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THE COMING WAVE (An Interview With Mother Abigail)
Tokuisei.Com ^ | 12-14-11 | James Oscar

Posted on 12/14/2011 4:59:02 AM PST by James Oscar

















THE COMING WAVE

(An Interview With Mother Abigail)


I came in from the wilderness, a creature void of form.
"Come in," she said, "I'll give you—shelter From the storm”


-Bob Dylan-









TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History; Science
KEYWORDS: freerepublic; h1n1; hiv; lusby; mddeaths; motherabigail; pandemic; ruthblake; tokuisei; virus
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To: James Oscar

February

Feb. 23 - 81-year-old woman began showing symptoms.
Not know what day she was hospitalized?
Feb. 24
Feb. 25
Feb. 26
Feb. 27
Feb. 28 - The three children, a son and two daughters, developed similar
upper respiratory symptoms/ flu-like, including fever, aches, cough
and shortness of breath.
They are hospitalzed (not sure what day) to Calvert Memorial
Hospital.
It has been stated by Dr Orlowski that the siblings arrived (at the
hospital) coughing blood.
Feb. 29

March

Mar.1 - Lou Ruth Blake, 81 years old, died. (In one report it was stated she
died at home, (I doubt this is true)
Mar. 2
Mar. 3
Mar.4
Mar.5 - Two of the siblings die;
The 56 year old daughter (at Calvert Memorial Hospital), and the 58
year old son (At the Medstar Washington hospital center, where he
had been transferred.) , both died (Mar 6 it is confirmed they died
from Influenza A.).
Mar.5 - Third daughter, 51, is transfered to and remains at Washington
Medstar Hospital Center in critical condition.
Mar.6 - Medstar Washington Hospital Center reports the son and daughter
who died in the hospital had Influenza A. Each also acquired a
serious staph infection.
Mar.6 - The health of the other daughter, 51 year old is improving, hospital
officials say. She also prove positive for Influenza A.
Mar.6 - The 81-year-old mother’s cause of death is still under investigation.
Mar.7
Mar.8
Mar.9
Mar.10


301 posted on 03/07/2012 6:50:07 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Maryland - 100s of birds crash onto Interstate 95 highway February 17, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RDO-o6O3SI&feature=related


302 posted on 03/07/2012 6:53:47 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

http://wdin.blogspot.com/

Greetings
Recently we were notified of approximately 80-100 starlings dead on I-95 near Laurel, MD.
Carcasses were taken to a state lab where trauma and hemorrhage were the only findings.

Additional birds were sent to the National Wildlife Health Center/ USGS - Madison, WI - and to
date - the only reported finding has been trauma.

No infectious disease was suspected based on gross necropsy. While additional diagnostic
tests were being performed last week, it is unlikely that a definitive reason for the birds flying
into traffic will be found. No other wildlife incidents were reported during that time.

A similar incident was reported in 1999 in Bowie on Rte 50 at the Bowie Airport. Starlings
reportedly flew into traffic at dusk and a few hundred were removed from the road. The National
Wildlife Health Center again found trauma as the cause of death, but did not have a reason for
the birds flying into traffic.

Will keep you informed if we learn more.
cpd


303 posted on 03/07/2012 7:05:06 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Commentary

Flu-like Death Cluster In Calvert County Maryland Grows
Recombinomics Commentary 18:30
March 6, 2012

These people that died apparently went downhill fast and started coughing up blood and then their organs were shutting down. From my understanding it all happened in a matter of 2 days from onset of symptoms. The 5th person is a funeral director that was in contact with the bodies, but I haven’t heard anymore on his condition but after he was in contact with the bodies he soon had a tightness in his chest and trouble breathing

The above comments are anecdotal and posted in response to one of several media reports which have cited 4-5 people who were hospitalized including 3-4 who have died with flu-like symptoms, including pneumonia. The cases are under investigation by health and criminal agencies. The fatality rate in the family appears to be in the 75-100% range, raising serious concerns.

Calvert County is adjacent to the Delmarva peninsula, which has a high poultry population, while the Chesapeake Bay region attracts wild birds. In Asia, clade 2.3.2.1 has expanded is geographical range via infections in wild birds, and this clade has been linked to fatal H5N1 infections, although not in a cluster as large as the one reported for Calvert County.

Similarly, the CDC reported a spike in H3N2 low reactors, but the relationship between these low reactors and seasonal or variant (H3N2v) isolates remains unclear. However, neither has been linked previous with a death cluster of this size. Recent discussions of H5N1 transmission have invoked bioterrorism, which may be the cause of the criminal investigation of a death cluster near Washington, DC.

More detail on the above anecdotal report, as well as symptoms and testing on the fatal cases, would be useful.

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/03061202/Flu_Calvert_MD_5.html


304 posted on 03/07/2012 7:08:14 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: ZX12R

We are all chicken littles here. Just watching very closely.


305 posted on 03/07/2012 7:10:52 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: PA Engineer; James Oscar

I will be too busy today to post on FR but here is the link to today’s “News Thread” on PFI, Niman’s commentaries are usually posted there as well. Yesterday’s thread had at least 3 IIRC. Pixie’s comments are well worth reading, too.

Today’s news:

http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=4822&sid=ce90098aec3408486fa70545204d8ff2

Yesterday’s news:

http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=4821&start=30&sid=ce90098aec3408486fa70545204d8ff2


306 posted on 03/07/2012 7:24:29 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah


Just your average flu - please move on nothing to see here.....
307 posted on 03/07/2012 7:58:24 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

5th Calvert family member at hospital

By Lena H. Sun, Wednesday, March 7, 11:00 AM

A fifth member of the Calvert County family stricken by serious lung infections and complications of flu is at MedStar Washington Hospital Center for evaluation, a spokeswoman said Wednesday. Three family members have died in the past week.

The newest person to come under medical attention is the sister of Lou Ruth Blake, 81. Blake died at her home in Lusby on March 1. The sister has a fever but does not appear to have other flulike symptoms, the spokeswoman said.

Blake’s son, 58, and one daughter, 56, died Monday after they were hospitalized with upper respiratory symptoms. They had been taking care of their mother.

A second daughter, 51, who had also been a caregiver, is improving and is likely to be moved out of intensive care some time Wednesday, according to hospital spokeswoman So Young Pak.

Hospital officials said tests confirmed that the siblings who died had a strain of the influenza A virus and each also acquired a serious staph infection before they were hospitalized. The two developed severe bacterial pneumonia, which is not uncommon in people infected with the flu virus. The flu virus weakens and damages the lungs, and infection develops when bacteria invade.

Calvert County health officials said in a statement Wednesday that the cases were isolated to a single family and “there are currently no other affected individuals.” They said local health-care providers are not reporting any significant increase in patients with flulike symptoms.

Calvert County health officials have also been testing inside Blake’s home to determine whether there are additional substances there that could have contributed to the illnesses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/5th-calvert-family-member-at-hospital/2012/03/07/gIQAYZYFxR_story.html


308 posted on 03/07/2012 11:16:06 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Commentary

Another Fatal H3 Case In Maryland?
Recombinomics Commentary 18:45
March 7, 2012

My 33 year old sister died on Tuesday morning in BWMC (old North Arundel) she got sick over the weekend was coughing up blood by Monday and died 4:30 am Tuesday. Hospital said it was pneumonia. but It happened so fast. sounds just like what these people had.

The above comments represent another anecdotal report on flu-like cases in the Washington DC area. The above fatal case (33F) was said to be at the Baltimore Washington Medical Center, just south of Baltimore, and was in response to comments on the Calvert County cluster, which has been H3 confirmed.

Although these comments are unconfirmed, the earlier description of the Calvert cluster coughing up blood was confirmed by subsequent media reports.

An earlier press release denies additional similar clusters, the above description appears to be a single case that was not part of a reported cluster.


http://smnewsnet.com/archives/10857


309 posted on 03/07/2012 11:28:59 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
An earlier press release denies additional similar clusters

Clusters. Cases?
310 posted on 03/07/2012 11:57:45 AM PST by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer
Clusters, localized group of cases. Death rate and speed on this is alarming.
311 posted on 03/07/2012 5:14:04 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: PA Engineer
Clusters, localized group of cases. Death rate and speed on this is alarming.
312 posted on 03/07/2012 5:14:23 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: PA Engineer

This case is an anecdotal report which has not been verified by any other source.

Always remember to take Dr. Niman’s commentaries with a grain of salt. He tends to be a bit dramatic. But he has been right a lot.


313 posted on 03/07/2012 5:25:13 PM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/07/maryland-flu-deaths-mysterious/

Looks like they are saying the sister of the old lady is infected and might have got it at the funeral.


314 posted on 03/07/2012 5:36:44 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf

Index case - Woman, 81, disease onset February 23, death at home March 1 - influenza not confirmed but highly suspected

Woman, 56, child of index case, disease onset February 28, died in hospital March 5 - seasonal influenza A/H3 confirmed + staph infection

Man, 58, child of index case, disease onset February 28, died in hospital March 5 - seasonal influenza A/H3 confirmed + staph infection

Woman, 51, child of index case hospitalized and recovering - seasonal influenza A/H3 confirmed, staph infection not confirmed

Woman - elderly, sister of index case hospitalized March 6 with fever - no diagnosis at this time

Sources:

CIDRAP report March 7


315 posted on 03/08/2012 6:37:10 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: CJ Wolf

Growing H3 Maryland Death Cluster Raises Concerns
Recombinomics Commentary 12:00
March 8, 2012

“We don’t yet know what this is about,” Orlowski said. “She has a fever and a cough. They were all together at a funeral last week. Individuals could easily have caught the flu–a large gathering of people, hugging, consoling, possibly sharing a meal.”

“If the individuals had the flu at that time it is quite likely that others are showing signs of the flu,” says Orlowski. ‘If I was in that family and felt ill, I would seek medical attention early.”

The above comments strongly suggest that the sister of the index case (81F) for the Calvert County, Maryland cluster is also infected by the H3 confirmed in her sister, nieces, and nephew. This case raises serious concerns about the Calvert County announcement of no new cases or clusters, which appears to be dependent on lab confirmation and thus, is ignoring symptomatic contacts, include the above hospitalized case.

Moreover, the above case has fever in cough, in contrast to media reports claiming that the only symptom upon hospitalization was fever.

Moreover, the funeral cited above is almost certainly the March 3 funeral (in Lusby) for a nephew, who was killed while falling a neighbor’s tree, also in Lusby. Thus, the transmission chain appears to be active, and new cases should be developing symptoms this week.

More information on cases under investigation would be useful, as would detail on the H3 testing (which has been withheld), including full sequences for all eight gene segments.


316 posted on 03/08/2012 6:38:05 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Here’s an obituary for a fourth fatality that is a relative of this cluster. Noting the date, his may be the funeral that the other victims attended.

Name:
BRIAN W. BUCK

Dates:
Birth date: March 25, 1961
Death date: February 25, 2012

Obituary:
Brian Winfred Buck, more affectionately known as “Jake” and “Bally”, was born on March 25, 1961 in Calvert County, Maryland to the late Frances Delores Stewart Buck and Nathaniel Buck, Sr. He peacefully departed this life on Saturday, February 25, 2012.

[snip]

Left to cherish many memories of his life are his two beautiful daughters and six grandchildren whom he deeply loved: Nadine (Jonah, Lynaijah, & Jamon), and Levina (JayVion, Kaniya & Merriyah), three brothers: Nathaniel, Jr. (Joyce), Steve (Mary Jane), and Levi (Felicia), three sisters: Robin (friend Stanley), Renea (Leroy), and Brenda (friend Kevin), three uncles: James, Richard, and Charles Buck, six aunts: Ruth Blake (now deceased), Beatrice, Louise, Patricia, Delores, and Mary Buck, Marnette and Lucille Stewart, and Emmalene Holland, a very special friend Catherine Stewart, along with a host of nieces, nephews, cousins and friends.

Visitation:
10:00 am to 11:00 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012 at Eastern UM Church 975 Eastern Church Road Lusby, MD 20657 (map/driving directions)

Service:
11:00 am on Saturday, March 3, 2012 at Eastern UM Church 975 Eastern Church Road Lusby, MD 20657 (map/driving directions)


Note: This man DID NOT die of flu. Nevertheless, it provides a clue as to whose funeral it could have been and the timing (and a fourth tragic death in the same extended family).

Calvert man crushed while cutting up tree

Published: February 26
A Calvert County man died Saturday afternoon when a root ball the size of a small car rolled onto him while he was cutting up a toppled tree, authorities said.

Brian W. Buck, 50, of Lusby was working on an oak tree that fell last August during Hurricane Irene, said Lt. Steve Jones of the Calvert County Sheriff’s Office. When a large log rolled into the hole where the tree once stood, Buck jumped into the hole to retrieve the log.


317 posted on 03/08/2012 6:44:25 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Maryland flu deaths mysterious

The Calvert County investigation into the flu deaths of 3 family members in Lusby, Maryland, found two of them–a 58 year-old brother and his 56-year-old-sister died of serious lung infections, a complication of seasonal flu.

The CDC already has confirmed the siblings died of influenza A. The strain is still unknown. Their 81-year-old mother, who was being cared for by her three children died at home Thursday of complications from the flu. The surviving sibling, a 51-year-old woman, remains in guarded condition at MedStar Washington Hospital Center in Washington, D.C., where she is responding to treatment.

Dr. David Rogers, Health Officer of Calvert County, says the investigation into the flu deaths of the three family members in Lusby, Maryland, is continuing. Rogers told CNN while unusual, these were isolated cases and the community at large should not be overly concerned or alarmed.

“This is extremely rare. I think what happened here is that we had an elderly woman who got flu, then she suffered a complication of flu, a severe bacterial pneumonia. Three kids came to provide bedside care and came in close contact. They may not only have caught flu from her but the serious lung infection that she had.”

Rogers said. “This is a very isolated situation where you have four people in a home, in close contact. This happens not infrequently in elderly people.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates 90% of seasonal flu related deaths and more than 60% of flu related hospitalizations in the United States each year are in people 65 or older.

The sister of the deceased 81-year old woman is now also being treated for flu like symptoms at MedStar Washington Hospital Center.

Dr. Janis Orlowski, Senior Vice President and Chief Medical Officer at MedStar Washington Hospital Center, says the woman was admitted last night and is in fair condition.

“We don’t yet know what this is about,” Orlowski said. “She has a fever and a cough. They were all together at a funeral last week. Individuals could easily have caught the flu–a large gathering of people, hugging, consoling, possibly sharing a meal.”

“If the individuals had the flu at that time it is quite likely that others are showing signs of the flu,” says Orlowski. ‘If I was in that family and felt ill, I would seek medical attention early.”

Orlowski also treated the brother, who passed away at the hospital Monday night.

She says the bacterial infection they had was a staphylococcal (staph) infection, which she calls a super infection. Cultures on the surviving sister are not back yet. The source of the staph is still unknown, but Orlowski says the bacteria is naturally on the body. On skin, in the nose. Most people, she says, don’t catch it from someone else.

“The question is did the mother have the staph where it went to the hands of the children and they got infected or did each end up becoming super infected with their own bacteria and we don’t know the answer to that. It’s likely we will never know.”

And rare enough that they looked for other sources.
“We did look for poison, carbon monoxide in the house, did they all ingest something?” Orlowski asks. “It’s astonishingly rare, such that we are all looking that other explanations.”

Orlowski says over the last several days the hospital emergency room filled with nearly 400 patients. Most had chronic illnesses like heart failure, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and liver disease made worse by a bout of flu.

“It’s flu season in the mid-Atlantic area so I urge the public to get vaccinated if you have not been, wash your hands, and if you are ill, don’t go to school or work. We don’t want you to spread the illness.”


318 posted on 03/08/2012 6:49:50 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
Well, it seems that we can at least conclude that we have not seen the end of this event yet. Isn't it being reported that all those getting infected are also getting some additional bacterial infection, and that the combination is the cause of death? That doesn't seem right to me, that they are ALL getting a secondary complication. And there are certainly other folks at these funerals, and yet it's another family member (#5) to get the virus?

Someone please clarify if I'm incorrect about this. I'm trying to keep up, but at work and swamped.
319 posted on 03/08/2012 6:51:26 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: ZX12R

There are only two still alive.

Woman, 51, child of index case hospitalized and recovering - seasonal influenza A/H3 confirmed, staph infection not confirmed

Woman - elderly, sister of index case hospitalized March 6 with fever - no diagnosis at this time (another report says being treated for flu symptoms)

above is what we have on those two.


320 posted on 03/08/2012 6:57:50 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
"When a large log rolled into the hole where the tree once stood, Buck jumped into the hole to retrieve the log ... [and] died Saturday afternoon when a root ball the size of a small car rolled onto him."

Oh, man, that image reminds me of the scene in "Run Silent, Run Deep" where, during a depth charge attack, the sailor is lying on the floor of the torpedo room and the torpedo rolls off its rack and falls on him.

I still have occasional nightmares of that scene ...


321 posted on 03/08/2012 7:06:36 AM PST by BlueLancer (KOMEN PINK: The color of the water in the basin after Pilate finished washing his hands)
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To: James Oscar

washington post indicates the sheriff office has removed bedding. How long does the CDC normally take to identify a flu strain?

Looks like one of the dead had a flu shot.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/5th-calvert-family-member-at-hospital/2012/03/07/gIQAYZYFxR_story.html


322 posted on 03/08/2012 8:15:44 PM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf

Ping to keep an eye on...


323 posted on 03/14/2012 10:36:26 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: PA Engineer; Domestic Church; potlatch; LibertyRocks; OwenKellogg; onyx; CJ Wolf; caww; redgolum; ..

By Amir Makar / Daily News Egypt March 15, 2012, 6:37 pm

“HIV is a phenomenon, not a disease,” said Kozman in his presentation, demonstrating that HIV sufferers in Egypt (whom he estimates to be at least 30,000) experience a trilogy of S’s: shame, stigma, and silence.

He warned of an impending catastrophe if no steps were made to increase awareness about STD’s and take proper measures to handle HIV spread.

Explaining the role played by Ashoka, Kozman said the organization taught him how to address the community, run an NGO, and particularly deal with the media and television.

The lattermost was extremely important. His NGO was “among the most attacked NGOs in Egypt … even more than those recently shutdown that advocated human rights,” especially when it came to revealing medical corruption and unjust treatment of HIV carriers.

Pregnant HIV carriers who went into labour, he continued, were referred to fever hospitals rather than ordinary delivery ones. Carriers were also rejected for treatment by ordinary doctors who feared the associated social stigma.

http://thedailynewsegypt.com/development/social-entrepreneurs-find-needed-guidance-at-ashoka.html


MA might not be far off target when she predicts Egypt as an early warning sign of HIV mutation.


324 posted on 03/17/2012 8:59:46 AM PDT by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
HHS weighs accepting men who have sex with men as blood donors

Obamacare may accelerate the whole thing.....

325 posted on 03/17/2012 9:56:33 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Joe,

This is insanity. What in the world are they thinking?


326 posted on 03/17/2012 10:34:40 AM PDT by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar
Calvert County is adjacent to the Delmarva peninsula, which has a high poultry population, while the Chesapeake Bay region attracts wild birds.

No, Calvert County is across the Chesapeake Bay from the Delmarva peninsula. It is next to St. Mary's County, across the Patuxent River.

327 posted on 03/17/2012 12:46:01 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: James Oscar
What in the world are they thinking?

Evil. (and the destruction of America)

328 posted on 03/17/2012 12:55:15 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: PA Engineer; Domestic Church; potlatch; LibertyRocks; OwenKellogg; onyx; CJ Wolf; caww; redgolum; ..

John Size, CTVNews.ca

Date: Sat. Mar. 31 2012 11:17 AM ET

A new strain of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in Saskatchewan may be the cause of an increase in AIDS-related deaths in the province, experts say.

A leading researcher at Vancouver’s Simon Fraser University said the new strain appears to be unique to Saskatchewan.

“It may mean there’s a highly fit virus that has evolved and is just working really well in moving through this population,” biologist Jamie Scott told CTV Saskatoon.

Experts aren’t sure what the new strain may mean for infected persons, but mortality rates in the province appear to be on the rise.

“Why are people dying so much from the virus here? People are advancing to AIDS and much more so than normal,” Scott said.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120331/HIV-Saskatchewan-AIDS-20120330/#ixzz1qk2nfpsU


329 posted on 03/31/2012 5:02:27 PM PDT by James Oscar
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To: blam

Thought you might be interested in the post above - because of MA’s prediction.


330 posted on 03/31/2012 5:04:39 PM PDT by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

331 posted on 03/31/2012 5:17:09 PM PDT by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Fast mutations explain why HIV is so dangerous

One of the ways by which viruses evade our immune system is mutation. They change parts of their genetic code, which results in small differences in the production of molecules that make up the ‘body’ of the virus. These changes often render the body ‘blind’ for the threat, because it is set to respond against predetermined molecular signatures. Scientists from MIT and Harvard have revealed that HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, undergoes several mutations in the first few weeks after infection. This may be the reason why HIV is so effective in destroying our bodily defences, and it is important information for vaccine development.

Mutations

After HIV enters the body, it undergoes several rapid mutations in order to evade immune cells that are out to destroy the virus. That is what the researchers discovered when they looked at the genetic code at different time points after infection. It appears that these rapid adaptations are required to keep the HIV infection steady, and allow for an efficient rate of reproduction, necessary for the pathogenic process in which the virus tries to maintain its presence in the body. It was already known that mutation poses one of the key successes for HIV, but a mechanism that reveals fast adaptations right after infection is new for us.
The molecular mechanism by which HIV infects a cell. Specific surface markers enable entry into the cell, whereafter the cellular machinery is hijacked to copy its genetic code.

Response

It appears that HIV has ways for a rapid response against whatever it is that the immune system is throwing at it. The scientists found that whenever the immune system had raised a bunch of cells able to recognize certain molecular signatures present on the viral surface, known as an epitope, HIV was able to change it. It means that the virus holds an extremely effective mechanism to escape from the immune system, by adapting as soon as our defences cooked up a way to destroy the virus. Because viral destruction is impossible without raising cells able to recognize something as foreign, our immune system is effectively blind.

http://betastuffs.blogspot.com/2012/...hiv-is-so.html


“Then again using air travel it continued in its march to geographical saturation until it now resides in over 30 million bodies - in every corner of the globe. Think of those 30 million poor souls as independent laboratories, each producing uncountable reproductions and mutations daily - with only one goal.

Q: And what would that goal be?

MA: To break out.

Q: You mean to be more virulent, don’t you?

MA: Yes, it has only one purpose, only one drive and only one effect - it kills human beings.

This bit of malevolent RNA has now colonized the planet earth and is working on a scale that you cannot imagine to move from host to host more efficiently. As it now exists, it is very difficult for it to pass from host to host. That being so, any mutation that allows it more access to a wider number of carriers will be highly beneficial to the organism and its relentless attack on our species.

Q: I can understand that. But it has not evolved in that arena yet, why do you believe that there is a likelihood of it becoming more transmittable?

MA: There are really not that many potential outcomes.

1. We find a way to kill it.
2. It continues to be a manageable chronic illness.
3. It becomes more virulent.”

Mother Abigail
NOVEMBER 26, 2010


332 posted on 03/31/2012 5:32:47 PM PDT by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

Thanks much.


333 posted on 03/31/2012 8:22:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: James Oscar

Thank you for the updates James. Not happy things to read, but I’d rather know what’s going on than not know.


334 posted on 04/01/2012 6:01:17 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: BipolarBob

ping


335 posted on 07/29/2012 7:49:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: James Oscar
Ping to this thread.
336 posted on 08/04/2012 9:41:09 PM PDT by PA Engineer ("We're not programs, Gerty, We're People")
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To: mdmathis6
Governments will become brutal and any pretenses of civil rights will disappear.

This would be likely if mortality were to be 5%-25%. However, should mortality go much higher than that, people will be much too busy surviving for government to be effective.

90% short-term mortality would result in wars within a generation as people try to occupy the vacant spaces. 99% short-term mortality will be near 100% in some areas. 99.9% short-term mortality would leave 7 million and make it a challenge for people to find people to have children.

Many more would starve/be killed by other pathogens/animals/other people. I strongly doubt species extinction, even at 99.9% short-term mortality, unless there is a second wave of nukes/biological weapons/other assorted insanity.

337 posted on 03/26/2014 2:09:38 PM PDT by bIlluminati (Who is Horatio Bunce?)
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To: PA Engineer; Smokin' Joe

Thought I would bump this old thread with Mother Abigal’s predictions and warnings. Although perhaps the warning is a bit too late now with Ebola on the loose in Nigeria.


338 posted on 07/27/2014 8:23:52 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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Thought I would bump this old thread with Mother Abigal’s predictions and warnings. Although perhaps the warning is a bit too late now with Ebola on the loose in Nigeria.

I keep this thread link in my Dashboard. Don't want to forget this one too.

PANDEMIC FLU INFORMATION FORUM
339 posted on 07/27/2014 9:00:21 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Ping to an oldie but goodie...

We had a thread called the Marburg Surveillance Thread, where everyone posted links to articles about an outbreak then.

I'm thinking it would be good to do the same with the current Ebola outbreak.

340 posted on 07/28/2014 12:58:58 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Thanks for the ping.


341 posted on 07/28/2014 8:51:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal elites want Mexicans to be a servant class that supplies cheap drugs and easy women and kids)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Here is an interesting thread posted by Kristinn:

Nigeria Ambassador, 58 Others Had Contact with Ebola Victim (plane passengers not included)

May want to ping others.
342 posted on 07/28/2014 4:56:27 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

Thanks!


343 posted on 07/28/2014 9:49:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: PA Engineer

Bump to current.


344 posted on 07/30/2014 6:11:30 PM PDT by arasina (Communism is EVIL. So there.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; James Oscar; Mother Abigail

I wonder where James Oscar and Mother Abigail are.


345 posted on 08/03/2014 5:47:02 AM PDT by OwenKellogg (Fundamental transformation leads to ... you don't want to go there, buddy.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Thought this old thread with the interview with “Mother Abigail” (disease expert) was pertinent again. Although she was concerned with HIV and Flu mutation, some of the same points are current today.

Excerpts:

MA: There is a colleague of mine who long ago wrote this famous phrase:

MOST SPECIES ARE SUBJECT TO CYCLES OF SUSTAINED GROWTH AND SUDDEN CALAMITY.

IT IS A RHYTHM AS OLD AS LIFE ITSELF.

Do you think that is accurate?

Q: I am not sure, I know that wild animals (when they loose their predators) multiply until starvation or hunters or something weeds them back down. Is that what you mean?

MA: Pretty much. Few, if any natural populations are constantly at equilibrium densities. Variation in the weather, predation, health and other environmental parameters results in great variability in populations.

In our discussion of rhythms or Chaos, I explained that Chaos is a set of rhythms that lie outside our normal perception. A nonlinear system will be chugging along with easily understood parameters, but often it will move to a “period doubling” phase and on to chaotic dynamics (which can be read as “all hell breaking loose” or “I can't tell what is going on).

MA: Which brings us to human population, which is following an exponential growth pattern. With the advent of modern medicine, better sanitation, and increased food supplies, the biggest constraints on population growth were removed.

Many people feel uncomfortable discussing this issue, but because I am very old and have spent a large part of my life in close contact with issues of disease and death - I do not have that reservation. Can you and I have that conversation?

Q: Yes of course.

MA: Would you like a drink first?

Q: Very much so....

MA: When we look at the potential outcomes for any event we are required as scientists to look at a broad spectrum of possible results.

That does not make us negative, nor does it leave us without recourse. It simply makes us prudent in our approach and honest in our work.

Would you agree?

Q: Yes

MA: Very well, lets you and I consider the novel H1N1 flu pandemic of 2009 in a larger context and see if there are any issues that are being overlooked.

Would you consider influenza to be the most threatening virus to us as a species?

Q: No, I would think Ebola or Marburg would be far more likely to do real damage.

MA: I believe I disagree. While Ebola and Marburg are very deadly bugs, they are rare and geographically contained.

Q: What about Reston [Virginia]?

MA: Yes, there was a huge potential for an outbreak in that situation, but even if Ebola Reston proved lethal to humans - the old tried and true measures of isolation, barrier nursing and containment would have prevailed. It is a matter of how easily the virus spreads.

Ebola is extremely deadly but difficult to catch. If you spend a lot of time butchering primates, then you have some serious infectious issues, but even then it is just not that easy to transmit.

The most common vector is actually preparing the dead.

MA: That is not to say that strange things couldn't happen and mutation or biological warfare or some nut job could really cause problems but it is largely just a very rare and distant medical oddity - no, Influenza is far more threatening than that.

Q: O.K. the flu is much more dangerous because of how easily it spreads.

MA: That and the introduction of new strains to a naive population can have devastating effects.

346 posted on 10/04/2014 11:09:51 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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You can find links to that interview thread, the Marburg Surveillance Project (threads 1 and 2) here, at post 1024 on the Ebola Surveillance Thread.

I hope that wherever she is, and whatever she is doing, Mother Abigail is doing well.

347 posted on 10/04/2014 11:46:57 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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I hope that wherever she is, and whatever she is doing, Mother Abigail is doing well.

Ditto.
348 posted on 10/05/2014 10:09:06 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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