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Alvin Toffler: Newt Gringrich's Reverend Wright
Classic Liberal ^ | Nov. 27, 2011 | theCL Report

Posted on 11/28/2011 3:24:53 PM PST by CaptainKrunch

Newt's Crazy Prophet

Alvin Toffler: Newt Gingrich's Reverend Wright

Newt Gingrich is not loyal to America folks, make no mistake about it. This man is a one world communist advocate and his every action in public life, despite all the "conservative" publicity stunts, prove this point explicitly. Like Larry McDonald said, Newt is not to be trusted. From a recent New American article,

In 1994, Gingrich described himself as "a conservative futurist". He said that those who were trying to define him should look no farther than The Third Wave, a 1980 book written by Alvin Toffler. The book describes our society as entering a post-industrial phase in which abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, and divorce are perfectly normal, even virtuous. Toffler penned a letter to America's "founding parents," in which he said: "The system of government you fashioned, including the principles on which you based it, is increasingly obsolete, and hence increasingly, if inadvertently, oppressive and dangerous to our welfare. It must be radically changed and a new system of government invented---a democracy for the 21st century." He went on to describe our constitutional system as one that "served us so well for so long, and that now must, in its turn, die and be replaced."

Are you with me so far? When asked what he believed in, he pointed people to this Alvin Toffler guy. In fact, Newt wrote the forward to Toffler's book, Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave. He's not just a fan, he's really, really into the Third Wave, ok?

In 1995, he gave a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Affairs:

"The American challenge in leading the world is compounded by our Constitution," he said. "Under our [constitutional system] — either we're going to have to rethink our Constitution, or we're going to have to rethink our process of decision-making." He went on to profess an oxymoronic belief in "very strong but limited federal government," and pledged, "I am for the United Nations."



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I heard about Newt Gringrich's association with the author of the book, "The Third Wave" today while listening to American Family Radio.  I have not read the book I have to say, but apparently Newt wrote the foreword to Toffler's "The Third Wave".  A book that advises the dismantling of the American Constitution AND organized Christianity, citing Christianity as a "dangerous religion".

Oh man, Gingrich is a big NWO wolf in a conservative suit.  I knew he was an establishment hack, but I had NO IDEA how bad this guy is.  Maybe even worse than Romney... if that's possible.

If we get a Newt-Romney ticket America is doomed.

 

1 posted on 11/28/2011 3:25:01 PM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch
A book that advises the dismantling of the American Constitution AND organized Christianity, citing Christianity as a "dangerous religion".

If I remember correctly, the book doesn't advise for it but warns of it happening. I'll have to go to my garage and dig around to see if I can find it, I haven't looked at it in a decade, but I believe this was a warning book on the 'third way' sneaky liberalism. It was written from the 'this is how it could happen' perspective.

2 posted on 11/28/2011 3:29:24 PM PST by mnehring
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To: CaptainKrunch

Didn’t Newt advocate re-writing the First Amendment a few years back or curbing free speech because we were at war that would last for years? First thought I had when hearing that was how Woodrow Wilson of him.


3 posted on 11/28/2011 3:31:55 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: CaptainKrunch

Newt picked Lincoln Chafee as his VP.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 3:34:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

It’s been decades since I read it but my impression from the book doesn’t mirror what is written here. Like you, I would have to dust off an old copy to see exactly what it said. If I could even find it.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 3:36:05 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: nickcarraway
Newt picked Lincoln Chafee as his VP.

Evidence? Documentation?

6 posted on 11/28/2011 3:37:10 PM PST by x
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To: x

One thing is for sure, you certainly are directed to a lot of wacky sites on FR. Also, the poster has about a month or so on FR and seems determined to personally sink the campaign of Newt Gingrich.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 3:40:30 PM PST by Melchior
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To: Melchior
...and seems determined to personally sink the campaign of Newt Gingrich.

I think he'll have to work a lot harder at this point.

8 posted on 11/28/2011 3:44:25 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: CaptainKrunch

I am also a conservative futurist. We actually had a class in high school called Future Studies where we read Brave New World, 1984, Animal Farm, Anthem, and other books. It is wise for conservatives to observe emerging trends for the purpose of combatting or accomodating them.


9 posted on 11/28/2011 3:44:55 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: x; TBBT

I predict if Newt is nominated he will pick Gov Susan Martinez to be his running mate.


10 posted on 11/28/2011 3:45:54 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: CaptainKrunch

I don’t think I ever actually read Future Shock or The Third Wave. You didn’t have to, because they were constantly being discussed and dissected. As I recall, Toffler doesn’t advocate anything, but simply describes what he thinks will happen.

The agricultural age, the industrial age, the age of information technology.

I believe he did say that divorce would become more common (which was pretty obvious) and offered a couple of solutions: Short term contract marriages, farming kids out to families who liked to take care of them. Again, not so much advocating these things as trying to think of solutions to a growing problem.

Of course, there is absolutely no suggestion that a return to traditional values and Christianity might help.

This was back in the 1970s, when the Cultural Revolution was taking place, 1968 being a major turning point. Hippies, dissolving families, the sexual revolution, drugs, “turn on, tune in, and drop out,” and all the rest of it, as well as the growing influence of TV and the new media.


11 posted on 11/28/2011 3:47:03 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CaptainKrunch
The book describes our society as entering a post-industrial phase in which abortion, homosexuality, promiscuity, and divorce are perfectly normal, even virtuous.

This has already happened. You are acting like recognizing the emergence of a new societal paradign is analogous to supporting it. It is not.

12 posted on 11/28/2011 3:48:35 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: CaptainKrunch

From a quick study of The Third Wave book, Toffler is prognosticating what a post industrial world looks like. It does not advocate a way to achieve this concept nor does it have ways to avoid them. My problem with Newt being on board with this thinking is that he always looks to Gov’t to solve things and if he has bought in to this being Americas future, he will reflexively take the wrong action on any of these issues when they arise thinking they are foregone conclusions.

Many of his ideas now on Health Care, Marriage and Global Warming already mirror this whole philosophy.


13 posted on 11/28/2011 3:48:55 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: mnehring
I had a history class where the prof used Toffler's book as the main text (looking back now I have no idea how he got away with it). Anyway, IIRC, Toffler's argument is that we're now in an era that is so unforseeably unique that the two major camps in western political philosophy -- the classical liberals (limited government) and the socialists (mega government) -- are both wrong and that a third way is not just required but inevitable. It's been a long time and I wasn't as tuned in politically at the time, but my recollection is that Toffler is definitely advocating for a complete overhaul of the present Constitutional system.
14 posted on 11/28/2011 3:48:57 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: CaptainKrunch
I'm NOT endorsing anyone, but even those two would be better than what we have in the WH today.
15 posted on 11/28/2011 3:49:13 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: mnehring
If I remember correctly, the book doesn't advise for it but warns of it happening. I'll have to go to my garage and dig around to see if I can find it, I haven't looked at it in a decade, but I believe this was a warning book on the 'third way' sneaky liberalism. It was written from the 'this is how it could happen' perspective.

Judging from the reviews it was more descriptive than prescriptive.

It sounds like Toffler was interested in alternatives to existing society and the nuclear family, though, and the "dismantling of the American Constitution and organized Christianity" is what people conclude from that.

16 posted on 11/28/2011 3:52:22 PM PST by x
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To: Cicero
As I recall, Toffler doesn’t advocate anything, but simply describes what he thinks will happen.

Right, and it seems he was right on track, as I pointed out in a previous post. Futurism is nothing more than recognizing trends, folllowing them to their logical conclusions, and suggesting solutions...it is not advocating for the changes that will inevitably take place, but accounting for them.

17 posted on 11/28/2011 3:57:15 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: CaptainKrunch

This is from a hit-and-run newbie to FR who joined a few weeks ago. He likes Cain.

Cain will never beat bambam. Maybe that’s what you want.


18 posted on 11/28/2011 4:00:04 PM PST by zeebee
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To: Lazlo in PA

I respectfully disagree with you one thing, Newt has advocated a free market approach to combating “environmental problems”.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 4:00:38 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: CaptainKrunch

The Rev was good for zero, n’est pas?


20 posted on 11/28/2011 4:00:58 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: saganite
"It’s been decades since I read it but my impression from the book doesn’t mirror what is written here."

Ditto - read it in the late 80's - interesting stuff, but nothing mind-bending that I can remember.

21 posted on 11/28/2011 4:01:21 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Melchior

I’m beginning to think a lot of these posters are liberals posing as conservatives. One tell-tale is the hysterical charge of ideological impurity by one or more of the candidates. What kind of conservative expects ideological purity? That’s not possible.

Conservatives are NOT ideologues. We are NOT Utopians. There are no perfect political systems because there are no perfect people. The best we can hope for is a country where common sense and common decency prevail.

What’s more, the ultimate solutions to our problems are NOT political. That’s why conservatives try to separate and limit powers as much as possible. That’s my two cents.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 4:03:42 PM PST by Ge0ffrey
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To: CaptainKrunch
Interesting Summary of Toffler's 1980 book here. I can't say how accurate it is or how well it reflects the later (1995) book that Gingrich contributed a forward to.

No mention of China, though, and the continuing power of "second wave" societies that actually make things, as opposed to exchanging information.

23 posted on 11/28/2011 4:08:39 PM PST by x
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To: Yardstick
Toffler's argument is that we're now in an era that is so unforseeably unique that the two major camps in western political philosophy -- the classical liberals (limited government) and the socialists (mega government) -- are both wrong and that a third way is not just required but inevitable.

Sounds like classical Hegelian dialectic: thesis (classical liberalism [when the word wasn't coopted and corrupted]), antithesis (socialism), synthesis ("the third way").

I reject compromise with evil. Government which exceeds its constitutional limits is precisely the problem, not the solution. The founders were not wrong.

24 posted on 11/28/2011 4:08:53 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: CaptainKrunch

Beware of infiltraitors!

Time for you to go chum.


25 posted on 11/28/2011 4:13:37 PM PST by crz
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To: Perdogg
Newt has advocated a free market approach to combating “environmental problems”.

You are absolutely right as well. See, Newt has come down on both sides of this issue. He was for Cap and Tax before he was against it. He co sponsored a House bill that stated that Humans were responsible for Climate Change and went so far as to write a book on it, Contract with the Earth, laden with Gov't programs as prescriptions. The difference between Newt and Algore is only the style of Gov't action to take place.

Newt's Contract with the Earth: Pseudo-Science, Big Government

Now of course he is dialing back all of the Green nonsense with his POTUS run.

The couch these two are sitting on was payed for by Algore. WE is his Green outfit and Newt seemed to be on board this hoax as long ago as a whole 3 years ago.

26 posted on 11/28/2011 4:15:22 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Well;
Cat got your tongue?


27 posted on 11/28/2011 4:26:05 PM PST by mnehring
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mnehring wrote:
A book that advises the dismantling of the American Constitution AND organized Christianity, citing Christianity as a "dangerous religion".

If I remember correctly, the book doesn't advise for it but warns of it happening. I'll have to go to my garage and dig around to see if I can find it, I haven't looked at it in a decade, but I believe this was a warning book on the 'third way' sneaky liberalism. It was written from the 'this is how it could happen' perspective.

I actually felt a sigh of relief at your opinion of the book. I hope he is not that bad. But there are some here who have read the book and dissagree with your synapsis and the authors intent. Which is again worrysome.

 

Reaganwuzthebest wrote:

Didn’t Newt advocate re-writing the First Amendment a few years back or curbing free speech because we were at war that would last for years? First thought I had when hearing that was how Woodrow Wilson of him.

According to Newt fans here, that statement makes you "most probably" a troll bent on destroying Newt's candidacy.

 

Melchior wrote:

One thing is for sure, you certainly are directed to a lot of wacky sites on FR. Also, the poster has about a month or so on FR and seems determined to personally sink the campaign of Newt Gingrich.

 Nonsense. I'm a conservative, and I really would like to NOT have another socialist NWO jerkwad replace the one we have now. Anything wrong with diggin into a candidates past to find out the truth? I got problems with every single candidate running. No candidate is going to 100% reflect my values, so I want the one that is the MOST conservative to win the nomination (fat chance on that).

 

Yardstick wrote:
I had a history class where the prof used Toffler's book as the main text (looking back now I have no idea how he got away with it). Anyway, IIRC, Toffler's argument is that we're now in an era that is so unforseeably unique that the two major camps in western political philosophy -- the classical liberals (limited government) and the socialists (mega government) -- are both wrong and that a third way is not just required but inevitable. It's been a long time and I wasn't as tuned in politically at the time, but my recollection is that Toffler is definitely advocating for a complete overhaul of the present Constitutional system.

 And this is what is abhorrent to me. I'm already put off by Newts other past BS. Doing a global warming spot with Nancy Piglosi? Are you kidding me? This guy has some really bad stuff to keep hidden from us conservatives. This bit with Alvin Toffler could be the cherry on the cake.

 

zeebee wrote:

This is from a hit-and-run newbie to FR who joined a few weeks ago. He likes Cain.

Cain will never beat bambam. Maybe that’s what you want.

So you're an ardent supporter of RINO's? Intresting.

 

crz wrote:

Beware of infiltraitors!

Time for you to go chum.

Haha! I would say that anyone who SUPPORTS RINO's is more than likely the troll here (troll). After all, a RINO is the closest thing on our side to the socialist jackass that's in the white now..  eh?

 

mnehring wrote:

Well;
Cat got your tongue?

Nope.  Had to take the boy to TaeKwonDo practice. 

Back now.  See?

 

28 posted on 11/28/2011 6:56:29 PM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch

Yes, Newt was pushing this “wave of the future” crap big time while Speaker of the House.


29 posted on 11/28/2011 7:03:00 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson
RINO's are the socialist left's political infiltrators into the conservative's domain.  Romney is at the top of the list those socialist infiltraitors into the conservative camp.  And I deffinitely think Newt is running a close second on that list. 

Newt has been quoted as saying that, "if you want to understand who I am, just read Alvin Toffler's book The Third Wave".  THAT is a huge statement.  There is much much more with this Alvin Toffler business and Newt Gringrich that deserves to be scrutinized.

From HotAir.com:

Newt feels we need to rethink our Constitution and is no conservative.

Newt Gingrich: The Consummate Politician and Quintessential Figurehead of the Republican Establishment
~ Cashing In on His Political Connections ~

The same year he became Speaker of the House in 1995 Newt delivered a speech to the Center for Strategic and International Affairs in which he said, “The American challenge in leading the world is compounded by our Constitution… either we are going to have to rethink our Constitution, or we are going to have to rethink our process of making decisions.” This is a direct quote from Newt Gingrich. These are his own words! Newt Gingrich is a fan of author Alvin Toffler, who believes that our American system of government, which was designed by the Founding Fathers, and which is protected by our Constitution, has become obsolete, and needs to be discarded, and re-designed. According to Toffler (and Newt), “It needs to die and be replaced.” Newt once boasted that in order to understand him, you needed to read Toffler’s two books, The Third Wave, and Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave. When Newt Gingrich became Speaker of the House, he recommended reading Toffler’s books to all of his colleagues. He wrote the forward to Toffler’s last book, The Politics of the Third Wave.

http://www.lessgovisthebestgov.com/Newt-Gingrich-establishment-politician.html

It was also the same year Newt used a Lame duck session of Congress before the new Republicans could get sworn in to pass GATT turning over power to the UN. And he knew it. “We need to be honest about the fact that we are transferring from the United States..significant authority to a new organization. This is a transformational moment… This is not just another trade agreement. This is a very big transfer of power.” -Newt Gingrich on GATT, 1994.

GATT established a giant beauracracy called the WTO, sole interpreter of 20,000 pages of trade regualtion for 120 nations. It’s not about prosperity, it’s about centralizing Power.

Here’s some background info on GATT, WTO and Newt’s role in working with Bill Clinton. http://www.stoptheftaa.org/ftaa/gatt-wto.html

Read more: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/28/gingrich-im-a-lot-more-conservative-than-romney-and-more-electable-than-anyone-else/

 

 

30 posted on 11/29/2011 7:32:01 AM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch

I don’t know about you, but I rarely hear anyone in power speak of recovering the constitution in law. I don’t know that I ever heard any politican say that and it’s super irritating.

Newt is one of the globalist “third way” idiots. He’s a fascist technocrat wannabe. He thinks he’s so cutting edge and clever as he has directed the communists to fascist solutions instead. There is nothing new about dreams of global toltaltarianism and that is where his “third way” is going.

If he becomes president, he will advance the road to hell we are currently on and he’ll be given the chance to make great progress as our economy crashes and the globalists move for a global Fed, Treasury (taxation) and currency. That’s right up Newt’s “smart” alley. He’ll work out a clever deal for us serfs and bless himself conservative who saved the Nation.


31 posted on 11/29/2011 8:17:58 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Melchior

If examining the way Newt has sold us down the river all his career is ‘sinking’ him, so be it.

I’d rather know now..

Frankly I think that the progressives are hell bent on getting a guy in the WH no matter what side of the aisle he or she is on!


32 posted on 12/15/2011 1:11:20 PM PST by CowHampshire (NH, Tea Party, Banking Elite, Obama, Cloward-Piven, Totalitarianism, Fascism, Taxation, Soros, Perry)
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To: Ge0ffrey

The only purity I require is that the candidate be honest and consistent.

I don’t think Newt is either one of those.


33 posted on 12/15/2011 1:39:25 PM PST by CowHampshire (NH, Tea Party, Banking Elite, Obama, Cloward-Piven, Totalitarianism, Fascism, Taxation, Soros, Perry)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Once in a while there comes along a bill that both D and R can support... but 418 times co-sponsored with Piglosi? Gimme a break.


34 posted on 12/15/2011 2:13:58 PM PST by CowHampshire (NH, Tea Party, Banking Elite, Obama, Cloward-Piven, Totalitarianism, Fascism, Taxation, Soros, Perry)
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