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THE COMING WAVE (An Interview With Mother Abigail)
Tokuisei.Com ^ | 12-14-11 | James Oscar

Posted on 12/14/2011 4:59:02 AM PST by James Oscar

















THE COMING WAVE

(An Interview With Mother Abigail)


I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said, "I'll give you—shelter From the storm”


-Bob Dylan-









TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Science
KEYWORDS: freerepublic; h1n1; hiv; lusby; mddeaths; motherabigail; pandemic; ruthblake; tokuisei; virus
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To: James Oscar
Of the 159 cases confirmed to date in Egypt, 55 have been fatal.

That stands out.
141 posted on 01/24/2012 8:44:58 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: James Oscar
Thanks for the ping. It has always seemed to me there are factors which make toddlers likely to catch diseases adults don't:

First, they are close to the ground, and more likely to inhale higher concentrations of pulverized guano than adults whose air intakes are normally significantly higher up.

Second, Toddlers are notorious for putting everything in their mouths, and decidedly unsanitary in their habits (fingers in everything, and subsequent oral contact).

Third, and related to both of the foregoing, they are at a level where they will pursue, and occasionally catch fowl, and short of being pecked, will even hug them. They are more likely to breathe the very air molecules the birds exhale due to proximity, and associated pathogens with them.

The seeming disease preference might only be a question of stature and habit selecting the demographic, rather than medical factors.

As for Mother Abigail's prediction, yes, it raises a hair or two on the back of my neck...We'll see what develops.

142 posted on 01/24/2012 11:32:13 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: kalee

Yes...but King being a struggling English teacher before he got “famous” was very familiar with “Masque”. When I read “The Stand” I immediately thought of Poe’s “Masque of the Red Death”!


143 posted on 01/24/2012 11:36:07 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: James Oscar

I think the US spooks may have been monitoring your posts, James. A shot in the dark perhaps, on my part but as you quote MA...”There are no coincidences...”!


144 posted on 01/24/2012 11:45:07 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: James Oscar
I went back and started reading from the start. SOmehow, in the midst of prepping for a well, and all the associated work deploying to location, I missed this post.

This, however, jumped out at me, perhaps becaus3e I was talking with a friend who had been a few states south and west of here, who said wild pigs were everywhere...there. He saw them as a potential food source in tough times, but this presents a different face:

Pigs are seen as a possible intermediate host that can help in that adaptation because the epithelial cells in pigs' trachea can be infected by both avian and human flu. Where, in the event of co-infection, viral reassortment might occur.

145 posted on 01/24/2012 11:52:06 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: James Oscar
Her fixation on the use of neuriminidase inhibitors on HIV patients with the flu is based on the known science that neuriminidase increase HIV mutation. Which in a sick patient with coughing, sneezing etc. seems, to MA, insane.

It is not just the increase in mutation, but the neuraminidase inhibitors would not be in use if the flu virus wasn't present. Both the HIV and Flu variant together with increased mutation rates in the HIV present an opportunity for the sort of recombinant development which would present a 'superbug', an HIV variant which would be more contagious, and could cause the cytokine storms she describes.

Why out of Egypt?

Not just the flu, but the sexual attitudes toward young men in islam, and the 'silent' HIV progress through that population increase the chance of both being in the same patient at the same time...

This is a frightening prospect, if it occurs.

146 posted on 01/25/2012 1:33:32 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: flutters

Thank you,

That is a great resource to have.


147 posted on 01/25/2012 7:21:41 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: flutters
Even though I have spent several years writing about those days and what she accomplished in those dramatic 11 days of posting, it is a little breathtaking to see it laid out so linear.

I did not realize others were archiving the SARS threads on FR and the remarkable transformation that continues to this day.

Thanks again

148 posted on 01/25/2012 7:26:14 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: PA Engineer
Yes,

On face value it could be just another of many EOTWAWKI predictions found on the Internet, but when you know of her history with SARS and Ebola - it has to give you pause. Or at least it did with me.

I am amazed to this day as to how she, having been long retired from Epidemiological field work, predicted the host vector of Ebola - litteraly from her library chair on an old WebTv.

Cool stuff.

149 posted on 01/25/2012 7:32:27 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: PA Engineer

It seems excessive to me. I am also curious as to why the world has concentrated so many resources and such a state-of-the-art viral outbreak reporting network in a place like Egypt.

If you go to sites like FluTrackers, there are so many eyes on that geographical area and so many rapid response reporting mechanisms - it just seems out of place.

Very odd...


150 posted on 01/25/2012 7:39:22 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: Smokin' Joe
“We'll see what develops.”

I think you have just described my attitude as of late. I do now watch and post things that seem to be relevant to my novella but I have very mixed feelings about the entire experience with MA and the two year long writing - it changed my life. Meeting and knowing her radically redirected my world view of many, many things.

I suppose it is always like that when encounter someone of exceptional presence.

But in all honesty, sometimes I wish (like the guy in the Matrix) I had taken the other pill. Would be nice to be back chasing women, drinking too much and as naive as a child to the dangers in the world.

Now I am spending my weekends with real estate agents looking at cabins high up in the Sierras, with a good water source and very limited access.

Some things can't be undone. It is what it is. You make a choice and the lessons learned are what makes you the person you are. While I realize that the person I once was, spent his life in a bubble of self-absorbed petty recreation - knowledge comes with a price.

I suppose this is what my depression era raised father always referred to when he said “someday you will grow up”.

Sorry to vent but it just came out.

151 posted on 01/25/2012 7:55:32 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: mdmathis6
I am an RN by trade working in an ICU. If something like this broke out, I might be faced with an untenable dilemma; especially since I have family!

More like the opening pages of The Stand.

Chances are that by the time a fast-moving, highly contagious disease was recognized to be a threat, it would be widespread enough that the damage would be done. Every time you walk through the ER, there are people presenting with URT symptoms, sniffles and sneezing among them--in this scenario, any one of them could be transmitting the new variant by air.

Small groups would be most likely to survive, and those with limited human contact outside the group. (Think wilderness area hikers, families on camping trips, etc.) Virtually anyone in a large population cluster would be toast unless they had some natural immunity which is unknown. Most would take it home to or catch it from their families before they knew they were infected.

Defoe's Journal of the Plague Years might be closer, but this could be far worse.

Of course, the question remains of whether the survivors would be able to salvage stuff from the ruins without getting infected themselves, and if so, how soon? Without that capability, civilization as we know it would be set back a few centuries at best within a generation.

152 posted on 01/25/2012 9:43:06 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: James Oscar
But in all honesty, sometimes I wish (like the guy in the Matrix) I had taken the other pill.

My experience is the rabbit hole is much deeper than I could have imagined. I have no regrets, but do miss the frivolity of my youth.

Something is bothering that I have not mentioned previously. I spent many years working in the middle east. It is the very nature of Salafists and Wahabists homosexual practice that will be the silent mutation reservoir for HIV. Just my opinion.
153 posted on 01/25/2012 12:18:26 PM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

Agreed. The HIV reservoir is totally unknown due to the reasons you cite as well as the stigma that prevents even rudimentary testing.


154 posted on 01/25/2012 12:46:51 PM PST by James Oscar
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, I’m pretty alert to seeing influxes of persons with strange patterns of Flu.
2 years ago we had an influx of young folks 18 to 25 come in with Flu sx’s and strange streaky temps” during the H1ni/scare. They never called it pneumonia per se, pneumonitis was used a few times as a dx and all the bacterial cultures came back negative...at least the initial ones.(They got prophylactically treated for potential bacterial “ride ins”) Of course all of them seemed to test “negative” for any sort of flu, but I felt at the time the data was being “hushed” up.

Massive steroids and antipyretics helped them get past the “crash” stage but they were intubated for a week or more. One I remember was a rather “cut” young man, one who one would never think that could get so sick! A number of staff became ill off and on at the same time but we’d all had flu shots provided by the hospital so none of the staff got so ill that they needed to be hospitalized. But it was a “flu” that just sort of “hung” on to those of us that had it for a month or more...the initial symptoms would ease up and we’d come back to work, but low energy and sinus/cough issues persisted for up to a month in most of us.

I suppose if I saw a suddden influx of folks with atypical flu sx’s(and one gets a feel for when the patterns don’t fit right)...I’ll isolate myself from my family and tell my wife and kids to take cover and do little out in public as much as possible. The kids thru school might have already had exposure but if no symptoms..they might have gotten lucky enough to have avoided it.


155 posted on 01/25/2012 2:20:06 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Christ came not to make man into God but to restore fellowship of the Godhead with man.)
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To: RandallFlagg

LOL, how ya doing walkin’ man.


156 posted on 01/25/2012 2:27:20 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: James Oscar

James,

Thanks for your time in this. Very interesting interview. Chat later.

CJ


157 posted on 01/25/2012 2:56:40 PM PST by CJ Wolf (OMG - Obama Must Go!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Of course, the question remains of whether the survivors would be able to salvage stuff from the ruins without getting infected themselves”

I would assume there would be a few people who would be immune for some reason.


158 posted on 01/25/2012 2:59:52 PM PST by CJ Wolf (OMG - Obama Must Go!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Of course, the question remains of whether the survivors would be able to salvage stuff from the ruins without getting infected themselves”

I would assume there would be a few people who would be immune for some reason.


159 posted on 01/25/2012 3:28:56 PM PST by CJ Wolf (OMG - Obama Must Go!)
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To: CJ Wolf

My understanding from MA is that when the exposed hosts die the virus dies.

She explained that this is a very targeted virus in general and the mutation is extremely targeted.

Burns fast, spreads like we cannot imagine and then dies with the last warm host.

The virus is very fragile and cannot survive in a non human environment.

Immunity is not the issue - dropping your tools and running to the hills is the issue.

Watch Egypt.


160 posted on 01/25/2012 4:03:35 PM PST by James Oscar
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