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Ron Paul Soars In GOP Race, But Foreign Policy Views Are An Albatross
IBD's Capital Hill ^ | 12/13/2011 | Sean Higgins

Posted on 12/13/2011 2:24:45 PM PST by Slyscribe

Ron Paul is surging in Iowa according to the latest polls, but if the libertarian Texas Republican does become the flavor of the week, his foreign policy views will likely leave Republican voters with a sour taste.

The latest IBD/TIPP survey asked respondents which GOP presidential candidate they preferred on four issues: the economy, budget/taxes, health care and foreign policy. Paul is third behind Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, being the preferred choice by Republicans on the first three issues by margins of 9%, 10%, and 6%, respectively.

As today’s IBD story touched on, Paul is weakest on foreign policy, where he is the choice of just 4%, tying him with Jon Huntsman.

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To: rokkitapps
You are pretty much misrepresenting his positions.

FR is, for the most part, hostile to Paul. Support him and the shills come running.

Just a friendly warning, they've locked off the site.

If you persists and try to discuss the complexitites of Pauls economic arguments, the global effect of a strong American economy and a small federal government to reduce warfare and belligerency worldwide through economic dominance, these shills will not play - because they well know they'll get beat soundly.

If you want to talk about Paul's decades-long dedication to protecting constitutional freedoms, these "conservatives" will instantly sound like DU slanderers, foul-mouthing threads until they die.

And of course, the background chant of crazy, crazy, crazy will be kept up, to make sure no discussion takes place at all - especially concerning Paul's support for limited and appropriate use of our armed forces to save military lives, limit military spending, and accomplish discrete and verifiable goals to a country run by the people, and not the government or military.

My advice - don't fight it. Watch it. Contemplate it carefully.

Learn.

51 posted on 12/13/2011 3:08:33 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Proud2BeRight
“Just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately before there was any assessment there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq,” - Ron Paul Dec 8, 2011

These comments remind me of his association to Cindy Sheehan when they both appeared on the Alex Jones show. Birds of a feather

BTW...I pick D - All of the Above

52 posted on 12/13/2011 3:09:47 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Talisker

The problem with Paultards like you is that you think you can nicely dissect something good about Ron Paul and people will ignore all the rest.

As if that is normal behavior.

It is not.

The fact that I have to tell you that means there is something fundamentally wrong with you.


53 posted on 12/13/2011 3:12:26 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: rokkitapps
Iran wouldn’t be a problem if not for the military adventurism of the last 10 years.

So that explains the Iran Hostage Crisis of 1979-81. The military adventurism of 2001-11 caused it. [/sarcasm]

54 posted on 12/13/2011 3:13:29 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: GlockThe Vote
Michael Scheuer you ask?

Are we moving on from the 911 Commission report now?

55 posted on 12/13/2011 3:15:46 PM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Slyscribe
Ron Paul is very good on domestic affairs, but his ideas of why Mohammedans oppose us are as nutty as they can be. (Not that I favor the Bush/McCain policy of decade long wars of occupation for nation building. I don't.) These people hate us because of who we are. A free people, Christian and Jewish. Period.

Also, I don't trust him on border issues anymore than I do Gingrich, Perry, or Romney.

If elected, we would just have to make sure there is a congress in place that will insist on border enforcement, stopping Mohammedan immigration into our country, and responding with overwhelming force (but not endless occupation) to any attach against us.

56 posted on 12/13/2011 3:16:00 PM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: lormand

“These comments remind me of his association to Cindy Sheehan when they both appeared on the Alex Jones show. Birds of a feather.”

I think you just dropped the names of his Secretary of Defense and Chief of Staff. Kuchinich would be his Secretary of State. The Illuminati and the people behind the chemtrails wouldn’t have a chance.


57 posted on 12/13/2011 3:21:57 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: lormand

The 911 Report cited what the islamists said and what capitves said. you can agree or disagree, but that is what they reported.

Personally - I am sick of our foreign policy and idiotic wars that serve no purpose whatsoever. We certainly don’t fight to win anymore. We never took over the oil fields, so whats the damn point?


58 posted on 12/13/2011 3:22:41 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Slyscribe

Why is it so surprising that there are Republicans who don’t want to go broke borrowing money from China to fight wars with Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, North Korea, Libya, Egypt, Kosovo, Somalia, Argentina and places yet unknown?


59 posted on 12/13/2011 3:24:18 PM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: lormand
The question was asked why he gets support in spite of the foreign policy abatross he's dragging around. If you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question.

There's no amount of spin over "earmarks" than can cover up the chasm of difference between him and the party establishment candidates like Romney and Gingrich on constitutional issues. This is not something that can be sidestepped with diversions about "earmarks".

60 posted on 12/13/2011 3:27:10 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Slyscribe

Who cares what Iowa does? It is one state.


61 posted on 12/13/2011 3:28:05 PM PST by TennTuxedo
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To: Berlin_Freeper; rokkitapps
The problem with Paultards like you is that you think you can nicely dissect something good about Ron Paul and people will ignore all the rest. As if that is normal behavior. It is not. The fact that I have to tell you that means there is something fundamentally wrong with you.

"Paultards"? How childish. And as for the rest, what a tired reversal of exactly what I just pointed out you shills do. And then, of course, your signature accusation of insanity (which is particularly delicious here because your definition of insanity is - literally - based on the fact that someone disagreed with you PER SE. Tell that to a shrink! LOL!).

Tellya what, little man. I guarantee there is a fundamental - and permanent - difference between you and me.

Absolutely.

Positively.

(P.S. @rokkitapps - read, and learn.)

62 posted on 12/13/2011 3:32:51 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: rokkitapps

I am so sick and tired of reading comments about $1 trillion being spent on our ten year war efforts, as if it was going to bankrupt us.

During that same ten years, we spent $5 trillion on welfare.

Please link me to one place on this forum where you have addressed that $5 trillion, have lamented it, and have stated it couldn’t go on or it would destroy our nation.


63 posted on 12/13/2011 3:36:57 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: rokkitapps
Um k...

You so eaisly prove why Paul and those who follow him should NEVER be trusted in leadership roles.

Yu obviously are not aware of the concept of Mutual Assured Destruction, that keep the Soviets at bay. They feared losing their life style and power as much as we did. Doesn't work with an insane and suicidal culture. The fact that Iran is closing on nukes as well as achieving orbit in their space program should strike fear into any sane American.

I won't even begin to address your “Military Adventurism” crap.

64 posted on 12/13/2011 3:39:53 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Talisker
"If you persists and try to discuss the complexitites of Pauls economic arguments, the global effect of a strong American economy and a small federal government to reduce warfare and belligerency worldwide through economic dominance, these shills will not play - because they well know they'll get beat soundly."


I pretty much agree with Paul on a lot of this. There is no way we return to a limited government without reigning in our military commitment overseas. The problem is that Ron Paul is not the right spokesman for this cause with his statements about being friends with Iran and making the assumption that people like Bin Laden are only attacking us because of our interventionist foreign policy.

We need to maintain Aerospace and Naval supremacy, but most of our ground troops could be brought home. Terrorists could be fought with Special Ops and Intelligence forces if we did not insist in propping up governments and getting caught in counterinsurgency operations. China and Russia could be kept in check by cooperation with nations like Japan, India, South Korea, Poland, Taiwan, etc. If we started to withdraw our land based forces, they would step up the the plate and start providing their own defense. In fact, Russia and China might just start worrying about each other instead of uniting in an effort to block our power if we had less of an overseas military presence. In sum, I think that we could provide ourselves with the security we need at much less of a cost and threat to the principles of limited government.
65 posted on 12/13/2011 3:41:04 PM PST by rob777
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To: DoughtyOne
I am so sick and tired of reading comments about $1 trillion being spent on our ten year war efforts, as if it was going to bankrupt us. During that same ten years, we spent $5 trillion on welfare. Please link me to one place on this forum where you have addressed that $5 trillion, have lamented it, and have stated it couldn’t go on or it would destroy our nation.

Wow, just wow. You want a link? How about this very article. Because Paul would NEVER have allowed that $5 trillion for welfare, and he would have gotten rid of the NEED for it, too. That's what Paul STANDS for! Yet you try to use what he fights as some sort of denoucement of HIM? LOL!

Chutzpah - you've got it in spades, buddy.

66 posted on 12/13/2011 3:42:59 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker
You are a bit sensitive for talking trash on Freepers and then crying foul, aren't you Paultard?

But then I guess someone who is dumb enough to cheer Ron Paul about anything, would be.

67 posted on 12/13/2011 3:43:55 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Talisker; rokkitapps

>>(P.S. @rokkitapps - read, and learn.)

rokkitapps claims he just made one single positive post about Ron Paul and intends to vote for the Republican nominee.

Your clinging to him like a teddy bear is a bit nutty.


68 posted on 12/13/2011 3:52:57 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
First: Ouch...

LOL...

Second, don't ya just love the Paulitard arrogance...

Why I used to call them the Paulinati, they are so much smarter than us...

69 posted on 12/13/2011 3:53:57 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Slyscribe
Ron Paul Soars In GOP Race, But Foreign Policy Views Are An Albatross

An ALBATROSS? AN ALBATROSS?!!!!! More like a 100 ton anchor! Between his foreign policy and blaming the U.S. for 9-11, this guy couldn't win dog catcher. Then again, the Paulites are, well,....

70 posted on 12/13/2011 3:56:08 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: rokkitapps

Well, Paul got booed off the stage in Tampa for saying what you say he didn’t say! Nutjobs are sane compared to him!


71 posted on 12/13/2011 3:58:07 PM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: ejonesie22

I do real good at ignoring them. I can’t even remember the last time I posted against one of them. But when I see the US getting blamed for Iran then the line is crossed.


72 posted on 12/13/2011 3:58:56 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Vaquero

Overall, Ron is not going to defeat Obama. Here we go again, the Pubs like Hugh and the DNC is the RNC to keep destroying our own. Newt has not fallen on his face as Hugh and the Dems have said. The smears have apparently worked via Paul and Mitt. Wow. So we lose again as a 76 yr. old nutter decides he is a ....what???


73 posted on 12/13/2011 4:00:17 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Vaquero

Overall, Ron is not going to defeat Obama. Here we go again, the Pubs like Hugh and the DNC is the RNC to keep destroying our own. Newt has not fallen on his face as Hugh and the Dems have said. The smears have apparently worked via Paul and Mitt. Wow. So we lose again as a 76 yr. old nutter decides he is a ....what???


74 posted on 12/13/2011 4:00:19 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Vaquero

Overall, Ron is not going to defeat Obama. Here we go again, the Pubs like Hugh and the DNC is the RNC to keep destroying our own. Newt has not fallen on his face as Hugh and the Dems have said. The smears have apparently worked via Paul and Mitt. Wow. So we lose again as a 76 yr. old nutter decides he is a ....what???


75 posted on 12/13/2011 4:00:53 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Berlin_Freeper

They are always worth a little entertainment....


76 posted on 12/13/2011 4:01:46 PM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: ejonesie22

77 posted on 12/13/2011 4:05:01 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Talisker
This is what I responded to:

True point, and I don’t think Paul is right about everything, but with the debt that we have, we can’t have a trillion dollar conflict over every threat.


Who said this?  Oh that's right, it wasn't Ron Paul.  It was Rokkitapps on this thread.  As such I have every right to ask him to please show me where he has shown the same level of concern about the $5 trillion we have spent on welfare.  Here's what I said in response.

I am so sick and tired of reading comments about $1 trillion being spent on our ten year war efforts, as if it was going to bankrupt us. During that same ten years, we spent $5 trillion on welfare. Please link me to one place on this forum where you have addressed that $5 trillion, have lamented it, and have stated it couldn’t go on or it would destroy our nation.

Then you come up with this brillance.

Wow, just wow. You want a link? How about this very article.  Did Rokkitapps write this article?  Did he choose to address welfare or our war effort?  He chose to address our war effort, even though it was 20% of what our Welfare expenses were over the same period.  Evidently you think I am unfair.  Well, I stridently disagree.  All Rokkitapps had to do, was link me to where he chose to spout off about Welfare spending instead of "war effort" spending.   Seems an easy enough challenge to me.

Because Paul would NEVER have allowed that $5 trillion for welfare, and he would have gotten rid of the NEED for it, too.  Did I single Ron Paul out?  No, I didn't did I.

That's what Paul STANDS for!  What has that to do with what Rokkitapps elected to focus on?  What has it to do with just about every Ron Paul defender here?  They spout off endlessly about our war effort costs, and hardly every mention Welfare here.  If you can scour the forum and find one place where the ten year (approximately) $5 trillion in Welfare spending has been addressed (with the same attempt at precise numbers you folk spout off about war spending), I'll be shocked.  And you get bonus points if you can tie them specifically to a charge that those welfare expense are going to bankrupt this nation, something always charged when we're talking about the war effort expenses.

Yet you try to use what he fights as some sort of denoucement of HIM? LOL!  I did not address Ron Paul.  I addressed Rokkitapps, and when I did I addressed his comments, not Ron Paul's or Ron Paul's beliefs.

Chutzpah - you've got it in spades, buddy.  Well, my response is this.  My level of chutzpah is probably reasonably matched by your level of comprehension skills on this matter.


78 posted on 12/13/2011 4:08:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Why back in '88, Conservatives backed Gore in Texas. What Reagan revolution? What laegacy?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
and don’t forget, happily let Iran get nukes and wipe Israel off the map!

*Ron Paul is a freaking nut, what would get us all killed*

I'm confused; are you in Israel, or in Texas?

79 posted on 12/13/2011 4:09:28 PM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Talisker
the background chant of crazy, crazy, crazy will be kept up

Have you noticed that this is a classic Alinskyite Communist polarization tactic? Something to contemplate.

80 posted on 12/13/2011 4:17:22 PM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: rokkitapps
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You are pretty much misrepresenting his positions.


ROKKITAPPS ...


You're clearly got the "Dr. Ron Paul really didn't mean what he just said" disease ...

The NUTTER blames the United States for 9-11 ...

The NUTTER thinks that a Nuclear-Wanna-Be-Terrorist State (Iran) really isn't ALL THAT DANGEROUS ...



I genuinely admire and support Ron Paul's position on the CRIMINAL Federal Reserve ...

But U.S. foreign policy ?

Ron Paul is even worse than President "May Allah's Piss be Upon him" Barrack Hussein Obama ...




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81 posted on 12/13/2011 4:17:35 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Berlin_Freeper
The problem with Paultards like you is that you think you can nicely dissect something good about Ron Paul and people will ignore all the rest.

What I want to know is why he's the only candidate the Republican Party seems to be able come up with that you can dissect and find that particular "something good".

They can only come up with one hard-core constitutionalist, and it had to be him. Why is that?

82 posted on 12/13/2011 4:25:23 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: rokkitapps

He has said that we angered AQ into attacking us. That’s not debatable. What has he said he would do about AQ?


83 posted on 12/13/2011 4:27:12 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Plummz

Are you on Earth or on Pluto?


84 posted on 12/13/2011 4:27:44 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: rokkitapps

“You are pretty much misrepresenting his positions.”

Welcome to an FR Ron Paul thread!!!

Truth, decency, and maturity are the first things to go out the window.


85 posted on 12/13/2011 4:27:55 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Talisker

Before we can help you, you must first admit to yourself that you have a problem.


86 posted on 12/13/2011 4:27:59 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~.. Newt/Palin-West-2012."got a lot swirling around in my head.")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“*Ron Paul is a freaking nut, what would get us all killed*”

Really? While I happen to disagree with his foreign policy position, how is his isolationist point of view going to get us killed any time soon? Please be specific.


87 posted on 12/13/2011 4:30:15 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: cricket

“How is Ron Paul soaring; given that albatross; and more to point; why is he gathering momentum?”

Because most Americans are not neo-cons. They view the Federal reserve as more of an immediate threat to their way of life than a bunch of yahoos half way across the world.

And they happen to be right.


88 posted on 12/13/2011 4:32:57 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

” how is his isolationist point of view going to get us killed any time soon?”

Is later better for you?


89 posted on 12/13/2011 4:32:57 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“Personally - I am definitely voting for RP in the primary, despite his foreign policy views. Bachmann is a close second.”

Full disclosure: I’m not a Ron Paul supporter yet, but am rapidly becoming one. For the issues that matter to me, primarily domestic, Ron Paul seems to be putting forth the most consistently conservative agenda. Unfortunately, this site tends to get bogged down in the too-loud squealing of neo-cons who can’t stand Ron Paul’s foreign policy views.


90 posted on 12/13/2011 4:36:45 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Plummz
Are you on Earth or on Pluto?

In his case, I think it's Uranus.

91 posted on 12/13/2011 4:37:36 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Trust me, you WILL get Zotted.”

Funny. I used to think that I would get zotted. But I’m still here 7 plus years later. Maybe today will be the day, but for all the lightning we see, Jim seems to be pretty circumspect with the zot.


92 posted on 12/13/2011 4:40:04 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Signalman

“RP is a joke of a candidate and he’ll be an footnote after Iowa.”

We’ll see.


93 posted on 12/13/2011 4:40:48 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian
I can't believe the crap I read from these people...

"The US is to blame for the Iranian Terror State"

"People in Texas should not care about Israel getting nuked off the map"

"Ron Paul is a fiscal genius that everyone should follow".

"I am not crazy for saying these things."

94 posted on 12/13/2011 4:43:11 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Plummz

“Have you noticed that this is a classic Alinskyite Communist polarization tactic? Something to contemplate.”

Interesting observation, but an apt one.


95 posted on 12/13/2011 4:43:45 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Is later better for you?”

Yeah. In say another 50 years. In the mean time, I’d prefer not to see us reduced to eating off of trash heaps.


96 posted on 12/13/2011 4:47:21 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Send an email to Jim Robinson explaining how the US is to blame for the actions of the Iranian Terror State and let me know how that works.


97 posted on 12/13/2011 4:47:29 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“I can’t believe the crap I read from these people...”

I say the same thing about neo-cons. They’re a lot like neo-liberals: impossible to logic with.


98 posted on 12/13/2011 4:50:00 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“Yeah. In say another 50 years. In the mean time, I’d prefer not to see us reduced to eating off of trash heaps.”

Is this an example of when I am not supposed to respond that you are crazy?

Because that is crazy.

Or am I now expected to spend my little amount time left seriously debating you about being dead versus where we eat from?


99 posted on 12/13/2011 4:52:53 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Perry Christmas & Happy Newt Year!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“Send an email to Jim Robinson explaining how the US is to blame for the actions of the Iranian Terror State and let me know how that works.”

Why would I? I don’t happen to take that position. Iran **IS** dangerous.

And so is Pakistan.
And so is China.
And so is North Korea.
And so is Russia.
And so is Indonesia.
And so Nigeria.
And so is Algeria.
And so is Cuba.
And so is Libya.
And so is Egypt.
And so is Palestine.
And so is Mynmar.
And so are at least 30 other countries for often different reasons.

Using military action to bring them over to our point of view just isn’t going to work.


100 posted on 12/13/2011 4:55:52 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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