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Ron Paul: Racism & the War on Drugs
CNN ^ | 12/20/2011 | CNN

Posted on 12/21/2011 6:31:32 PM PST by SteelTrap

Blacks are ~14% of the US population. Blacks are 56% of inmates convicted for drug violations, most are non-violent crimes.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: racism; ronpaul; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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To: SteelTrap

Wow me with your wit then, Paulbot.


101 posted on 12/22/2011 12:17:10 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Look at you! You can Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V with the best of them. Atta boy!


102 posted on 12/22/2011 12:19:20 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

Care to comment on #100, O Wise Liberaltarian ?


103 posted on 12/22/2011 12:21:54 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

still waiting on who you support? Name names Mr Hot Shot. Are you afraid? I smell something.


104 posted on 12/22/2011 12:23:42 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap; GeronL

oh, GeronL conflates the end of the world with RE-LEGALIZING recreational drug usage. To read his/her posts on the topic, rape, kiddie porn, murder, acne and hives will all skyrocket if so much as one doper, anywhere in the world, has one LEGAL toke on one joint. He/she’s hilarious that way, though I can’t tell if the humor’s intended or just a byproduct of his/her hyperventilating at the notion of self-ownership and self-responsibility... no matter, the result’s the same: more drug war insanity!


105 posted on 12/22/2011 12:29:33 AM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Did you bother to watch the vid that started this thread?


106 posted on 12/22/2011 12:30:02 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap; Absolutely Nobama

I alerted a pal of mine to the thread; and since you started the thread, your name was in the “to” box as well. Your reply to me was so full of bile that I wondered if you were perhaps wound up a bit too tightly and was kindly recommending some home remedies for stress and anger.

People can get heart disease and other ailments just from ill temper, you know.


107 posted on 12/22/2011 12:31:14 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: dcwusmc

Hello Mr/Mrs dcuwumc - I am a he and since I am up late, I’ll give you the short version. My vote to drug war supporters: Stuff it. With a capital S.


108 posted on 12/22/2011 12:37:13 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: little jeremiah

Sorry if I misconstrued-but since you replied publicly instead of privately, I’m betting you dont really mean it.


109 posted on 12/22/2011 12:43:39 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

The WOD is maintained the way it is to enrich the banks (money laundering) the politicians ($ from banks and the cartels) and therefore keep the prices high while playing that they are trying to stop drugs.

Here’s my plan:

Allow anyone to grow weed but only they can use it. No selling, no “giving”. Public caning for selling, increasing blows with each offense.

Same deal with poppies. Let people grow them for personal use.

All other drugs illegal. Sell - execution. Purchase or use (say meth) - public caning. Repeat offenses - execution.

Then anyone who wants to use weed or poppy products can get wasted. Price will drop so no point in risking severe punishment to sell.

Seal border and kill all drug cartel members found in the US. Let the US citizens have the use of National parks and forests again.

People may think it’s harsh but it will work, save taxpayers tons of money, starve whoever is making money with illegal drugs, and if a certain percentage of the US public want to be stupid, they can. Oh, and no welfare, FS, HUD, energy assistance, etc. So the people who want to be stupid with drugs will have to find a way to support themselves which does not include selling drugs.

Simple. Karma in action.


110 posted on 12/22/2011 12:44:38 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: SteelTrap

I’m actually serious. I’m an herbalist. Your jumping down my throat instantly reminded me of an angry dog. Anger poisons people from the inside out.


111 posted on 12/22/2011 12:46:27 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah

LJ - why in the hell did we ever disagree? I read your proposal and I am on board! This is what I’m talking about. How did we get so cross-ways? Oh yeah Ron Paul - well lets take him of of the picture. I am am on board the LJ train!


112 posted on 12/22/2011 12:55:31 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

You really oughta GFYS.


113 posted on 12/22/2011 12:56:08 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Ty AH. GFYIAW.


114 posted on 12/22/2011 1:08:40 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

Drunk.


115 posted on 12/22/2011 1:12:13 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Your wife’s panties ..in my glove box. Sorry. Just business.


116 posted on 12/22/2011 1:17:34 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

You’re a pissant little bully that cusses out women and probably beats children. Take your inadequate penis size issues somewhere else.


117 posted on 12/22/2011 1:18:56 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SteelTrap

we’re just friends


118 posted on 12/22/2011 1:19:07 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

No, you’re a jerk. No one you insulted here thinks it’s funny.


119 posted on 12/22/2011 1:21:14 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Pretty big words there vato. But I understand. You are compensating. Its ok. We are all in it together.


120 posted on 12/22/2011 1:23:34 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

I’m not in anything with an asshole like you.


121 posted on 12/22/2011 1:25:51 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

TigersEye - that is not nice. I could care less if you want to be Mr. Gay. Not that there is anything wrong with it. While I can respect your freedom to be very gay, I have a hard time reconciling it to reality.


122 posted on 12/22/2011 1:34:24 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

Keep your fantasies to yourself, pervert.


123 posted on 12/22/2011 1:36:06 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Good luck with your gayness sir. You should at least tell your wife about your affinity for the pp. We don’t judge you. At last as far as you know.


124 posted on 12/22/2011 1:48:42 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: SteelTrap

Is gay sex the only thing you have on your mind?


125 posted on 12/22/2011 1:50:32 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Let it out Tiger, I dont agree with your choice (evolutionism and all) but I’m not judging you.


126 posted on 12/22/2011 1:58:38 AM PST by SteelTrap
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To: All

The War on Drugs has caused more challenges to the Constitution than any other source. Freepers, it is being used to destroy the 2nd Amendment as well, as evidenced by the Fast and Furious debacle.

We as a nation have spent tens of billions on this War on the People and have nothing to show for it except a dismal rate of approval for all levels of government. Tens of thousands have died from its violence and there is NO END IN SIGHT. It is set to surpass the Cold War in length soon.

It may be distasteful but legalization and free distribution at clinics to adults is probably the only way to control this beast. Yes, drug addiction is ugly. But so are police raids where dogs, kids, vets, and old people are getting killed. So is the mood of this nation, who are convinced that gov is trampling all over the citizens rights.

If the gov legalizes it, they MUST control the market or nothing changes. Distribute it for free and people have a much less impetus to commit crimes to get money for their addiction. The cartels don’t need to slaughter tens of thousands of Mexicans over it. Drug gangs disappear. The militiarization of the police recedes. Individual rights reaffirmed. Quality of life for those who don’t abuse goes up. Some illegals who came her to flee the insanity go back home.

Can you live with this? The tradeoff is there will still be addiction and yes, it will be ugly and there will be overdose deaths involved. But those are choices made by adults. I don’t think it’s too much to demand from the gov that we be treated as adults.


127 posted on 12/22/2011 4:01:33 AM PST by Molon Labbie (Occupiers- The world is watching....and alternatively laughing and vomiting)
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To: Tzar

Don’t worry - In the New Year I’ll be happy to describe your parentage and mental capacities.

Have a resentful Kwanzaa and an hysterical Festivus, also.


128 posted on 12/22/2011 4:18:59 AM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: SteelTrap
If you join the military, you have to be prepared to serve under any President. Even the current one.

If you don't think you can follow orders given these extremely vague circumstances, the military isn't for you.

129 posted on 12/22/2011 5:22:44 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Tzar
On another note, how can anyone defend the legalization of addictive, mind altering, body destroying substances like crack?

The same way people can defend the legality of the worst drug on the face of the earth by far: alcohol.

Alcohol is an addictive, mind altering, body destroying substance, which causes more death, violence, and suffering than all illegal drugs combined.

It's the height of hypocrisy to legalize alcohol while making weed and other substances illegal.

Putting people in prison for posessing the wrong substance is not justice. People are responsible for their actions, whether influenced by illegal or legal drugs, and if they infringe on someone else's rights during the course of pursuing their bad habits, only then should criminality apply.

The powers granted to government by adherents to the Fascist Drug War are overtly Tyrannical, and have nothing whatsoever to do with Justice. This is why, in "the Land of the Free", there are more non-criminal citizens in prison than practically anywhere else in the world.

The Drug War is a Tyrannical bad joke which does nobody any good.

130 posted on 12/22/2011 9:00:19 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Tzar
I don’t want my next door neighbor smoking crack on his front step when I come home.

And maybe your neighbor doesn't want you drinking alcohol when he comes home. It's not his choice to make.

You are free to destroy your body or your life with alcohol, or any other drug, if you so choose. As long as you don't abuse your wife & children, or do violence to others, or drive intoxicated, etc., that's your prerogative.

It's not the State's job to put you in prison to protect you from yourself.

That is a Tyrant's job.

131 posted on 12/22/2011 9:04:37 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: dcwusmc

#105-

Of course I never said anything of the sort.


132 posted on 12/22/2011 9:13:38 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: SteelTrap

I don’t shill for candidates the way Paultards do. What difference does it make ?


135 posted on 12/22/2011 9:43:42 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: SteelTrap

I don’t shill for candidates the way Paultards do. What difference does it make ?


136 posted on 12/22/2011 9:43:59 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: little jeremiah

Funny, only anger makes me happy.....


137 posted on 12/22/2011 9:45:45 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: SteelTrap; TigersEye

Ahhhh.....more of that Paulbot logic......


138 posted on 12/22/2011 9:47:12 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Well, there’s a gulf of difference between anger properly directed and wrongly directed. One has a duty to be angry at evil, lies and so forth. If a person is not angry at what they should be angry at, it’s a killer in many ways. And not feeling anger at evil is also a great wrong.

We can see both ills at work, all over - wrongly directed anger, and lack of properly directed anger.


139 posted on 12/22/2011 10:08:16 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah
Allow anyone to grow weed but only they can use it. No selling, no “giving”.

Why no selling or giving? That restriction just keeps open a niche (albeit smaller than before) for black-market sellers.

140 posted on 12/22/2011 10:14:03 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Tzar
you just can’t compare alchohol and crack.

Making that comparison is cooking the books - a valid comparison would be between Everclear (the most concentrated form of alcohol) and crack (the most concentrated form of cocaine).

Anybody smoking crack is getting high as a kite

Do you doubt the same is true about anyone drinking Everclear?

141 posted on 12/22/2011 10:18:23 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Because I say so.

:-D

And I will not engage with you because you are a nasty little thing.


142 posted on 12/22/2011 10:25:58 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah
Why no selling or giving? That restriction just keeps open a niche (albeit smaller than before) for black-market sellers.

[...] I will not engage with you because you are a nasty little thing.

Running away and namecalling - yup, it's a Drug Warrior.

Thanks for the easy win.

143 posted on 12/22/2011 10:30:45 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Tzar
You have a point with regards to soft drugs. However, you just can’t compare alcohol and crack. Millions of people drink alcohol. Most don’t get drunk.

Many thousands of people smoke crack. Most (that's right, the vast majority, just as with alcohol) don't commit crimes.

When anybody commits an actual crime, either to support their bad habit, or as a result of engaging in their bad habit, then they are liable under the law.

Millions more people drink alcohol than smoke crack. In my experience, when you consider the abuse, murder, drunk driving, vehicular homicide, and violent crime which directly result from the use of the legal drug alcohol, it dwarfs the negative effects of all illegal drugs combined.

Neither crack users, heroin addicts, nor alcoholics deserve imprisonment simply for possessing or using a certain substance.

Contraband law is inherently Tyrannical, and always will be. The War on Drugs has nothing to do with justice. It's a hysterical overreaction, based largely on authoritarian propaganda, which does nothing to solve any of the underlying problems.

Prohibition does not work, with alcohol, guns, or anything else...

144 posted on 12/22/2011 10:34:01 AM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: Tzar
There are legal limits on how high the proof of an alcoholic drink can be.

In only 16 states. So do you support an end to federal drug laws?

People are more likely to get drunk on cheap liquor than fine wines, of course.

And the former is the right comparison to crack.

Most people who has consumed hard alcohol at some time in their lives are good citizens and taxpayers. Can you say the same for people who have smoked crack at some tIme in their life?

I doubt it's the case that nobody who once smoked crack is a good citizen and taxpayer (unless you define "good citizen" to exclude anyone who ever broke a law). And what of it? Should it be illegal to not be a good citizen and taxpayer?

147 posted on 12/22/2011 11:17:13 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Tzar
The only reason a crack user isn't committing crimes (other than smoking crack, which is a crime) is that he's getting enough money from the welfare office. Is that kind of dependency culture something libertarians want to encourage? Once we cut his welfare (in line with libertarian small government ideals), how do expect him to finance his addiction?

It's neither moral nor ficsally prudent to say we'll imprison ALL crack users because SOME of them have addictions they can't finance.

It's fine to say that people will be liable under the law, but what happens when the harm caused by addicts is irrepairable, such as when they commit murder while under the influence?

what happens when the harm caused by alcohol addicts is irreparable?

Certain things do need to be banned. Do you want your neighbor to own a tank or an antiaircraft gun or a nuclear missle?

Those can directly harm many other people at a stroke; crack directly harms only the user.

148 posted on 12/22/2011 11:22:52 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Tzar
Ending federal drug laws- perhaps that would work. The result would be the legalization of soft drugs in some states while hard drugs remained banned everywhere. I'm against all drug use but I could understand the 10th Ammendment argument with respect to soft drugs.

Are you saying the 10th Amendment reserves to the states the authority to legislate on "soft" drugs but not "hard" drugs? Where in the language of the Constitution do you find that?

Libertarianism relies on the assumption that people will be highly responsible.

No, it simply advocates that government not shield the irresponsible from the natural consequences of their irresponsibility.

The problem is that libertarian policies lead to societal degradation and degraded societies cannot support libertarian governments. After one generation of liberal drug policies, this country would be run by communists. So many people would be so reliant on the government

You assume that a large number of people would not only use drugs but use them to the point of inability to support themselves. Why should anyone believe that? Are there that many people who are deterred from drug use by its illegality, but who would not be deterred by the risk of addiction and degradation? Is illegality YOUR sole reason for not using drugs?

150 posted on 12/22/2011 12:12:35 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies
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