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To: James Oscar

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MA: A recent article explains that a vaccine trial for HIV was stopped prematurely in September 2007 due to evidence that vaccinees may have been more susceptible to HIV infection than the placebo given control group.

This is very important - do you understand what I just said?

Q: Yes, they were trying to find a vaccine for AIDS and when the tried the experimental vaccine they had to stop the trials because the vaccinated subjects were acquiring AIDS faster than the control group. That not only seems Greek to me but a bit out of the way, as related to our discussion of the novel H1N1 virus.

MA: But it is central to our conversation. Some cells do not have the usual receptors on their surfaces that viruses use to gain entry. The antibodies bind to antibody Fc receptors that some of these cells have in their plasma membrane. The viruses then bind to the antigen binding site at the other end of the antibody - thus enhancing the infection.

So it is possible for antibodies to a virus to acctually enhance the ability of the virus to infect the host. That is why when you challange any host with either a virus or vaccine, you must be certain that the results are overwhelmingly positive. We must always look at the pitfalls that might appear in the very near future. It is kinda what they pay us for.

Q: OK, it's just that I don’t really get the problem yet. I understand that there is an inherent danger in giving new vaccines to large numbers of people. As you point out - sometimes these things can backfire. But do you really anticipate a problem with the flu vaccine - whatever that may be?

MA: No I don't, but as we started this conversation last summer - it is often the results that you do not plan for that are the most damaging.

Q: I don't understand?

MA: I did not expect you to - yet. We have discussed how influenza is spread, how it replicates, how it can be inhibited, , how vaccines are effective in preventing diseases in humans and animals and how some vaccines can have unintended consequences. We have spent some extra time on Neuraminidase, Glycosylation and SIAS. Now, we need to return our conversation to where we started on that hot summer day when I first met you. Is that OK with you?

Q: Good to go...

MA: When we first met last summer, we had a long conversation about the state of human evolution. How we as a species are doing in the big picture sort of thing. Because I am a bug doctor, my overall perspective is always going to be a bit skewed, and there is no denying that. However, let me ask you this. In the year since our conversation is there any development that alters your very steadfast opinion that, on balance, there are no real "game altering" factors on the horizon?

Q: MA, an asteroid could hit tomorrow, Russia might get pissed at the Chinese or the sun might send a toasty little flare our way. No one can know what might be.

MA: Well that is certainly true to a degree, but we make intelligent predictions every day on the future. When you buy a home, or sell some stock you are looking at future events and making an informed decision on the outlook for tomorrow. Wouldn't you agree?

Q: Well sure, to some degree. But, I know that you are speaking of a much larger evaluation with much greater consequences. And I am still not convinced that we can predict events on that scale.

34 posted on 12/14/2011 6:05:15 AM PST by James Oscar
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To: James Oscar

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MA: Very well.

Let's discuss what we do know for a bit, and see if we have any common ground in our worldview.

Q: Rock on....

MA: There is a collogue of mine who long ago wrote this famous phrase:

MOST SPECIES ARE SUBJECT TO CYCLES OF SUSTAINED GROWTH AND SUDDEN CALAMITY.
IT IS A RHYTHM AS OLD AS LIFE ITSELF.

Do you think that is accurate?

Q: I am not sure, I know that wild animals (when they loose their predators) multiply until starvation or hunters or something weeds them back down. Is that what you mean?

MA: Pretty much. Few, if any natural populations are constantly at equilibrium densities. Variation in the weather, predation, health and other environmental parameters results in great variability in populations.

In our discussion of rhythms or Chaos, I explained that Chaos is a set of rhythms that lie outside our normal perception. A nonlinear system will be chugging along with easily understood parameters, but often it will move to a "period doubling" phase and on to chaotic dynamics (which can be read as "all hell breaking loose" or "I can't tell what is going on).

MA: Which brings us to human population, which is following an exponential growth pattern. With the advent of modern medicine, better sanitation, and increased food supplies, the biggest constraints on population growth were removed.

Many people feel uncomfortable discussing this issue, but because I am very old and have spent a large part of my life in close contact with issues of disease and death - I do not have that reservation. Can you and I have that conversation?

Q: Yes of course.

MA: Would you like a drink first?

Q: Very much so....

MA: When we look at the potential outcomes for any event we are required as scientists to look at a broad spectrum of possible results.

That does not make us negative, nor does it leave us without recourse. It simply makes us prudent in our approach and honest in our work.

Would you agree?

Q: Yes

MA: Very well, lets you and I consider the novel H1N1 flu pandemic of 2009 in a larger context and see if there are any issues that are being overlooked.

Would you consider influenza to be the most threatening virus to us as a species?

35 posted on 12/14/2011 6:06:38 AM PST by James Oscar
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