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Black Friday Violence Reported at Stores Across the Country as Sales Soar
Fox News / The Associated Press ^ | November 25, 2011

Posted on 11/25/2011 5:36:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Despite a lagging economy and high unemployment rates, retailers are reporting this year is one of the best for sales, with 152 million shoppers expected to hit stores this Black Friday.

Early reports suggest that bigger crowds were found at the nation's malls and stores as retailers like Macy’s and Target opened their doors at Midnight.

It what seems to be a burgeoning Black Friday tradition, reports of violence erupted throughout the country....

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: blackfriday; christmas; economy; riots; scratch; shopping; simian; underarm
Did they ever catch the gal who pepper sprayed everyone?
1 posted on 11/25/2011 5:36:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Did they ever catch the gal who pepper sprayed everyone?

Nope. She took out her competition, got her XBox for dirt cheap, and got away.

2 posted on 11/25/2011 5:39:52 PM PST by montag813
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Symptom of a banana republic.


3 posted on 11/25/2011 5:49:58 PM PST by Track9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The potential for being a victim on Black Friday is a small price to pay to get some cheap foreign made crap that you probably don’t even need.


4 posted on 11/25/2011 5:51:35 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I must be tired. I read the headline & thought “Gee, I should post that on FR”. Then I realized I was reading it on FR. And no, I’m not tired from shopping. I actually worked today.

This is good news. Someone posted somewhere earlier they heard sales were way down.


5 posted on 11/25/2011 5:53:55 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: montag813

lol


6 posted on 11/25/2011 5:59:20 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Obviously personal observations aren’t always accurate, but, I was out today for a few minutes and noticed traffic was light and parking lots were somewhat empty. Not too much going on. There seemed to be maybe a few extra people out and about but nothing like I have seen in prior years. The only store I went to was Target (side note: They had ALL the registered opened, so kudos to Target for that.) and there were a few people there over normal but it seemed much less than usual for Black Friday. The weather was great and sunny out but there just wasn’t the people usually seen this time of year.


7 posted on 11/25/2011 6:04:26 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

Like a bunch of hausfraus scuffling today at Wal-mart over $2.99 wafflemakers?
It reminds me of a scene in the book `1984’—same thing but over cheap pots.


8 posted on 11/25/2011 6:06:07 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: CodeToad

You are a brave person, too many crazy people for me. I will wait & shop locally in our safe little burg tomorrow1


9 posted on 11/25/2011 6:06:55 PM PST by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: CodeToad

You are a brave person, too many crazy people for me. I will wait & shop locally in our safe little burg tomorrow!


10 posted on 11/25/2011 6:07:38 PM PST by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought of driving to Best Buy to get an ASUS tablet at an attractive price, before remembering that I don’t need a fracking tablet. I dropped a Prozac tablet instead.


11 posted on 11/25/2011 6:12:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Track9

Symptom of a Capitalistic society. I am thrilled that it appears people are spending again. That is good for the economy and we need it to improve.


12 posted on 11/25/2011 6:14:27 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

There’s no good news in this story because there’s no new information. “Sales soar”? Based on what, AP? Fat women killing themselves to hoard $2 waffle makers?

The 152 million expected shoppers is what they’ve been reporting all week. It’s an estimate based on extended hours and the hopes and wishes of the National Retail Federation. The story on Drudge says there were disproportionate numbers of teenagers out cruising the shops and malls. When you consider that teens have an astronomical unemployment rate, no credit and their parents have less disposable income than they’ve had in a generation, that’s a horrible sign. Chances are pretty good the yutes lifted more than they bought.

Not to mention loss-leader pricing doesn’t stimulate add-on sales in an economy like this. The zero-margin LCDs cost WalMart money to sell if they’re not selling HDMI cables and wall mounts to go with them. What the retailers sold doesn’t matter. It’s how much profit they made.

We won’t know anything until early next week, but I’m guessing the numbers that actually matter are going to be dismal. Although I’m sure that the AP will find a way to spin a happy face on them.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 6:14:27 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: CodeToad

Could be because Target opened at 9 the previous night and had sales throughout the evening til the morning. I am sure that if it was sunny out most people were finished and back home. Of course it depends of your location too. If you are in a depressed area than people may not have money to spend. I can accurately tell you that Annapolis MD where I live was busy as heck. Cars everywhere. Spending galore. It is good for Annapolis for sure.


14 posted on 11/25/2011 6:17:35 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: CodeToad

I went to WalMart last night for a $280 tree on sale for $128. There were people there, but I was in and out and home with my tree inside of 20 minutes.

Two years ago, I tried to get a laptop at the same WalMart and I couldn’t get in the front door.


15 posted on 11/25/2011 6:19:23 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: napscoordinator

Shopping at Target at 3 in the morning is not a sign of a ‘capitalistic’ society. It’s the act of extreme bargain hunting fueled by economic uncertainty. Nothing to do with capitalism (which if the government got out of the way would right itself faster than any other kind of market). They did this kind of behavior in eastern bloc countries, all but for different reasons (scarcity) but it was still anxiety and uncertainty that drove it.


16 posted on 11/25/2011 6:30:46 PM PST by Track9
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To: Track9

I didn’t know they did this type of thing in Eastern Block countries. So they would open up 24 hours and put things on sale and people would run to the stores and buy things? That is interesting. I wonder if they had any success? Well actually I guess not since they were destroyed economically.


17 posted on 11/25/2011 6:33:46 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: napscoordinator

” If you are in a depressed area than people may not have money to spend. “

I’m in Denver and we have a great economy outside of construction.


18 posted on 11/25/2011 6:35:05 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: napscoordinator

” So they would open up 24 hours and put things on sale and people would run to the stores and buy things?”

I am sure you are old enough to know that they would have limited items for sale so people did get to the stores as soon as they opened to buy out what was available. Seems very similar to me what happens for Black Friday sales. I think the analogy is valid.


19 posted on 11/25/2011 6:43:54 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
>"I’m sure that the AP will find a way to spin a happy face on them."


Retailers announced this year that More Americans spent more money than at any other time in history this BF. (Spent more on beer and toilet paper.)

20 posted on 11/25/2011 6:44:03 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: CodeToad

Probably so. I am not old enough for that.....at least I was not interested in politics at that time.


21 posted on 11/25/2011 6:45:35 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Track9

And beating each other senseless for sale items is just about the furthest thing I can imagine from a sign of “recovery”. It’s a clear symptom of the early stages of societal breakdown.


22 posted on 11/25/2011 6:46:32 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Comparative Advantage

152 million shoppers, half a dozen incidents, really driving to work monday is probably more dangerous. But we’re gonna do it anyway.


23 posted on 11/25/2011 6:48:54 PM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: CodeToad

These days black friday is really over by 9 or 10 in the morning. The door busters have turned it from an all day marathon to a morning sprint. Which is nice if it turns out you actually need to go to a store for something useful like soap.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 6:51:30 PM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Yeah, but the spinning of cliqued reasoning I guess is easy to fall for when you’re not actually paying attention to what is. I’m not a doomsayer, but it’s obvious we’re in a whole new economic environment and behavior is going to change accordingly.


25 posted on 11/25/2011 6:55:15 PM PST by Track9
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To: surroundedbyblue
Someone posted somewhere earlier they heard sales were way down.<<

That may be true....But I can damn well guarantee after watching todays market action...the consensus...Market commentators..(not the real market) will find it.. “better then expected!”

26 posted on 11/25/2011 6:57:26 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wife went out for some fabric and there wasn’t too much traffic after 10:00 am. Probably all the super sales were gone by then. My guess is that sales (despite the spin) will be down this year. All the people I have seen shopping have been buying necessities and bargains only. True test is how many stores fold after Christmas.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 6:59:43 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

‘with 152 million shoppers expected’——

‘expected’ by who? That’s HALF of the U.S. population.

HOGWASH.

Only the Unions and Fed employee’s are off today, the rest are children or are unemployed....


28 posted on 11/25/2011 7:08:47 PM PST by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: napscoordinator

-——Symptom of a Capitalistic society. I am thrilled that it appears people are spending again. That is good for the economy and we need it to improve.-——

Black friday is but one day snapshot..... The operative word you used is “appears”

One day does not make a season .....I think many retailers had their one big day and the rest of the year will be cautious at best

I know I am doing all my shopping on line this year.....


29 posted on 11/25/2011 7:11:20 PM PST by Popman (Obama is God's curse upon the land....)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

“We won’t know anything until early next week, but I’m guessing the numbers that actually matter are going to be dismal. Although I’m sure that the AP will find a way to spin a happy face on them.”

Bearishly agreeing with you.


30 posted on 11/25/2011 7:30:53 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: Freddd

When you take away the nearly 30% of Americans under the age of 14, you’re left with roughly 240 million potential “shoppers”. So according to this, roughly 65% of all Americans over the age of 14 were out shopping today.

The only way that number is even remotely possible is if “shoppers” are defined as anyone participating in retail commerce. Buy a gallon of milk, you’re a shopper. Pack of smokes, you’re a shopper. Fill up your tank, you’re a shopper too. By that standard, there are probably between 130 and 140 million shoppers on every business day of the year.


31 posted on 11/25/2011 7:35:15 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Comparative Advantage
Ditto FRiend! I spent the better part of the day stripping copper wire, cutting copper pipe joints, and stripping aluminum windows. My haul from a years work of rehabbing various projects.The wife use to complain about my stash until I showed her the check! She participates in the collection and cleaning nowadays.I love my wife!
32 posted on 11/25/2011 7:39:33 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed! WWW.MIKEMcCALISTERFORSENATE.COM check him out!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Despite a lagging economy and high unemployment rates, retailers are reporting this year is one of the best for sales, with 152 million shoppers expected to hit stores this Black Friday.

152 million? I find that hard to believe...

33 posted on 11/25/2011 7:45:51 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

My husband and I own an antique shop. I’ve been a business owner for 24 years and I have always had a Christmas Open House the two days after Thanksgiving. Over the years, we’ve built up a good regular customer base of people that come from everywhere (mostly coming home to visit family). October & November have been slower than the last few years, which have been slower than before.

Today, we had the Open House. There were not as many people as last year, and a lot of my regular travelers were missing. Maybe they’ll show up tomorrow. Money-wise, our sales were OK - nothing to brag about, but we did OK. I know a lot of small business owners (was president of our local merchant’s association for years) that are hanging on by their fingernails. If they don’t have a good Christmas season, I know several that will close. It’s sad to see.


34 posted on 11/25/2011 7:46:25 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: alicewonders

You should of offered some antique flat screen TVs at bargain prices to draw them in. Just sayin’.


35 posted on 11/25/2011 7:48:39 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: who knows what evil?

Read the thread first...


36 posted on 11/25/2011 7:48:45 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Revolting cat!
You should of offered some antique flat screen TVs at bargain prices to draw them in. Just sayin’.

Hey, I had homemade cookies!

37 posted on 11/25/2011 7:56:22 PM PST by alicewonders
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To: discostu

“Which is nice if it turns out you actually need to go to a store for something useful like soap.”

You might be on to something. These mad dash events tend to scare away other shoppers so maybe this start at midnight thing is about clearing those guys out quickly.


38 posted on 11/25/2011 7:57:15 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: goodtomato

“I spent the better part of the day stripping copper wire, cutting copper pipe joints, and stripping aluminum windows. My haul from a years work of rehabbing various projects.The wife use to complain about my stash until I showed her the check! She participates in the collection and cleaning nowadays.I love my wife!”

Awesome! Well done!!


39 posted on 11/25/2011 8:17:22 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Drudge has this headline right now on top of his page:


Black Friday Spending Flat


Lamestream media in this country is so horrible (including Fox). How do they know what the total shopping revenue is when the f'ing day isn't over yet ?

40 posted on 11/25/2011 8:18:26 PM PST by hawkeye101 (Electing lawyers to political office is like hiring a raging alcoholic to run your bar!)
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To: hawkeye101

I was one of those idiots at Walmart last night. Yes, I had lost my mind. I got there just before 10:00 when the first non-electronics door buster stuff was released for sale. The place was packed.

Those pretty much sold out in 5-10 minutes, followed by a mad dash to the cash registers. Some folks came back to wait for the TV’s, computers and electronics to be released at midnight. Walmart had a good system of spreading the electronics sales throughout the entire store. Same thing, as before. People got what they wanted from the circular and that was pretty much it.
There was no room to look at add-ons. The food section was all but closed to grocery shoppers as well as soaps, and toilet paper.
I went for the sheets, but I was too late. So I came home with a $248 dollar laptop, which I will probably take back in a few weeks. So I wasted a few hours at Wallyworld and got to see my fellow humans in all their midnight glory.


41 posted on 11/25/2011 8:43:29 PM PST by Betty Jane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bought a new shower head at home depot today. Does that count as black Friday? Is “black Friday” a racist term?


42 posted on 11/25/2011 8:59:38 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (Man the pitchforks and torches....let the revolution begin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At least a Walmart greeter didn’t get trampled to death by the bargain-seeking mobs.


43 posted on 11/25/2011 9:23:15 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do you notice they say this every single year on Black Friday, but then when the numbers actually come in, they are pretty weak. That’s what I expect this year. I was out and about today..it wasn’t crazy like in years past at all.


44 posted on 11/25/2011 9:23:35 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Do you notice they say this every single year on Black Friday, but then when the numbers actually come in, they are pretty weak. That’s what I expect this year. I was out and about today..it wasn’t crazy like in years past at all.


45 posted on 11/25/2011 9:23:44 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Went to the mall,more people there then I’d seen in years but everyone was quite civil.Avoided Electronic stores like the plague.


46 posted on 11/26/2011 12:42:14 AM PST by Del Rapier
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To: CodeToad

I’m in Denver and we have a great economy outside of construction.

True. Thank Goodness.


47 posted on 11/26/2011 6:31:01 AM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: Betty Jane
So I came home with a $248 dollar laptop, which I will probably take back in a few weeks.

Why would you buy a laptop if you plan on returning it?

48 posted on 11/26/2011 6:38:30 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: ken in texas

Because it wasn’t on the list of things to get. Therefore it will have to be budgeted around if I decide to keep it. It’ll be around until I see how the rest of the list and the money goes.


49 posted on 11/26/2011 7:20:56 PM PST by Betty Jane
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