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Ron Paul Soars In GOP Race, But Foreign Policy Views Are An Albatross
IBD's Capital Hill ^ | 12/13/2011 | Sean Higgins

Posted on 12/13/2011 2:24:45 PM PST by Slyscribe

Ron Paul is surging in Iowa according to the latest polls, but if the libertarian Texas Republican does become the flavor of the week, his foreign policy views will likely leave Republican voters with a sour taste.

The latest IBD/TIPP survey asked respondents which GOP presidential candidate they preferred on four issues: the economy, budget/taxes, health care and foreign policy. Paul is third behind Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, being the preferred choice by Republicans on the first three issues by margins of 9%, 10%, and 6%, respectively.

As today’s IBD story touched on, Paul is weakest on foreign policy, where he is the choice of just 4%, tying him with Jon Huntsman.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.investors.com ...


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1 posted on 12/13/2011 2:24:48 PM PST by Slyscribe
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To: Slyscribe

oh wow! ronpaul....

now we can blame ourselves for 9/11 and do nothing about it if another attack happens....he is my hero.


2 posted on 12/13/2011 2:27:41 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

You are pretty much misrepresenting his positions.


3 posted on 12/13/2011 2:28:33 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Vaquero

and don’t forget, happily let Iran get nukes and wipe Israel off the map!

*Ron Paul is a freaking nut, what would get us all killed*


4 posted on 12/13/2011 2:29:19 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

also not what he said.


5 posted on 12/13/2011 2:30:08 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Slyscribe
No, Ron Paul is not a threat to win the Iowa Caucuses
6 posted on 12/13/2011 2:30:33 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: rokkitapps
Seriously, you must not be watching the same debates I have been.

Paul explicitly said we brought 9-11 upon ourselves
and also said he didn't mind if Iran got nukes

these are FACTS.

7 posted on 12/13/2011 2:33:33 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Slyscribe
How is Ron Paul soaring; given that albatross; and more to point; why is he gathering momentum?

Are Repubs that crazy or desperate? What? Are his supporters on a Repub 'suicide mission'?

How stupid can Repubs be?

A rhetorical question; needing no answer; at this time. We know the RNC has it's own brand of stupidity as well.(i.e. telling Repubs to NOT criticize Obama; lest they offend those who 'feel sorry for him'. This even worse, perhaps; that Ron Paul "cases". . .and of course, the kind of judgment that allowed an Obama victory last election.

8 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:09 PM PST by cricket (/get the 'Occupier' out of our White House!/ Newt can make it happen. . .)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

His point was we co-existed with Russia when they had 5000+ nukes, so why can’t we co-exist with a nuclear Iran.

Iran wouldn’t be a problem if not for the military adventurism of the last 10 years.

We will have plenty to worry about domestically if the republicans and democrats run us into a brick wall without tapping the brakes.


9 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:22 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: rokkitapps

no those ARE his positions.


10 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:33 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

What he said was what was reported in the 911 Commission Report

Personally - I am definately voting for RP in the primary, despite his foreign policy views. Bachmann is a close second.

Newt / Romney / Perry / Huntsman = more of the same bs.


11 posted on 12/13/2011 2:37:55 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Slyscribe

The Republicans will get you little incursions.

The Democrats will get you wars caused by allowing evil to breed.

Ron Paul will get you an all out world war, not immediately but with 10 years.


12 posted on 12/13/2011 2:38:47 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: rokkitapps

>>Iran wouldn’t be a problem if not for the military adventurism of the last 10 years.

Oh you so much need the ZOT. LoL!


13 posted on 12/13/2011 2:39:09 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: rokkitapps

Because the Russians didn’t think they had 50 virgins waiting for them in heaven when the infidels retaliate after they have nuked Israel.


14 posted on 12/13/2011 2:39:25 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: rokkitapps

Ron Paul doesn’t need anyone to “misrepresent” his positions.

No amount of spin from Paul’s bizarre little supporters is going to change the fact that he is more aligned with the left than he is with the right, that he’s a blatant hypocrite and that he openly assoicates with or supports groups such as Code Pink, Infowars and OWS.


15 posted on 12/13/2011 2:39:39 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I’m sorry pal, but what’s so conservative about being the world police? I’ll hang up and listen.


16 posted on 12/13/2011 2:41:01 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: TexasFreeper2009

True point, and I don’t think Paul is right about everything, but with the debt that we have, we can’t have a trillion dollar conflict over every threat.


17 posted on 12/13/2011 2:43:09 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Slyscribe

Iowa caucuses require one to be a registered Republican. After a straw vote for presidential preference, one must sub-caucus and select like-minded folks to continue to the county and state levels, where Iowa’s 30-40 of 2400 national delegates are selected. Having to pay attention and follow through eliminates most Paul supporters.


18 posted on 12/13/2011 2:43:59 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Slyscribe

Anything can happen before IA.

The two conservatives combined are about 19% so current rino frontrunners can be toppled.

Vote for Newt is vote for amnesty. Over my dead body.


19 posted on 12/13/2011 2:43:59 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (radical rightwinger))
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To: rokkitapps

There’s a difference between being world police and openly being friendly to evil nations like Iran. Ron Paul has said USA should be friends with Iran. His views are naive and not conservative in the least.

When he whines about foreign aid and involvement, his anti-Semitic supporters know he’s talking about Israel. Ask a Ron Paul supporter the biggest problem and most will whine about foreign aid to Israel.


20 posted on 12/13/2011 2:44:26 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Oh you so much need the ZOT. LoL!” ... also .. it’s kind of sad when we can’t have a debate about a point without someone trying to just shut the other up.. If paul is so crazy, the more people that know the better, right?


21 posted on 12/13/2011 2:44:43 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: rokkitapps; Vaquero; TexasFreeper2009

“...we co-existed with Russia when they had 5000+ nukes, so why can’t we co-exist with a nuclear Iran....”

Big difference: the Russians weren’t strapping bomb vests on kids nor flying airplanes into buildings.

They may be commiebastards, but they love their children too and didn’t want to see them barbecued for the cause of “world socialism” - and they knew damned right well we’d do if they f***ed with us.

The Muzzies, however, don’t give a crap; they’ll watch the whole world burn if it helps bring about Dar al Islam.

Different beast entirely.

RP has some good points. Others, not so much. Foreign policy ain’t one of them.


22 posted on 12/13/2011 2:45:37 PM PST by NFHale
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To: cricket
How is Ron Paul soaring; given that albatross; and more to point; why is he gathering momentum?

Because of his constitutionalism. So far the Republican Party establishment seems to believe they can safely pretend that's not really an issue, and keep giving us champions of New Deal style Big Government to choose from.

Maybe one day they'll choke to death on them.

23 posted on 12/13/2011 2:45:37 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: rokkitapps
"His point was we co-existed with Russia when they had 5000+ nukes, so why can’t we co-exist with a nuclear Iran."

Easy...THE KORAN

However, to Ron Paul, America is to blame for the Islamic Caliphate, not the Koran

24 posted on 12/13/2011 2:47:00 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: rokkitapps

Well we agree about that at least, the war should have cost exactly one nuke dropped on Falujiah years ago, plus the cost of fuel and combat pay for a couple of pilots.


25 posted on 12/13/2011 2:47:16 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: Slyscribe

What would the correct description be for a person that would say:
“Just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately before there was any assessment there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq,” Ron Paul Dec 8, 2011

A. Nutcase
B. Classless jerk
C. Ignorant
D. All of the above


26 posted on 12/13/2011 2:47:35 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: rokkitapps

You should be sorry.

The US is not the world’s police, otherwise how could Iran be such a growing threat?

The US takes action when forced to do so for security.

Your blaming the US for the hostility Iran shows to the region and growing threat to the civilized Western world is nothing short of sick in the head.


27 posted on 12/13/2011 2:48:55 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: cricket

“Paul is third behind Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, being the preferred choice by Republicans on the first three issues by margins of 9%, 10%, and 6%...”

The headline and story don’t quite matchup. Disappointing, as I generally trust IBD compared to other media.


28 posted on 12/13/2011 2:50:29 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: tacticalogic

Ironic in that, with Pauls’ ‘Constitutionalism’ and his ‘foreign policy’- and Military ‘policy’ - we won’t need one.


29 posted on 12/13/2011 2:51:00 PM PST by cricket (/get the 'Occupier' out of our White House!/ Newt can make it happen. . .)
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To: Slyscribe

here we go again, eating our own.

This is what gave us Dole and McCain.


30 posted on 12/13/2011 2:51:27 PM PST by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: rokkitapps

Trust me, you WILL get Zotted.

Maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow.

But when you say the “US is to blame for Iran” then you will (and should) get Zotted sometime.


31 posted on 12/13/2011 2:51:38 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: rokkitapps

What Ron Paul are you talking about? I have heard him say on many occasions we were responsible for 9/11. Paul is delusional when it comes to terrorism and how to fight it.


32 posted on 12/13/2011 2:51:48 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Slyscribe

I wouldn’t call 9-10% surging. Looks like Newt has it about sewn up.


33 posted on 12/13/2011 2:53:42 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Let me clarify my point. I don’t think Iran is any more or less hostile to us because of our military action in the mideast, they are simply more powerful due to the vacuum created by taking out Saddam.

And if you seriously don’t think we try to be world police? That is a given - we have bases all over the world and are intervening in conflicts all over.


34 posted on 12/13/2011 2:54:45 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: cricket

Can you show me any other candidate that would come any closer to agreeing with Clarence Thomas on constitutional issues?


35 posted on 12/13/2011 2:55:23 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: GlockThe Vote
"the 911 Commission Report"

For a group of people who claim to hate big government, you guys sure are quick to accept "the 911 Commission Report" by the likes of Giant Government lovers like Jamie Gorelic.

Ron Paul and his supporters...I salute you!

36 posted on 12/13/2011 2:55:23 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Slyscribe

RP is a joke of a candidate and he’ll be an footnote after Iowa.


37 posted on 12/13/2011 2:56:38 PM PST by Signalman
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To: rokkitapps

rokkitapps
Since Apr 5, 2011

I have great news!!!!!!!!!!

There aren’t all that many Paulnuts on FR, so you folks will be able to carpool yourselves back to your mental institutions.

See.... I told you that it was great news. LOL @ you folks.


38 posted on 12/13/2011 2:57:34 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: Slyscribe
Everyone needs to study the issue of Ron Paul's racist and nutcase newsletters. No, Paul cultists, it does not matter that your cult leader denies writing the trash.

For decades, hundreds of thousands of people were reading trash under the Ron Paul name, by people selected by Ron Paul, and gathering campaign funds for Ron Paul. Ron Paul cultists either your cult leader is the nutcase of those letters or one of the most incompetent people in history to be oblivious of them year after year after year....

39 posted on 12/13/2011 2:58:24 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Berlin_Freeper

Ok, instead of a discussion of opinions, just threaten me with removal from the website.

I am in a late primary state, so it is just an intellectual discussion as I will vote for whoever the R nominee is, thanks for being a jerk. have a good day.


40 posted on 12/13/2011 2:58:41 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: rokkitapps

Saddam or no Saddam, Iraq is still Iraq.

The US has bases in some places around the world where we are invited to have bases and there are many more conflicts that do not involve the us than do. You are a hysterical Paultard.


41 posted on 12/13/2011 2:59:21 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: rokkitapps
"I’m sorry pal, but what’s so conservative about being the world police? I’ll hang up and listen."

That's about as close to making Ron Paul look sane as you will ever get. By acting like a democrat, Ron Paul drones have to lie about the foreign policy views of Conservatives. Ron Paul drones are fed to believe that everyone else wants endless wars and "boots in every country". That's the only way they can look sane in comparison.

Ron Paul is a suicide monkey.

42 posted on 12/13/2011 3:00:08 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: rokkitapps

Excuse me, a Paultard telling me “the US is to blame for Iran” and calling a me jerk is a good thing. :)


43 posted on 12/13/2011 3:01:22 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Gator113

Geez... one positive about Paul and this board goes apoplectic. I am not for Paul, I will vote the R nominee...


44 posted on 12/13/2011 3:02:49 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: tacticalogic
How is putting earmarks in bills, voting against them, then accepting and spending the confiscated money from the American people "Constitutionalism"?

Ron Paul - The Candidate of Fools

45 posted on 12/13/2011 3:03:19 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I made one positive post about Paul. You are a reactionary nut, pal.


46 posted on 12/13/2011 3:04:44 PM PST by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Slyscribe.
...is surging in Iowa according to the latest polls, but if the libertarian Texas Republican does become the flavor of the week, his foreign policy views will likely leave Republican voters with a sour taste.
s/b, "...is surging in Iowa according to the latest astroturf polls, but if the self-styled libertarian from Texas does become the flavor of the week, it will definitely leave Republican voters with a sour taste."


47 posted on 12/13/2011 3:05:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Gator113
"There aren’t all that many Paulnuts on FR, so you folks will be able to carpool yourselves back to your mental institutions"

LOL....needs repeating

48 posted on 12/13/2011 3:05:33 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: rokkitapps

When I hear a lunatic blame the US for the Iranian Terrorist State then I react, numbnuts.


49 posted on 12/13/2011 3:06:19 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: lormand

Ever hear of Michael Scheuer? Is he a nut too?


50 posted on 12/13/2011 3:08:22 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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