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We're Not Electing a Messiah
American Thinker ^ | November 25, 2011 | R. Clayton Strang

Posted on 11/25/2011 4:30:57 AM PST by radioone

No one is perfect. No one. Not a single one of us has led a completely blameless life. We've all said something that we wish we hadn't. We've all lied, cheated, or stolen. We've all done or said hurtful things. Imperfection is a reality of the human condition. We know and accept that we are flawed. We realize that our parents, brothers, sisters, friends, and neighbors are flawed. If we accept this as true, why do we expect more from our potential elected leaders?

Every day, you can turn on the cable news, or go to your favorite news or blog sites, and hear all about the Republican presidential candidates and how imperfect they are. We all know about the sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain. Most agree that these charges have probably been completely fabricated. That being the case, we are then subjected to constant criticism of his campaign's handling of these allegations. Now we get to hear all about his flubbing of a question on Libya. The mainstream media has force-fed us clips of Rick Perry having a bit of a brain freeze during a debate. We know all about Newt Gingrich's past marital problems. He appeared in an ad with Nancy Pelosi, and he's criticized Congressman Paul Ryan. We hear these attacks daily from both sides of the aisle. These stories are designed to convince us of something that we should already know: no one is perfect!

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bachmann; cain; gingrich; hermancain; romney
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1 posted on 11/25/2011 4:31:00 AM PST by radioone
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To: radioone
The author is so correct. We've beaten up on our own long enough, it's time to look at accomplishments and record. Right now I see two former governors who have a record of governing and they are Romney and Perry. Perry has the better record and so far, I see no reason to abandon him. We have an economy to recapture and Perry has shown that at least he doesn't get in the way. If he can recreate for the US the accomplishment of TX, I'll take it way over what we have right now.

Rick Perry's repeated line of trying to make DC as inconsequential in our lives as possible resonates with me.

2 posted on 11/25/2011 4:37:40 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: radioone

If there’s one thing I’ve learned, its that those who scream the loudest that no one is perfect, are generally supporting the most imperfect.

This isn’t a new argument and not all of us are stupid.


3 posted on 11/25/2011 4:38:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: radioone

We are electing a PRESIDENT, not a MESSIAH, get over it folks.


4 posted on 11/25/2011 4:39:56 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: radioone

No dog abusers as President.

No “unit” abusers as President.

NO more Flip flop panderers as President.

NO MORE INELIGIBLES.

And no more Presidents who think they are divine.


5 posted on 11/25/2011 4:41:33 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: radioone
Most assuredly true!!

What we are - or should - be doing - is de-electing a stain...or "eradicating" if you prefer.

6 posted on 11/25/2011 4:42:00 AM PST by Logic n' Reason (N/A)
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To: cripplecreek

There is no Jesus candidate, look at the bigger picture, defeating the criminal enterprise is first priority. We need something we can work with who will follow the rule of law


7 posted on 11/25/2011 4:42:29 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: radioone

We’re nominating a RINO not a conservative so get over it. /sarc


8 posted on 11/25/2011 4:43:33 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cripplecreek

Obamacare has got to go.

So far only Michelle Bachman has really attacked Obamacare and she has no chance now of winning.

We know Romney will not do away with Obamacare.

Ron Paul is a nut.

That leaves us Perry and Gingrich. and Gingrich is in favor of the mandate for everyone to have healthcare.


9 posted on 11/25/2011 4:43:36 AM PST by Venturer
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To: cripplecreek
If there’s one thing I’ve learned, its that those who scream the loudest that no one is perfect, are generally supporting the most imperfect.

Typically, I would agree. However, we have many here who also say they would stay home unless candidate X is nominated.

For me, the only absolute "no" is Romney. Of the others, I could hold my nose for a few and fully support others.

10 posted on 11/25/2011 4:43:51 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: ronnie raygun
There is no Jesus candidate, look at the bigger picture, defeating the criminal enterprise is first priority. We need something we can work with who will follow the rule of law.

So who is saying there is? All I'm hearing is the same old "no candidate is perfect argument" that we've been hearing from moderates for as long as I can remember.
11 posted on 11/25/2011 4:46:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Perry has made few strides to regain his momentum, and Romney will never get my vote. It’s Cain all the way for me.


12 posted on 11/25/2011 4:48:43 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: radioone

Bingo!!! The holier than thou types are gonig to give us obama again on a silver platter.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 4:49:06 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: radioone

This should be good. Watch what happens when you present an irrefutable argument and the most guilty come around to try and deflect and rationalize their actions. Already seen one say “that’s because your candidate is less perfect than mine...” Pass the popcorn...


14 posted on 11/25/2011 4:51:03 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: arderkrag

We need someone with a proven record—Perry comes the closest to filling the bill.


15 posted on 11/25/2011 4:51:44 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: radioone

Newt didn’t have marital problems. They are moral and ethical problems. It’s not unusual for a man these days to have had an affair. It’s not usual for it to be to the extent Newt did. Newt’s AGW position isn’t normal for a smart conservative. His support of Scozzafava and the way he criticized Ryan’s plan are not consistent with a conservative. Newt’s core is not conservative. It’s not eating our own to point out that big government GOP establishment types aren’t one of us.


16 posted on 11/25/2011 4:53:16 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: cripplecreek

This is an unfair statement. I’m not sure who you’re accusing of being the most imperfect because I can’t tell. They all seem to have pluses and minuses. The most perfect is not obvious.


17 posted on 11/25/2011 4:53:55 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Biggirl

So you’d be fine with four more years of Obama? I mean, he’s not perfect but who is?


18 posted on 11/25/2011 4:54:40 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Both Perry and Bachmann are getting renewed interest from me. Bachmann needs to put her she-cat claws away and quit attacking the front-runners, but Perry is doing a nice job rehabilitating his image. My pecking order right now is Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Cain, Romney, Paul, Huntsman, but that changes almost every day.


19 posted on 11/25/2011 4:56:38 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: cripplecreek

All I’m hearing is the same old “no candidate is perfect argument” that we’ve been hearing from moderates for as long as I can remember.

Exactly. Why can’t the “moderate” wing ever hold their nose and vote for a conservative? This argument comes out when we’re having a RINO shoved down our throat and we complain about it.


20 posted on 11/25/2011 4:58:09 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
We need someone with a proven record

No, that's what you need. "We" are not a united front currently. I'm willing to give Cain the reins without a record. in fact, I like him that much more because he's not a politician.
21 posted on 11/25/2011 4:58:09 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
This is an unfair statement.

Says one of the single most obnoxious pro whatever RINO candidate running poster there is. You really should learn to ignore me.
22 posted on 11/25/2011 5:00:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cripplecreek
Well said and dead-on target. This pinheads would have us believe that we should ignore all of a candidates past history as a means to determine their current veracity.

Pah. All of the candidates have flaws. What is important is figuring out which flaws are telling about a candidate and which ones are not. Newt has become an absolute creature of the Beltway, feasting at its corrupt trough And his affairs to me show a man with no sense of restraint to fulfill his desires - they are quite telling.

Perry at least understands the 10th Amendment, Newt appears to have no comprehension of the concept that there should be Constitutional limits enforced on federal power. Once again, Newt projects an image of not having a sense of self-restraint.

So since both have raised the specter of humanity in dealing with illegal immigrants, Perry wins the nod when compared to Newt IMO.

Newt is the last of my anti-Romney choices (excepting Paul and Huntsman, of course). I don't see him being the type of candidate we need to alter how the Beltway works. Santorum is also Beltway-addled. To me, the only candidates that understand the Tea leaves are Perry, Cain and Bachmann.

23 posted on 11/25/2011 5:00:55 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: freedomfiter2

False argument: Attack the messenger.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 5:02:37 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: freedomfiter2

No kidding, if the GOP gets any more moderate they’ll be in Clinton territory. If they want to moderate someone so badly, they should moderate the party that actually needs it.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 5:04:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: radioone

His worshippers and the main stream media thought that they were when they put obama in the White House. Their message was that he would transform the world into a place that would make the Garden of Eden a slum in comparison.


26 posted on 11/25/2011 5:08:04 AM PST by sport
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To: central_va

One man’s RINO is another man’s conservative.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 5:08:35 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: radioone

Can we get Lieberman to run for our side ? He’s right down the middle so a lot of Independents and Democrats would vote for him. Maybe a Lierbman/McCain ticket. Some Democrats don’t like Obama - but a lot still do. If we could get Obama to switch to the Republican party, then really turn out as many mainstream liberal Republicans as Karl Rove, Bill O’Realy and Ann Coulter can convince to come out, we should be able to “convert a lot of liberals”. What a coup ! We’d almost guarantee that we’d beat the Democrats ! We just need to promise something to the unions and do some puppet-master-behind-the-scenes thing with Bloomberg and the OWS people. /sarc


28 posted on 11/25/2011 5:09:34 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“Right now I see two former governors who have a record of governing and they are Romney and Perry.”

Three former governors, with a record of governing. Three! :-)


29 posted on 11/25/2011 5:09:44 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: radioone
If we accept this as true, why do we expect more from our potential elected leaders?

Because they are people we are supposed to look up to?

30 posted on 11/25/2011 5:10:27 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: dirtboy
This pinheads would have us believe that we should ignore all of a candidates past history

You have a reading comprehension issue, pinhead. How did you make the leap from "All candidates have flaws." to "We should ignore all of a candidates past history." Why do think all three of your candidates are languishing near the bottom of the pack, when they once led? No-one can meet your standards...

31 posted on 11/25/2011 5:13:46 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: cripplecreek
Says one of the single most obnoxious pro whatever RINO candidate running poster there is. You really should learn to ignore me.

Falsed argument:Ad hominem. We really should ignore you...the site would be better for it.

32 posted on 11/25/2011 5:15:38 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: cripplecreek

It depends what people mean by “no candidate is perfect”. Logically, that is obviously true, because we are all flawed, but if they are using that argument to excuse some heinous act or moral shortcoming, then I’m afraid it doesn’t wash. These candidates are aspiring to the highest political office in the land. They SHOULD be held to a high standard of conduct.


33 posted on 11/25/2011 5:15:38 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: cripplecreek

When I look at our current crop of candidates, I see some really good conservatives. Romney is probably the most liberal of all but the rest have good conservative backgrounds.

Do they have flaws, you bet. Any of them.....!!!....any of them is far more conservative than some of the folks we have had running in past elections.

George W. Bush and John McCain would be considered ultra liberals when compared to most of these folks. I think our current crop is a good group and we need to stop disparaging our own.


34 posted on 11/25/2011 5:15:54 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: cripplecreek
If there’s one thing I’ve learned, its that those who scream the loudest that no one is perfect, are generally supporting the most imperfect. This isn’t a new argument and not all of us are stupid.

Question. Who is your perfect candidate? Do you think half of FR would agree? What's your biggest hot button? Amnesty/Border Control? If so, other than sealing the borders and getting rid of the most obvious criminals, what would be a workable plan to prevent any sort of anmnesty by getting rid of 10+ million folks? What kind of repercussions might be expected (fighting in streets, etc.)? If repercussions occur, what powers would the Feds have to assume to control it?

I'm a proponent of sealing the borders and getting rid of the worst elements, but cannot fathom a plan that would be viable to actually get rid of everyone that is not here legally. How much manpower needed oever what period of time? What tactics? Would Mexico rebel and not accept them? What response to that?

I keep hearing rants on "no amnesty", but have yet to see an actual visualization of a plan (other than folks seeming to think it "will just happen" if they get the "perfect candidate" in.

35 posted on 11/25/2011 5:16:21 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: ez

You can go suck eggs, shill. We’ve seen how you are willing to suspend your brain to bash those raising sensible critiques of Newt.


36 posted on 11/25/2011 5:16:51 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: ez

The messiah maynot be running but we do have a preacher.....GO CAIN!!!!!!!!!!


37 posted on 11/25/2011 5:17:13 AM PST by jneesy (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a mans character, give him power.)
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To: ez

The messiah maynot be running but we do have a preacher.....GO CAIN!!!!!!!!!!


38 posted on 11/25/2011 5:17:21 AM PST by jneesy (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a mans character, give him power.)
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To: Tredegar

Actually, to correct myself, and to be absolutely fair there are actually five candidates in the race who have executive experience: Romney, Perry, Huntsman, Roemer and Johnson.

Our crop of candidates are nowhere near as weak as the media will have people believe.


39 posted on 11/25/2011 5:18:13 AM PST by Tredegar (Huntsman 2012 - Qualifications, Experience and Expertise, MATTER)
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To: ez
My pecking order right now is Gingrich, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Cain, Romney, Paul, Huntsman, but that changes almost every day.

I'm with you, but I'm just a little more stable in my picks. As we near the real "post time" for this process to become official and underway, the numbers begin to get clearer and more set. Those who really need the traction either have to start getting it or step aside. Those numbers are what will ultimately determine the nominee. The perception of strength is often more of a decisive factor than the reality. Hate to say it but that's a fact.

On the plus side, so far it seems to me that the money and organizational issues that the press keeps crowing about is not having much effect on the process. I think that's because the American electorate has finally awoken to the manipulations of the press in favor of liberals on both sides. When the press starts taking shots at views that are contrary to conservative thought, organization, money available and etc, I start taking a harder look at that candidate, especially if there has been a surge for them in any substantive poll.

That's why Huntsman is off my radar. If Bachmann does well (even third) in Iowa or NH, she'll be one I'm looking at more carefully. Same for Perry or Cain. But I'm betting on Gingrich right now. I really want somebody who's not going to stumble in a debate and I know Gingrich, Cain or Bachmann will wipe the floor with Obama. I can't say that for Perry.

It's stupid, but a good number of brain dead voters will base their votes on debate performance alone in the general.

40 posted on 11/25/2011 5:19:15 AM PST by ExSoldier ("Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil: It has no point.")
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To: Vanders9
It depends what people mean by “no candidate is perfect”.

Seriously? Nice dodge, bill clinton. Let me try again to make the point.. Perhaps we should be looking at the totality of the candidate...their overall value instead of focusing on the flaws and disqualifying every one for one thing or another. Let me give you an example... Did Newt endorse Dede Scozzafava for Congress? Yes he did. Did I agree with it? No I didn't? Is Newt better than Obama for President. Yes he is. Would I rather have Newt or Obama? Newt. Should I go on FR and try to convince everybody Newt is a scumbag? No I shouldnt. Why? Because it strengthens Obama. Now you try it...

41 posted on 11/25/2011 5:22:46 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The range of possible issues is so vast, and the shades of opinion on each are so numerous, that it is impossible to find a candidate who will exactly match your own stances. Unless, of course, you stand for office yourself. I’ve found that no one reflects my opinions so perfectly as me. I find myself in pefect accord. I never realised what a genius I was until I checked through all of the issues and found how much I agreed with me. :O


42 posted on 11/25/2011 5:23:17 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: freedomfiter2

NO and HECK NO am I going to re-elect Obama!

IMHO I am also fed-up with the personal attacks that had taken place against Americans of PRINCIPLE such as Herman Cain. Not only were the attacks against Mr. Cain WERE WRONG to begin with, but they were very, very divisive as well.


43 posted on 11/25/2011 5:26:46 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dirtboy

False argument : Ad hominem. Just had two over-easy, thanks. Just because I shilled for Newt, as far as you know, doesn’t render my point either true or false. It will, however, give you an excuse for not having to address the issue and do the hard work of thinking.


44 posted on 11/25/2011 5:26:50 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: jneesy

AMEN to that!


45 posted on 11/25/2011 5:28:11 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: radioone

I think Bachmann and Santorum are pretty near perfect. Cain is relatively perfect too because those sexual harassment BS stories suddenly stopped. Why? Because it was a lie!!!!!


46 posted on 11/25/2011 5:28:35 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I see no reason to abandon him (Perry).

Abandon? After his first debate, I never supported him and never will.


47 posted on 11/25/2011 5:30:11 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: ez
Falsed argument:Ad hominem. We really should ignore you...the site would be better for it.

I encourage it. Better yet you should demand that I be removed so you don't have to face any opposition.
48 posted on 11/25/2011 5:30:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: cripplecreek

Glad to see you’re perfect and you know who is perfect. So tell the rest of us heathens who is perfect. I can’t tell.


49 posted on 11/25/2011 5:32:02 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: radioone

The perfect team:

Newt - because he knows how government works.
Cain - because he knows how the private sector works.

Newt can present the ideas and Herman can make them work for a conservative result.


50 posted on 11/25/2011 5:32:21 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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