for candidates who support our values."

Cain will underscore that message with a $1 million advertising campaign in key states and congressional districts targeting black radio programs and urban radio stations young African Americans enjoy. Some of the ads focus on abortion.

Name one other candidate who has done that.

57 posted on 11/22/2011 10:53:22 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Paperdoll

“Why don’t you Perrbots just tend to business and stop posting your stupid remarks s on company time? What are you, a bunch of bureaucrats?”


LOL.... You assume too much.

First, I do not suport Perry.

I am not on “company time”, because I sold my successful business and retired from a 30 year career at 53. That was 10 years ago.

So nowadays, every day being another Saturday, I do what I want and when I want and I say what I want ..............and support who I want.

In some respects, I see Cain as a likable guy, but I do not see him as having risen to a level of a serious contender for president. Apparently, with each passing day, a good many folks agree with me.

I’m supporting the one I believe will beat Romney, disassemble Obama (dismantle, take apart, take to pieces, take to bits, deconstruct, break up, strip down), and the one that has the best chance of success at turning our country around, quickly saving it from complete destruction............. I support Newt.

There, with that new knowledge you can modify your attacks. LOL


58 posted on 11/22/2011 10:53:29 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: Gator113

I do not suport Perry.= I do not supPort Perry.


59 posted on 11/22/2011 10:55:05 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/West 2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.”)
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To: BillyBoy
Better late than never. I like Herman Cain much better than Newt or Perry, but it was silly to argue that he can’t sign because it requires him to “advance” pro-life legislation when this guy is promising to make his “999” tax plan a reality.

I agree. Cain (who I like better than Mitt, Newt and Perry) should have signed the pledge sooner.

60 posted on 11/22/2011 10:55:34 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Sacajaweau
Yeh...Cain suggested electocuting Mexicans.

Glad to know you leave your home undefended. Just let the criminals walk right in, do you?

61 posted on 11/22/2011 10:56:18 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: lonestar
or lying your butt off.

Stop looking in the mirror, hon. It's warping.

62 posted on 11/22/2011 10:58:36 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: marty60
PERRY DOES on PRO-LIFE.

Rick does Rudy. Rudy does Pro-Death.


63 posted on 11/22/2011 10:59:56 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: normy; fieldmarshaldj
>> Cain voted for Clinton (according to Cain's communication VP). Now Clinton has never been pro-life. His wife voted for someone in the Dem primary and whoever that was wasn't pro-life. If it is part of your core, you would vote that way at least. <<

Heh. Check out this, Field. A Perrybot criticizes Cain for voting for someone who isn't pro-life! This from someone who touts the "pro-life" credentials of a guy who supported Al Gore and Rudy Giuliani. Of course the Perrybots have insisted on thread after thread that Gore was "a pro-life conservative Democrat back then" even after Gore's 0% rating from Right to Life in 1988 was posted on here numerous times. Maybe they'll claim Rudy was "the most pro-life candidate running for President back in 2008" next.

Normy, better watch out for all that falling glass while you're hurling stones at home.

64 posted on 11/22/2011 11:00:39 AM PST by BillyBoy (Rick Perry, the governor with a heart... for illegal aliens.)
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To: marty60
MONEY. ANYONE can throw a few bucks at a cause.

Let's see you spend $1 million of your own money on a "cause."

All mouth, aren't you?

65 posted on 11/22/2011 11:02:43 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: jessduntno

Why not be supportive of your staff members, no matter what their sex life? Until they bring little boys to work to shower with, there is no reason to get involved.


66 posted on 11/22/2011 11:03:12 AM PST by Yaelle (Still helping the Cain train wheels go round.)
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To: marty60
.not yet ANOTHER go along to get along pretender.

You mean Perry's relationship with Muslims and Illegals?

67 posted on 11/22/2011 11:05:09 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Picketing abortion clinics hasn’t done as much to stop abortion as the newest ultrasound machines. They show a baby with a beating heart, 2 weeks after the period is late.


68 posted on 11/22/2011 11:07:26 AM PST by Yaelle (Still helping the Cain train wheels go round.)
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To: Paperdoll

One more thing.

Yesterday I was essentially accused by a Cain FReeper, a craven lickspittle, of being a racist because I didn’t support Cain.

Today you accused me of being a Perry supporter and apparently a thief for posting “on company time”.

Some of you Cain supporters should stop and realize that your constant personal attacks, lies, deflection and silly excuses, are not helping your candidate..... not one damn bit.


69 posted on 11/22/2011 11:09:53 AM PST by Gator113 (`)
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To: marty60
"WHAT has Cain Actually DONE to stop the murder of the unborn?"

And what have you done?

70 posted on 11/22/2011 11:10:09 AM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: Yaelle

“Why not be supportive of your staff members, no matter what their sex life? Until they bring little boys to work to shower with, there is no reason to get involved.”

I don’t know, why? I was asking about whether he reversed on that, too? What’s a matter, I hit a nerve?


71 posted on 11/22/2011 11:11:42 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: marty60

>> What does MONEY have to do with being Pro-Life. I wonder how much MONEY NEWT has given to pro-life causes. Apparently that is the NEW standard. NOT what you DO to stop abortions, but how much you pay to buy a pro-life label. >>

The only soft spot is your liberal head when it comes to money. You are a class warfare liberal on economics obviously. MONEY is what we TRADE FOR OUR TIME, OUR SKILLS, OUR WORK PRODUCT. Therefore, it is sacred. The Bible talks MORE ABOUT MONEY than any other subject after salvation. How we spend our money is a huge barometer for both Born again Christians AND Randian atheists. Is speaks volumes about who we are.

So putting aside Cain and abortion and Perry for a second, what irritated me is your very UN CONSERVATIVE view of property, proving that you are a Huckabee type economic liberal hiding behind only one pillar of conservatism.


72 posted on 11/22/2011 11:20:17 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: verity

I’ll tell you what Marty has done. He has sat on his sanctimonious high horse making light of people who invest their time and treasure into it.


73 posted on 11/22/2011 11:22:21 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: buccaneer81

Oh, now don’t you know? ANYONE can spend money on a problem. That shows no committment.

If you don’t believe it, ask economic commie Marty........


74 posted on 11/22/2011 11:25:08 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: normy

>> The whole point of my post is that a voter has to believe Cain based on his words only >>

If you check above, there is a post from this very same site - LifeNews - about Cain spending one million dollars of HIS OWN MONEY in a pro life outreach to the black community. The aim was to get African Americans to vote for more pro life politicians as part of the battle for life.

If that is “words only” - then you have absolutely no respect for the idea of free enterprise and the Biblical principle of money being THE barometer for “where your heart is also.”


75 posted on 11/22/2011 11:28:02 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: buccaneer81

http://www.sba-list.org/sites/default/files/content/shared/sbalist_and_nom_scorecard.pdf

According to the SBA sight only Romney and Cain refuse to sign the Pro-Life Pledge.

But the REAL shocker is that Cain refused to support legislation called Fetal Pain Legislation.
That legislation would effectively end abortion. But Cain doesn’t support it. WHY?


76 posted on 11/22/2011 11:28:58 AM PST by marty60
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I didn’t “doubt” his credentials. I said that Perry had a record. I said that in response to a freeper who falsely claimed Perry was open borders.


77 posted on 11/22/2011 11:29:25 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Cain and Romney. 2 peas in a pod.


78 posted on 11/22/2011 11:31:13 AM PST by marty60
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To: C. Edmund Wright; marty60
Spent a million bucks of his own money for a pro life outreach.

Cain did not spend a million dollars of his own money. He was a spokesperson for a PAC which spent a million dollars of the PAC money. I went through the PAC donor list, and did not find Cain's name on the list of donors to the PAC.

79 posted on 11/22/2011 11:31:53 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marty60

>> That legislation would effectively end abortion. But Cain doesn’t support it. WHY? >>

Yeah, right, the abortion battle is going to be effectively won by the fine print in a piece of obscure (regardless of how well intentioned) like that.

You know less about legislative reality than you do money. Which is to say, you don’t know anything.


80 posted on 11/22/2011 11:32:12 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Cain and Romney. 2 peas in a pod.

If money were the solution to all problems, our kids would all be Rhodes Scholars.


81 posted on 11/22/2011 11:32:34 AM PST by marty60
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To: CharlesWayneCT

“did not find Cain’s name on the list of donors to the PAC.”

OOPS


82 posted on 11/22/2011 11:34:05 AM PST by marty60
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I said that in response to a freeper who falsely claimed Perry was open borders.

He's certainly open enrollment...

83 posted on 11/22/2011 11:34:31 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: marty60

>> If money were the solution to all problems, our kids would all be Rhodes Scholars.>>

You are a blithering idiotic child. No one said money was the solution to all our problems, but it damned sure helps in many cases. But that’s not the point. The point is you denigrated someone using their own money as a way to support a cause. That shows a liberal redistributive socialist mindset about money and property, which is to show a total disrespect for the foundational principles of our nation.

I never denigrated your blockading of a clinic, but I’ll tell you this. Any action or ability is defined by how many people are able to do it. Any dolt can blockade a clinic - proven here - but very few can accumulate wealth and then give it away to good causes.

You are a Mike Huckabee socliast - which is to say you are a pro life liberal.


84 posted on 11/22/2011 11:36:21 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: Paperdoll
As a very successful CEO, he knows the devil is in the details, and he is not dictator material.

He's successful, but not "very successful". He got his company back to profitability by cutting the stores that lost money. He never grew the business, nor did he increase revenues, during the 10 years he was in charge. He lost market share, going from 5th to 8th, and by the time he left the company entirely, it was 11th. That's not "very successful" -- 6 pizza company executives were more successful. And at least one of them who passed Cain's company got fired for not performing well enough.

And a CEO IS a dictator. Cain ruled Godfather's as a dictator, he made decisions and people carried them out. That's one of the big fallacies of saying a person who ran a private company has experience for PResident -- he answered to nobody, he was his own boss, and what he said is what happened.

I have no idea why he signed the pledge, my guess is people were confused as to why a guy running for president insisted that the President couldn't advance the pro-life cause.

85 posted on 11/22/2011 11:36:32 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marty60
Cain and Romney. 2 peas in a pod.

You mean like these two amigos?


86 posted on 11/22/2011 11:36:48 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Sacajaweau

But he’s 100% pro-life!!


87 posted on 11/22/2011 11:37:44 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Then why did LifeNews report it in a way that gives Cain all the credit?


88 posted on 11/22/2011 11:39:19 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: FourtySeven

I Like Him. I’m a Perrybacker. He’s Seasoned, He’s Teady To Lead.


89 posted on 11/22/2011 11:41:31 AM PST by ichabod1 (Vote for Rick "Adios Mofo" Perry, 2012!)
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To: buccaneer81

We’re not going to let the media pick OUR candidate. Principles, not poll numbers. Well, the Cain folks might be saying that pretty soon as well, or else they’ll all be supporting Gingrich since he’s got such good-looking poll numbers now.


90 posted on 11/22/2011 11:41:55 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The comments from you and Marty denigrating money, business success and spouting class warfare talking points proves that you are both economic populists liberals.

Your quibble with Cain over life is a matter of tactics and strategies, but you are argue the property question with a mindset that is loathe to our very principles. That’s not a matter of tactics or strategy, that is a hatred of our very free market system coming through and a jealousy of those successful in it.

Might I refer you to the Daily Kos and to the Huffpo. They share your views.


91 posted on 11/22/2011 11:42:09 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: ichabod1

I like Perry too. I am worried about how many of his supporters have a disdain for the free market, for success in it, and for the ability to invest those successes into causes.

Very disturbing. Must be Mike Huckabee followers looking for a home.


92 posted on 11/22/2011 11:43:34 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: EternalVigilance

I agree that fetal pain legislation is not a substitute for other pro-life legislation, but I fail to see why it is a bad thing to have a law that says you can’t inflict pain on the unborn.

I support fetal pain legislation as an incrementally better thing than what we have today, while we work toward the goal.


93 posted on 11/22/2011 11:44:54 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: marty60

If you’ve never given him a first look why do I see you on a good majority of Cain threads? What is it you gain? People are going to decide for or against a candidate (and maybe even change their minds more than once) based on their own ability to assess the merits of a candidate.

No one is going to change his or her mind based on your opinion. You aren’t smarter or possess anymore common sense than anyone else here. I’ve seen you state the same thing over and over again. People who are staunch supporters of any of the candidates are going to require something more than freepers (who claim to not ever considered a particular candidate) to change their mind.

The reason we all support our particular candidate is because of the criteria we deem important. We’re all here because of our conservative values and probably agree on on more than we disagree with, except for the candidates at this point in the process. We’ll all get behind the CONSERVATIVE nominee when it all shakes out so what’s the point? I just don’t get it. There’s qualities & positions I like in all the candidates (except Romney, Paul & Huntsman...well Romney & Huntsman have great hair) and other qualities I’m not wild about. I think most reasonable do.

Cindie


94 posted on 11/22/2011 11:48:47 AM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

But I wouldn’t hold it against him that he was paid to be their spokesperson. I presume he wouldn’t have done so if he didn’t believe in their message.

Thanks for the links, I tried to explain that (I think after you did, because I’m running behind in the reading), but didn’t include links.


95 posted on 11/22/2011 11:50:54 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The media isn’t responsible for Perry being in the single digits. He did that all by his lonesome.


96 posted on 11/22/2011 11:51:52 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: marty60

Somebody landed a plane at an executive airpark in the area last night and fled. When deputies found the plane, it was loaded with marijuana.


97 posted on 11/22/2011 11:52:29 AM PST by ichabod1 (Vote for Rick "Adios Mofo" Perry, 2012!)
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To: buccaneer81

YOu do know that the money was PAC money, that Cain wasn’t listed as a donor, and that his organization was listed as an EXPENSE to the PAC, which implies he was a paid spokesperson?

Yes, he was the spokesperson for an ad campaign urging blacks to keep their babies, and that is a good thing, and whenever we discuss it, that is the one thing that people can mention that he has done.

But don’t try to trick people into thinking he spent his own money.


98 posted on 11/22/2011 11:53:51 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ichabod1

Yeah saw that too.

They are getting more and more brazen.


99 posted on 11/22/2011 11:56:57 AM PST by marty60
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To: Yaelle

That is true. Perry advocated, got passed, and signed a bill requiring ultrasounds before abortions in Texas.

But we did save some kids in our day by picketing. It discourages women who already had doubts, and gives support to mothers who are being forced to abort by the fathers or their parents, which happens all too often while the hypocrits shout “pro-choice”.


100 posted on 11/22/2011 11:57:24 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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