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Great New Ad Skewers Obama Arrogance in Rating Himself the 4th Best President Ever Video
Freedom's Lighthouse ^ | December 22, 2011 | Brian

Posted on 12/22/2011 3:04:51 PM PST by Federalist Patriot

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To: cowboyway
cowboyway: "My quote is accurate.
Perhaps you can provide a credible source to your 'terrorist' comment instead of your notoriously suspect memory."

I can't confirm your quote, but given what I know of Napolitano, it could be something he might say.
One reason I can believe it is because I heard him say, twice, that George Washington was called a "terrorist", and so I figure that Napolitano is generally prone to making historically inaccurate statements.

141 posted on 12/29/2011 5:18:05 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: central_va
central_va: "Why is that so hard for some to understand?
It is their inherit statist nature, the collective mentality, that won't let them understand, methinks."

Why is that so hard for some to understand -- that if you declare war on the United States, you will be defeated unconditionally, and no one will ever again pay serious attention to your claims of "states rights" to protect slavery, or your handwaving "statist" allegations.

central_va: "Now the Coven thinks Judge Napolitano is crazy. These guys....."

Napolitano is generally a good guy, but prone to historically inaccurate statements -- as are quite a few others, ahem, around here...

142 posted on 12/29/2011 5:29:04 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: cowboyway; central_va; donmeaker; Impy; rockrr
cowboyway: "I've been using Napolitano because he's not Southern and his facts are completely irrefutable.
You'll notice that brojoke attacked the man and not what he said; typical libtard tactic."

First, it's important to note that Napolitano is hightly respected among conservatives, but that he is prone to historical inaccuracies.

Second, the Napolitano material you quoted is not history, it's religion -- like the Apostles Creed among Christians, it represents the core foundation beliefs of our Lost Causer Religion: that secession was not about slavery, that the North started the war, etc., etc....

So we have debated all of these points, at huge length, across many threads.
Napolitano adding his voice to the chorus neither increases nor reduces the validity of Lost Causer arguments.

It's simply important to note that whatever value Napolitano has as a conservative and judge, as a historian he's, well, weak.

143 posted on 12/29/2011 5:45:08 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: cowboyway; Impy
impy: "I am, that's very interesting. Thanks.
cowboyway: Why the War was started "

Pro-Confederate Propaganda Central

144 posted on 12/29/2011 5:54:24 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
I, for one, would rather have Judge Napolitano on my side. Unreconstructed history is hard to find in the mainstream. We are fighting a 150 year old fairy tale and brainwashing facilitated by the martyred Lincoln.

The Judge acknowledges there are two sides to the story and it isn't CRAZY to discuss all sides instead of just the fairy tale version.

First, it's important to note that Napolitano is hightly respected among conservatives, but that he is prone to historical inaccuracies.

Please tell us, what are the inaccuracies?

145 posted on 12/29/2011 5:54:52 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Federalist Patriot
Obama's self-ranking is sincere, and reveals a LOT about his mind-set. He is black first, and an American second. Those four Presidents are all explicitly definied by what they did for blacks. Lincoln freed the slaves. FDR's New Deal cemented the Welfare State. LBJ's Great Society changed black culture and created the permanent dependent black underclass. Obama redirected more trillions towards blacks that the previous decades had, combined.

From the viewpoint of a black who simply wants "free" transfer payments, no obligations or responsibilities, no consequences for poor decision-making or bad acts, and wants to have no feelings of shame or regret for this lifestyle, those are the four greatest presidents ever. For them, Obama's statement is 100% correct... and that tells you much about who our President truly is inside.

146 posted on 12/29/2011 6:05:59 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: ml/nj; rockrr
ml/nj: "But when I began to search for what ended so many of the principles the Framers enunciated and put into our Founding documents, most of the time that search ended with Abraham Lincoln."

Then you were reading pro-Confederate propaganda, not real history.
Progressive Republicans and Democrats began to reform the United States about 100 years ago, with the income tax, direct election of Senators, Federal Reserve, and many other Federal-power-enhancing actions.

It's important to remember that from the time of President Washington to that of President Teddy Roosevelt, the Federal government consumed about 2% of the nation's GDP, more than that only to pay for wars.
President Wilson's Progressive Democrats increased it to 3% before the First World War.
Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal Democrats increased it to 10% during the Great Depression.
LBJ's Great Society Democrats began the rise to 15% (non-military) before our current President & Democrat Congress' increase to 20+% (plus 4% for military).

How much of that can be legitimately blamed on Abraham Lincoln?
Zero, zip, nada.

How much can be blamed on Republicans in general?
I say, maybe 10% of the growth in non-military spending.

How much can be blamed on Southern support for Progressive and New Deal spending programs?
Let's put it this way: did any of those programs pass with no Southern support?

I don't think so.

147 posted on 12/29/2011 6:22:36 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
One reason I can believe it is because I heard him say, twice, that George Washington was called a "terrorist",

Here's my link: Lincoln's War

Now, you put up some evidence to back up your leaky memory, otherwise, quit repeating what you can't prove.

148 posted on 12/29/2011 6:32:16 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: central_va
central_va: "The Judge acknowledges there are two sides to the story and it isn't CRAZY to discuss all sides instead of just the fairy tale version."

The quotes cowboyway provided us do not acknowledge "two sides to the story", rather, they assert as fact only the pro-Confederate Creed: that secession was not all about slavery, that the North started the war, etc.

As to what is, or is not, "CRAZY" -- for years now we have discussed, debated, argued or insulted our way through surely every item related to this subject.
Does that make us all "CRAZY"?

I don't think so, not all of us... ;-)

149 posted on 12/29/2011 6:40:26 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
but that he is prone to historical inaccuracies.

Provide evidence or retract your statement.

Napolitano material you quoted is not history, it's religion

Point out the non-historical material in this LINK, please, and provide credible references to back you up.

beliefs of our Lost Causer Religion: that secession was not about slavery, that the North started the war, etc., etc....

Actually, it points out the propaganda and mythology of your False Cause Religion: that the war was about slavery, that the South started the war, etc, etc.....

Napolitano adding his voice to the chorus

Then provide a detailed rebuttal. It's just that simple.

It's simply important to note that whatever value Napolitano has as a conservative and judge, as a historian he's, well, weak.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cheese-n-crackers, brojoke! Have you ever bothered to read any of the bilge that you've posted!?!?

You have absolutely NO credibility as a historian. Zero, zilch, nada.

But, because I'm a fair and balanced Reb, go the link that I've provided you, point out the weaknesses and back them up with credible references. Here's your chance to shine.

150 posted on 12/29/2011 6:48:21 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: BroJoeK
Pro-Confederate Propaganda Central

Rebut it and provide credible references for your rebuttal.

Put up or shut up.

151 posted on 12/29/2011 6:57:34 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: BroJoeK
The quotes cowboyway provided us do not acknowledge "two sides to the story",

That is correct. There's only one side; the right side. The Judge provides historical evidence of the 'right' side of the story. It just so happens that us Rebs were on the right side the entire time and will continue to be no matter how hard you neo-yank, False Cause Losers try to prove otherwise.

152 posted on 12/29/2011 7:05:11 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: BroJoeK
Then you were reading pro-Confederate propaganda, not real history. Progressive Republicans and Democrats began to reform the United States about 100 years ago, with the income tax, direct election of Senators, Federal Reserve, and many other Federal-power-enhancing actions.

Oh, please! Everything that contradicts your worldview is bogus I suppose. One of those pro-Confederates, I guess, must be James McPherson (and if you don't know who he is without Google, you should just be observing threads like this rather than commenting.) who is the one who quoted the Harvard Professor that I quoted earlier in this thread. And that other Ivy professor I referred to must be another pro-Confederate.

You need to understand that I am not pro-Confedracy. I am pro-Framers. You wail about the Federal Reserve which initially issued notes that were redeemable in gold but were not legal tender but seem to overlook "Honest Abe's" issue of Greenbacks which were not redeemable for anything but were legal tender. It certainly is true that there have been many additional Federal Power Grabs since Lincoln, but even you would have to admit that he started it, and he did so in a big and violent way.

ML/NJ

153 posted on 12/29/2011 7:07:39 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: cowboyway
cowboyway: "Here's my link: Lincoln's War

"Now, you put up some evidence to back up your leaky memory, otherwise, quit repeating what you can't prove."

You'll have to take it as my opinion, based on Napolitano's statements on radio years ago, that he has a less than scholarly approach to history.

This is well demonstrated in your link to Napolitano's book excerpt -- which is chock full of the kind of nonsense we've discussed and debated here over many threads and years.
His account is one-sided in the extreme, leaves out or glosses over most important facts, in order to make a case more favorable to Deep-South slave-holders.

So, I'd say that you can be pleased to have a voice as powerful as Napolitano's on your side, but I saw nothing new that he brought to our on-going debate.

154 posted on 12/29/2011 7:15:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: ml/nj
ml/nj: "You need to understand that I am not pro-Confedracy. I am pro-Framers."

Not true. You are pro-Confederacy and anti-Framers.

ml/nj: "It certainly is true that there have been many additional Federal Power Grabs since Lincoln, but even you would have to admit that he started it, and he did so in a big and violent way."

What Lincoln did as emergency measures during time of war ended when the war was over.

What Progressive Liberal Democrats, strongly supported by Southerners, began to do 100 years ago was use some of the Federal government's emergency war-time actions during peace-time.

Republican Lincoln is not to blame for the actions of Southern supported Progressive Democrats 50 years after Lincoln's death.

155 posted on 12/29/2011 7:26:34 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
You'll have to take it as my opinion

Most of your replies are nothing but your opinion. No facts. No references. No truth. Zero, zilch, nada.

which is chock full of the kind of nonsense we've discussed and debated here over many threads and years.

Here's you opportunity for a full rebuttal. Get crackin.

chirp.....chirp......chirp............................

His account is one-sided in the extreme

There is only one side and that's the right side. Your side isn't on it and, after 150 years of drinking the KoolAid, I can understand how disconcerting that must be for you.

leaves out or glosses over most important facts

Show us what he leaves out or glosses over or either express this as more of your 'opinion'.

in order to make a case more favorable to Deep-South slave-holders.

This is where you neo-yank, False Cause Losers stick your heads in the sand. That is what you want the truth to be because the federal government propaganda machine has been cranking that myth out for your gullible consumption for 150 years.

So, I'd say that you can be pleased to have a voice as powerful as Napolitano's on your side, but I saw nothing new that he brought to our on-going debate.

Provide a point by point rebuttal with credible references. Otherwise, either begin all of your relies with, "in my politically correct opinion" or stand down.

156 posted on 12/29/2011 8:03:55 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: BroJoeK

I had to chuckle at pokie and his “completely irrefutable” facts. What Napolitano offers is nothing but subjective opinion. Naturally he is welcome to it but it shows a disturbing lack of critical thinking on his part. I’ve seen better constructed arguments offered up right here at FreeRepublic.

Napolitano is a smart guy and I expected better from him than a lame “Linkum tricked us!” argument.


157 posted on 12/29/2011 8:11:49 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr
What Napolitano offers is nothing but subjective opinion.

What Napolitano punkrr/brojoke/the covern offers is nothing but subjective opinion.

Fixed it.

shows a disturbing lack of critical thinking on his part.

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! What would you/brojoke/the coven know about critical thinking?!?! You neo-yank False Cause Losers deal exclusively in lies, myths and politically correct revisionism whereas the Judge challenged your politically correct historical revisionism with facts and threw it right in your pasty faces. Stings, doesn't it.

Napolitano is a smart guy and I expected better from him than a lame “Linkum tricked us!” argument.

Feel free to provide a fully sourced, credibly referenced rebuttal. Hell, I'll even send the Judge an email and invite him to debate you right here on FR.

158 posted on 12/30/2011 9:30:03 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: BroJoeK
Republican Lincoln is not to blame for the actions of Southern supported Progressive Democrats 50 years after Lincoln's death.

disHonest Abe is totally to blame for the de facto repeal of the 10th Amendment and the slide towards a centralized, totalitarian government.

159 posted on 12/30/2011 9:35:43 AM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: ml/nj; cowboyway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPRc1pDPPSg


160 posted on 01/01/2012 6:17:50 AM PST by Idabilly (Tailpipes poppin, radios rockin, Country Boy Can Survive.)
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