Posted on 11/29/2011 4:30:04 PM PST by ken5050
The Cain threads have been passionate and spirited. Many supporters of Cain here, cheered by the statement from his campaign, that he is continuing in the race, have already sent him more $$$, or promised that they will do so shortly.
I have TWO questions for these people:
He is NOT dropping out..
The evil in this country is desperate....they want to tie this man to back of the truck and drive him around the country as an example to everyone....
I will NOT sit by idly....
His supporters will cut down the tree and burn down the plantation before we allow them to hang this man...
Mark Levin let the Canook have it by saying there ain't been no votes yet and if you like a candidate not on top of the polls, by gum support and vote for him or her and to heck with those saying ANYONE doesn't have a chance.
And until I see some real proof Cain did anything wrong he has my South Carolina vote on Jan 21st!!!
Answer to question 2 NO
Didn’t you say Cain was going to drop out? Is this your way of feeling better about yourself after being wrong?
“Well I liked Cain, but my support for him has dropped. Barring legitimate indications that the affair allegations where made up, I won’t be supporting Cain in any manner”
You have this backwards and I don’t think you appreciate how deceitful the MSM and the Marxist Democrat party have become. Absolutely NOTHING is beneath them.
You have all the indications you should need. Any story being spread by the MSM and which goes against any conservative candidate should be immediately dismissed as a fabrication until “legitimate indications” are shown that the story is in fact true.
How will you feel if Cain is able to secure irrefutable evidence that this story was completely fabricated by this woman?
Exactly.
In other words, it’s about “guilty until proven innocent”. There isn’t any real evidence about any of this. You’ve let the media condition you.
No and No
Yea, well Obama is a narcissistic incompetent clown and I didn’t have to wait for a court of law to prove it before figuring that one out for myself.
What I said was that I believe that he will drop out by the weekend...we shall see..
If you are going to let Gloria Alred and BIMBOS change your vote then you were never a serious supporter in the first place. Also if you are going to dump a canidate on his possible extra-marital affairs....then your other choices will be slim to none!
And what, if anything, does that have to do with someone making a serious accusation about another?
Yeah? I wonder how frustrated you’ll get as it becomes more and more evident that he won’t? It’ll be fun to see.
Is there a legitimate reason he was giving her money?
Was he just trying to help someone out?
I would like to hear Herman's wife's take on this. If he just was helping this person out; his wife would certainly be on board and know the situation.
We probably all know of innocent situations personally; that would appear very odd if someone on the outside was glancing in.
I would like to see more info before Mr Cain is thrown to the curb.
Cain is reassessing his support. When the first attack hit the media, he picked up additional contributions. I started watching the number of Cain Train supporters on his website this morning. As the day went on the number signing up accelerated. Later it was difficult to access the site.
I’m one who wants a conservative non-politician as President. I like the man’s background and his down to earth manner. I emailed his campaign yesterday expressing my support for Cain continuing.
I do not believe any of the other candidates can beat Obama. So why would I wait if my encouragement and donation encourages Cain to stay in the race, he beats Obama, and America is returned to greatness?
She mentioned it in passing while speaking on Greta’s program.
Well said.
I WANT to know if Cain is dishonest. However, I am not convinced. My first reaction to this news is that the first round of allegations didn’t get the job done, and so maybe if ‘they’ decided to make up a story (lie) that is more unforgivable than the first, it will show up in approval ratings. And maybe someone thought it would be funny if the newest victim was named Ginger White, just to throw in a subliminal message.
I am so distrustful of the media that I could be making excuses for Cain. But like I said, I want to know if it’s true because I care about having an honest president.
Support whomever you want. Starting this smear really puts you in a bad light in my world. I will continue to support Herman Cain and you plantation owners can get bent.
What if he had no skeletons? As in what if these women are lying? How was he supposed to get ahead of that?!
I listened to the audio versions of Reagan's diary.
One thing Reagan did, was occasionally send a personal check to some needy person. It was never publicized; Reagan was just being a kind soul trying help another person.
If Cain was doing something like this; more power to him. He certainly has done a poor job of explaining things if it is indeed innocent.
Thanksgiving dinner was an eye-opener.
I spoke with a Korea and Vietnam vet and officer, and his son, a veteran of both Iraq wars. Both devout evangelical Christians and solid men, one married for sixty years and the other for thirty.
They both were anxious about the election, and desperately wanted a conservative, but they reluctantly dismissed Herman Cain on these allegations. They had liked him before. They said, “where there’s smoke, there’s fire.”
Now this — this new woman sounds like a strange bedfellow to have on speed dial.
Most of the conservative blogosphere has given up in frustration.
I’m moving on.
I read it, and this is the info we have been given during this 24 hr cycle. Is there something here you wish to draw my attention to? As I said, I haven’t seen hard evidence of anything against Cain, so I am still supporting him. But I will wait perhaps a bit longer before making the next donation.
What smear?..I posed simple, straightforward questions. It is our collective wllingness to eat ecah other..battle each other blindly..to what end I have no idea..except the possible joy of villification....that’s why we make it so easy for our real enemies, the Dems...to persevere..
You will have to translate the following into your own understanding, but one of the powers of sin is to get a perrson pushing constantly against a particular temptation. BY being tied to the temptation, the person is under the influence of the temptation even if not doing the sin. [Jimmy Carter hit this obliquely when he admitted he’d lusted after other women than Roselyn. Jimmy Swaggert is the end fall of this sort of ‘fighting temptation’. Jimmy finally succumb because it was he who was fighting the temptation, rather than turning the thing over to The Lord.]
Let’s not be deceived, the DNC and media serve the father of lies, a murderer from the start. Too many are aiding and abetting the character assassination, in the name of ‘concern troll’ don’tchaknow. Like the poster of this thread!
What I find so ironic in this entire affair is that we here on FR are commonly characterized by the left as some of the worst racists around.Yet, we can’t stop supporting a “black” candidate.Wonder if anyone on the left will pick that one up?
It is a smear when you have absolutely no knowledge of Herman Cain or his campaign yet keep this shit front and center.
Alice Palmer?
Jim Oberweis?
Jack Ryan?
in that order?
Cain is a solid conservative. This man is what our nation needs. The allegations that continue to come in are impossible to disprove, so we have to use our common sense. These women have baselessly accused other men in the past and there is nothing to prove that this is anything different. Innocent until proven guilty....especially with someone who can restore this nation.
Go to his website and read the things he has written. I, for one, feel waves of relief at his direct, clear positions in so many areas, especially foreign policy.
There is not a soul in the world who can publicly claim understanding of Obama's Libya policy. That is because the said policy appeared to aim for replacement of a neutral dictator of a neutral country (who had things well under control) with a militant gang closely related to AQ. Who can openly say that Obama's Libya policy is to promote Caliphate and Islam, and help AQ to some oil revenue, and to spread some good weapons around? And if you don't say that on TV then what do you say instead?
My basis is simple:
1. The coordinated attack on George Bush regarding his Texas ANG records simultaneous with the Favorite Son story about Kerry on CBS.
2. The DUI release on George Bush just before the election vs. the complete disinterest (and attacking the accusers) of the claims by the Swift Boat veterans towards John Kerry.
3. The daily attacks on George Allen over the nonsense word "macaca" from the Washington Post.
4. The attacks on John McCain's wife vs. no interest in Obama's friends and associates, school records, etc.
5. The attacks on Palin and her family, vs. no interest in Obama's records.
6. The attacks on Rick Perry over a rock in a desert in Texas.
That's why I don't trust a media that throws out its journalistic "standards" when it rushes to cover salacious stories about Republicans, while hiding stories about Democrats that might hurt them in elections (Obama and Rev. Wright, John Edwards).
-PJ
Why listen to this woman? She told horrible stories about someone she used to work with, sent emails to a long list of people only later to recant when it was proven to be a bunch of lies.
If it were her first time I might be cautious, but this is her MO, I ain’t falling for it.
0 LIES. He is a liar.
What ever you have been told is his policy is a LIE.
What's to understand?
At least two of the women made their claims in 1999 or earlier, before Cain ran for public office, and before Obama would have known who Herman Cain was.
I was a Cain supporter. Despite the assumptions treated as Gospel Truths by many Cain supporters, it was not common for a CEO to be accused of two harassment claims in the 1997-1999 era. Harassment claims were not routinely settled; even the EEOC in 1998 was finding no basis for claims in 40% of cases. $35K and $45K were not in the range of settlement amounts for nuisance cases in 1999; a 1998 study I've cited multiple times showed that the average settlement of a sexual harassment claim that went to lawsuit was only $38.5K. That includes those claims of institutional harassment and outrageous behavior where the awards where in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the nuisance suits which were settled for less than $10K each, if settled at all. And nuisance lawsuits are settled for significantly more money than nuisance claims.
So there were two claims (more than would be expected), settled (not normally done with invalid claims not brought to suit), settled for amounts far above what was paid for nuisance claims in the 1998-1999 era.
I lived through that era as an attorney.
Obama and the Chicago way had nothing to do with those two claims against Cain.
Then Cain's campaign mangled the response by identifying the person who leaked the information to Politico by name, a ridiculous claim that we've conveniently flushed down a rabbit hole.
No, we can guess that some of this was Obama and the Chicago way, but not all of it was.
Scoutmaster, thanks for your consistently solid, informative posts. This is the kind of insight I look for on FR.
I've seen one Cain supporter state on FR that the phone records are forgeries. We've come to that point. A woman has phone records; the reporter texts the number and Cain responds from his personal phone (which would show the person texting him), and Cain supporters immediately think: "Those phone records are clearly forged by people with CIA-type expertise."
Not: we should wait to see what comes of this. Instead: "The phone records are forgeries."
Thank you, but I wish I had some insight into a candidate to support now that I'm not supporting Cain. It will never be Romney. Never. At gunpoint it wouldn't be Romney. Voting for Romney is simply voting for a liberal Democrat with an R by his name. As a genetic Texan, I don't trust Perry nor forgive him for his Democrat days. The conservative ranches and towns and churches and old men playing dominos in Texas during those days were already Republicans. I was never a Democrat and I'm a graduate of Sodom in Austin. An Aggie, a member of the Corps who was a Democrat? Brain damage or political convenience. Gingrinch has been on the other side of issues from me too many times. Bachman?
I can't get inspired.
Your cynicism is aimed at a conservative, while the rest of us suspect a setup by liberal opponents.
I know...it’s amazing...we’re not allowed to ask, to question...it makes us EVIL to do so..how we ever manage to win an election...sometimes I wonder..
This latest woman claims she had a long term affair with Cain. She obviously had Cain's number and phone records that indicate a fair bit of communication. She seems like a shady, seedy character. Yet Cain's explanation is they were friends and he wanted to help her financially. Err, why? If he hasn't done anything wrong, Cain could simply explain the details of exactly how he knew her and why he wanted to help her financially. But he doesn't. He basically just denies the charge without any explanation. Naturally the issue is not going to go away if he doesn't explain it.
Just how hard should it be for him to explain how he knew this woman and why he wanted to help her? Provide some context and details along with his categorical denial and she will have to put up or shut up. If she can't bring forward anything more to counter his explanation, it's over. If no one had seen them in hotels and what not, it's over. The problem is Cain handles these things badly. Either he and his campaign are just incompetent, or there is some shade of truth here preventing him from providing a full, detailed response.
That's what I am thinking. The Lawyers comments and his continued remarks about having to wait to hear what her claims will be before he can comment, indicates deception on some level. Sad to say.
Now ABC is reporting that the first accuser; Sharon Bialek; is being evicted from her townhouse...guess the Cain story didn’t bring home the bacon, after all. One liar down...
I am basing my judgments on what Cain says, not what the women are saying or is going on in their lives. Forget about the women, just listen to what he is saying (besides his denials, which anyone who wants to preserve their reputation will naturally continue to do).
Only because he was wreckable.
Obviously I’m somewhat more informed than you.
Cain was PATHETIC at articulating that.
He won’t be the nominee.
I like him but he wasn’t ready for prime time.
That’s reality.
Although not inspiring, consider Huntsman. He is a solid conservative, and although he worked for Obama, his China background is actually pretty damned important and impressive. He’s been pretty successful in the business world, appears to have a solid family life, and has been a governor.
He is my solid 3rd candidate.
As a native Texan, Baylor grad and one who has both sides of his family with counties named for them (Crane and Starr) I don’t get the Perry folks.
While I’m genetically disposed to dislike Aggies, ANY democrat Corp member is highly suspect to me. Don’t care what age they were.
Bachman, like Cain, isn’t ready for prime time. That’s just reality.
Tea Party rally is one thing, this is the big stage.
Gingrich, yes big past and issues, can articulate. Say what you will, but without him, 1994 would not have happened.
Look I haven’t been happy with my choices since ‘88 but I make the best with what’s available.
I wish we had stronger and more articulate folks. This is it.
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